For the first time in many many years, I am on the outside, looking in. I do not feel a part

[Ninga]

of this process.

God knows I am trying, but I just can not make a decision about who to support.

I am not accustomed to this.....and do not know how to behave.

I lurk in the forums but have absolutely no desire at all to participate.

All of the blabbing and arguing and sniping is going over my head and not making an impression on me.

I have lost my political edge and passion.

Maybe I'm just done and don't know it yet.

I am feeling so sad.


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[Ninga]

1. I am going to take comfort in a steaming mug of hot chocolate and wrap myself in a down comforter

and eat some cookies.

Maybe then, I will feel better.

Oh, woe is me. I guess I need to figure out how to stop feeling so sorry for myself....otherwise I will just end up being road kill....trucks rolling over me and passing me by.


:cry:

[balantz]

2. I'm with you.

I've just recently begun to post much of anything here at D.U.. I pretty much have given up on the GDP. I feel lost as a citizen.

I sure hope John holds off and is able to secure a top position with the nominee. Even if they are corrupt he can do some good. He may even line himself up for the future presidency.

The question is will "they" allow our radical John a position?

[catchnrelease]

3. Me too

Since John left the race, I keep trying to make a decision on who to support. I just can't do it. As soon as I think one is a little better than the other, I hear some new piece of info that makes me change my mind. I'm thankful that I was able to vote for John in the primary, and I suppose I'll just vote for whoever ends up as the nominee. But I'm really indifferent to it all, even knowing how important it is to get a Democrat elected.

As you said Ninga, I just have no passion for it anymore.:shrug:

[raincity_calling]

13. my feelings exactly

I guess I just plan to see who Edwards endorses and trust his judgement. I will assume that he has made a deal to be part of the administration and/or obtained concrete promises from the candidate that they will pursue part of John's platform.

[iris5426]

26. Me three.

[Lugnut]

4. I hear you.

I'm fed up with the whole process.

[ChiciB1]

16. I'm With You Too!! I Can't Imagine Edwards Leaning Toward Clinton...

Don't know where the information came from, perhaps the Walters interview... still Clinton is MY last pick!

Don't want Obama either... think he's too "centrist or even more to the Right" so I'm "cooked!"

Don't Endorese... Just Don't Endorse! Not for me to say I'm sure, but my "interest" in THIS election is almost at ZERO!!

[Lugnut]

34. And there it is.

Don't want Clinton. Don't want Obama. x(

[pamela]

5. I'm right there with you.

I'm not getting behind either one of the media darlings. It seems more like a reality tv show than an election.

I turned it off after John got voted off the island. :cry:

[flyarm]

6. i am with you there..i have even shut off the tv and won't listen anymore

to the bullshit..this was all planned and orchestrated by the MSM and they won't get my ratings any longer..

and i will say..i don't want either of these candidates..it is like chosing "worse or worse"..but the Obama people really piss me off..they are so rude and ingorant..i can not longer stand any of them..and i am having a very difficult time staying quiet..

who do they like??

i can tell you who they don't like..everyone who tells the truth!!

like Larry Johnson, Paul Krugman, Joe and Valerie Wilson , John Edwards..and the list goes one..like i said..who do they like?

They obviously have no respect for anyone most of us have respected for a long time..now they want to piss on anyone who doesn't eat at the alter of Obama..

and Hillary?..i just can't go there..but the Obama people piss me off so much she looks better by the day!!

at least i didn't see hillary cheat on the ground in Iowa..

but right now if i had to vote tommorrow..i would write in John Edwards name..

i would bet we have a high undervote number in November!!

I just don't know how i can hold my nose to vote for either of these two..

but for the first time in my life..i will not work for either of these two candidates and they won't get a dime of my money ..or support in any way from me.

i just don't give a shit anymore..i feel like my party has left me..and it is a lousy feeling..

i remember coming to Du and people respected each others opinions..now..post your opinion or your experience..and you are like shark bait..

no thanks..

well i have turned off the tv seem like it is time to turn off du as well..

so off i go...i need out of here for awhile.

fly

[chimpymustgo]

12. I have been thinking about posting this very thread in GDP - good people Obamatrons

have thrown under the bus for having the audacity to not kiss Obama's ass.

I completely share the feelings of others here. I feel so disengaged. I also have a sense of creepy disbelief that this is happening the way it is happening.

[raincity_calling]

14. Iowa

Sorry if I missed what happened in Iowa regarding the cheating. Can you tell me what you saw?

[ChiciB1]

17. You Just Said What I Feel! I Haven't Watched ANY MSM Since I

don't KNOW when. My daughter called me last night and she said it's the same for her. I used to be so involved but now am SOOOOOOOOOO turned off. I can't vote for anyone by Edwards unless something changes.

