I think it may be time to leave. I really can't take the Obamites.

[saracat]

I cannot vote for their candidate
and I cannot support the ignorance and viciousness that they exude. At the very least I am going to hide for a bit.The nastiness of their personal attacks as well as the lack of historical knowledge and critical thinking displayed is unacceptable.Yesterday the ease with with which they attacked Chelsea Clinton, for doing nothing except campaign for her mother was chilling. The opportunity they took to condemn Hillary for expressing concern for the fallen officer and their "rejoicing" at her cancellation of campaign appearances in order to spend time with the officers family was horrifying If these are the kind of voters the party wants , then they don't want me.

I am ashamed to be a Democrat. I truly am. It used to be that I was ashamed to be an American in Bush world.But I was not really ashamed to be an American because I was proud of my Democratic party. The Obama Bots have taken that away from me and I think I hate them for that more than anything.Thanks to them I have "NOTHING " to believe in. Hillary was not my first choice.The Party took my first choice, Edwards, away from me ,allegedly for the "good of the party". Heh. Now, they are attempting to take any opposition to Obama away. I am sickened.

If Obama gets the nod, it will be crooked, like his whole political career , and I hope they choke on the consequences.These "Dems for a Day" can attempt to run the party without any worker bees if that is the case. Many of us will not be working for their cause. Never in my entire life have I felt so strongly that a potential Dem nominee was "bad news".

I have repeatedly been "informed" by the "new wave " of voters that I am "not welcome" on DU because I refuse to vote against my own interests.All I can say is , if this is indeed true,(And it isn't pursuant to the rules, which they cannot comprehend, as they have already had the coronation they accused Hillary of orchestrating) I am pleased because I have no desire to be welcome in such a group as these people are.

[raincity_calling]

1. Their bully like style

reminds me so much of Republicans. I can't help but wonder if there really is a GOP lead "movement" to knock out the person they percieve to be the strongest candidate and leave the Dems with the person they percieve to be the weakest candidate against the GOP. They have done this numerous times in the past.

Here is a post that discusses this.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/16/143326/350

[Catchawave]

2. What's surprising, some long time DUers

are even behaving poorly.

[Greylyn58]

3. Sara, I feel your pain

I have been staying away from GD-P because of the overall nastiness exuding from every corner of that forum, but I have to agree with you that the pure hatefulness of the Obamites is just too much to stomach. Every perceived slight, or word, or phrase that they think someone says about their God gets you a virtual beating...which is the next best thing to a physical one. They have taken over DU and it is sickening.

I saw a trend toward this happening before Edwards dropped out. There were so many new people joining on DU with very low posting numbers attacking any and every John Edwards post. It became clear very quickly that the majority of them were Obama supporters. They were ugly and disgusting and it made my blood pressure rise whenever they tried to kamikaze the Edwards threads especially the ones that kept calling for Edwards to drop out.

God they were and are infuriating!! They do their candidate no credit even if I did like him(which I don't). I have been getting an extremely bad vibe from him for months and it continues to grow. I still don't know what I'll do come November. I'm still angry that the dumb-ass in charge of the Dem party here in North Carolina took it upon himself to remove John from the May primary ballots. So I can't even cast a vote for him as I had intended. :argh:

I have to admit, the thing I hate the most, is how many Edwards supporters joined the Obamites after John suspended his run. I haven't had a run in with any of them, but it did upset me how quickly some of them jumped to another campaign.

Please don't let the bastards running all over this site push you away from your friends here. I'm just glad we have the Edwards forum to come to and blow off steam. Please know we are always here to listen and understand.

[flyarm]

4. write John in..you have to be able to write in anyone you want!

but if your vote means beating the messiah obama..go for the beating!!..

fly

[Greylyn58]

7. Unfortunately....

write in votes don't count in NC primaries. I would really like to smack this smuck Meeks right on top of his pointy little head.

http://www.newsobserver.com/print/wednesday/city_state/story/926675.html

Really makes me mad. I sent him an email telling him how wrong it was...never heard back from him. Jerk!!

[waiting for hope]

6. Hey Greylyn58 -

I'm in Wilmington, :hi:! Can we write him in? I plan on it, but this I can't remember how it went in '04 - I know I voted Kerry (I think he had picked Edwards for VP by then). I'm also taking my camera in there too, taking a picture!

[Greylyn58]

8. As I said above

I guess we can write him in, it's just that the vote doesn't count. Thanks to this stupid Meeks fellow, who is the State Democratic Party Chairman.

He's a real smuck.

[flyarm]

5. i feel the same way Saracrat..i don't want either..but now ..blow me away..but

i find myself so repulsed by the emdia and the obama supporters..i can not stomach obama..i saw him cheat and steal votes in Iowa..and i can not get over that..as someone who has fought so hard in Florida to get our votes to count and to see one of our own cheat..just boldly cheat and the media watched it and didn;t say a fucking thing..i can't get over that..and i never will..

this second coming to the messiah is a damn cheat..and the media let him get away with it..and boldly let him get away with it.,.

and thes obama supporters are the most arrogant liars i have ever seen..

i will stay home before vote for that man.

i will write in Edwards if obama is the nominee..i can not do otherwise..i can not piss on every one of my values...and i won't.

fly

[onehandle]

9. I'll vote for the Democrat in the GE. I have to say this...

Obama supporters are the biggest bunch of self-important assholes in the history of DU.

[Qanisqineq]

10. LOL

I'm glad someone said it!

:rofl:

[onehandle]

12. I should have said some are. I didn't really mean all.

But the ones who are assholes have set the tone for the Obama's supporters at DU and few of them will step up and call them on it.

[AndyA]

11. It's true.

They are arrogant, pushy, disrespectful, and they don't even see the lack of depth in their candidate.

America had the chance to make real change - to get back on the right course - and lost it. America let the media and big money determine our next President.

But now that Edwards has suspended his campaign, we have only second best.

I will not be slow to point out that "your candidate - the one YOU promoted - is doing this..." You better believe I'm not going to let them forget it if Obama gets in office.

But I fear it will be McCain. Obama will not make it through the gauntlet the GOP is going to throw at him in the general. The GOP doesn't want to give up the power they've given themselves.

It's really very sad. :(

[Greylyn58]