[saracat]

7. I truly can understand. It is so bad for me that !am having trouble campaigning for my own husband

I am having to force myself because I don't believe in my own Party anymore. I am supporting( I use the word loosely) Hillary now because she has John's health care plan and I really loathe the cult of Obama. I am full of rage and anger at what my party has become. It is dominated by imbeciles with no critical thinking skills who are supporting a cult like felon.
I am sure I will soon be welcome no where. Many have already expressed outrage at my opinions. It is very hard. Most of my friends and contacts are Democrats but I cannot support the Obamanation. And I too have lost my passion. I think it died when John suspended. I lost all me "hope". It doesn't matter anymore who is elected.The result would be the same. I had a fellow Dem tell me they might vote for the GOP as opposed to Obama and I couldn't give her a reason why she shouldn't.It probably won't matter. I feel very lost and alienated.

I am grateful I voted for John in the primary.It seems likely I will write his name in in the GE, though I know it won't count. I feel it won't count anyway.Anyhow, the Obamite have informed me many times this week that as a baby boomer and a woman and a caucasian, I don't count.I actually had a friend tell me I was the wrong "demographic" A friend, who is only slightly younger, almost a boomer and she is voting for Obama! I guess my voice is no longer wanted.But that is okay.I will survive. I will learn to adapt but I will never surrender my critical thinking and endorse Barack.

[flyarm]

11. i know many hard working dems who are the ones that always do the ground /grunt work for the dems

where i live ( in the south) ..who say they will vote for McCain..or no one if they are left with the choice of Obama or Hillary..this is what we have come down to folks..

i known of no white men here in the south that will vote for Obama or Hillary.

and don't think this isn't exactly why the MSM has decided these two for us!

and i was there on the ground on Iowa when college aged kids were bussed in to caucus..I will not vote for Obama..no way, no how..i will abstain..or write Edwards in..but iwill not vote for that cheater!

fly

[earth mom]

8. I'm so with everyone on this thread.

However, I just can't sit back and let the Obamanuts take over. They are the absolute worst! So I get my digs in when I can just to show em that they are clueless and mind controlled.

I'm NOT going to sell out. It's just not me, never has been, never will be.

I understand that some feel the pressure to do so, but I really think people should think long and hard before selling their souls to the devil like way too many have done here on DU.


:grouphug: to all on the Edwards forum!

[mac56]

9. yup

me too

:pals:

[MissDeeds]

10. I feel the same way

Politics has always been a passion for me, but it's dead now. I cannot get behind either of the two media selected front runners. They have been crammed down my throat to the point of barfing. Both are total political opportunists who value winning above all else. I don't trust either of them.

It's hard to even conjure up a little hope anymore. What's the point? It will all lead to nothing - we've been down that road too many times in the past seven years. Our Democratic leadership has failed us and I don't anticipate anything changing in the future.

[asdjrocky]

15. I know it sounds crazy, but right now I'm ok.

The only reason for that is that I'm getting involved on a local level as much as I can. It helps to keep busy. Right now its Bill Durston, Ca 3 and next week it will be Charlie Brown Ca 4.

[ChiciB1]

18. I Live In Florida In One Of The Worst Counties! Much Too Hard To Get

involved here. I tried so hard after the 2006 election to find out WHERE ALL THE VOTES went, and we kept having to donate more and more money and NOTHING happened.

Now it seems Congress HAS DECIDED that the election was FAIR! No WAY! I feel like I have a rope around my waist and I'm dragging rocks behind me!

[Two Americas]

20. same here

I agree, I am OK too.

Not happy about what has happened, but having clarity is more important than that. Once you can see things clearly, you can move forward.

The party has handed us a puzzle for which there is no solution. Why agonize over that?

[Two Americas]

19. tossed

Nothing wrong with you. We have been tossed.

Question, Ninga - why worry about whom to support? What does "support" mean?

I say that when you are given bad choices, don't choose. It is not as though anything will be effected by any of us choosing one of the two candidates, is it?

[Ninga]

21. Yep, tossed we are. I have thought all along that I would vote for Edwards in the Ohio

Primary. And I still will.

Thanks for your cheer...you are right.....bad choices the 2 of them.

[Two Americas]

22. energy sink

All of this "now whom do I support?" talk. It just robs us of energy and creativity - of life - not to mention dividing us. I think it was the intention of the party leadership to do this to us. We were becoming a threat to their power. Now we are moping around feeling sorry for ourselves, unable to communicate or get along anymore with each other, and debating just when and how we should grovel and crawl in the mud back to our abusers and kiss their boots.

We wait for some politician to lead us out of the wilderness. We should lead on this, and the way we lead is to break the chains, and the way we break the chains is to stop allowing everything we think, do, say, and feel be controlled by this insanity.

[balantz]

23. This is true.

I did have a period of mourning which is waning now for the most part.

I have learned more about where "I" stand in relation to these unfolding events and revelations.

The dangerous part is in taking a narrow, singular view-point and building a personal mythology of defeat. For instance, "I have been wronged and they all plot against me". That illusion goes nowhere. The whole story is never fully known, so buying a small part as reality is, well, unreal.

That doesn't mean "they" have not worked against us. The fascists are hard at work. It does mean we have to work for us, even harder than before.

We can always be thankful for new tools on how to proceed, no matter how difficult the tools were to acquire.

[Two Americas]

24. we are right

We are right, and we won. That is what the recent events tell us.

"We can always be thankful for new tools on how to proceed, no matter how difficult the tools were to acquire."

Yes, exactly. I have not been so encourqaged in a long time. We never could have won with the tools we were using. Better to know that than not. Now we are free to move on, and we don't have to sit around anymore wondering if we were right, nor waste time and energy on things and people we now know will never get us there.

Isn't everyone tired of being disappointed and frustrated?

[balantz]

25. It really is a liberating realization.

There are avenues that are plain to see will not work; and there are those that now appear before us as obvious approaches toward our common goal.

Make a list of what we cannot count on to be in our toolkit any longer and either discard them or modify our use of them if possible.

And make a list of what tools are there for us to use, some old ones...

And perhaps some new gems

[Two Americas]

27. let's ask Sam

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

"A true patriot would keep the attention of his fellow citizens awake to their grievances, and not allow them to rest ’til the causes of their just complaints are removed."

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires in the minds of men."

[balantz]

28. And Jack:

Now the trumpet summons us again - not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need; not as a call to battle, though embattled we are - but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation" - a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease, and war itself.

Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?

In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shank from this responsibility - I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavour will light our country and all who serve it -- and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country.

[pamela]

29. And Dorothy.

"Our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system." -Dorothy Day

[balantz]

30. There is accepting it as our fate,

and accepting it as our challenge to see "this filthy, rotten system" for what it is and continue to rise above it.

I know, it's not easy when the deck seems stacked against us.

We have everything to win, and everything to lose. Which road shall we choose?

[bobbolink]

31. Welcome to the outside. Some of us have been here for a lot of years,

with our noses pressed against the glass, trying to peek in...

Doesn't feel too good, does it?

[Seabiscuit]

32. You're in good company here. We're all devastated and disillusioned.

I went into such permanent shock when John Edwards bowed out that I can't even remember when it happened - week a go, two weeks ago, three weeks go? It seems like a very bleak eternity since it happened.

All we have left is damage control. A DLC member in Hillary vs. someone who's all fluff and no substance, and who comes across as naive, deceptive, vulnerable to attack and untrustworthy all at once. So we're left with who might be better able to battle the Repukes in the general election, not with someone we can believe in.

And yes, GD-Primaries has gone to hell in a handbasket during all of this.

But the feeling of being "on the outside, looking in" is hardly new to me. I've felt that way ever since the Supreme Court handed the 2000 election to the most evil bunch of idiot bandits this country has ever known. As a result I've been a "man without a country" for so long now that feeling alienated has almost become my comfort zone, out of nothing more than familiarity.

[Greylyn58]

33. I feel exactly the same

I go into the GD-P forum and half-way read some of the threads, but feel no urge to involve myself. The only feelings I have now is disgust at the ugly, mean-spiritedness filling that forum, especially from the Obama supporters.

Like you I feel sad and lost.

[flyarm]

35. i have made my decision...in the GE i will be writing John Edwards in..

i don't give a damn what anyone says to me..it is what i will be doing.

This dem party i have worked for, and loved has done this to us..they have..helped by the msm , chosen the two worse candidates we could ever have.

I can not vote for Hillary..and i will not vote for Obama..

My husband and i tried to watch CNN tonight about both candidates..and my husband said ..this is an absolute joke..are these two idiots the best the dem party can do?

i said ..no..they made the best get out.

well hubby said ..then we are damned fools if we let them do this ever again..so he said he will either write in John Edwards ..or he won't vote..

I said not voting accomplishes nothing..but that writing in our candidates name..it will go on the record.


A dear friend of mine in calif says she is writing in my name..but she won't vote for Hillary or Obama..she says it will go on record that i got one vote in California.
..and she is dead serious.

Even all my repub friends have said ..they were convinced by me for years now, that they would vote democratic for the first time..but they said now with Hillary and obama..they will vote for McCain..and believe me, they don't want to, but they can not stand our candidates...they would have voted for John Edwards.

what a sad day for our country..that we have to have the pop culture candidate and the retread..

i believe someone here was right..the dem party is afraid of us..so they sold us out..because they are all crooks..each and everyone of them has something to hide.


I will write in Vote for John Edwards in November.

fly

[MissDeeds]

36. I'm doing the same

It is like lighting a candle in the darkness.

[Plucketeer]

37. I'm with you.

I have to live with myself after all this hoopla is finished.

[balantz]

38. At this point I will be doing that in the general too.

I may change my mind later, but for now that is my conscience as well.

[bpeale]

39. the more i see of the interaction of obama & hillary, the more i am

inclined to write in John Edwards for President. let's bring some dignity back to the office!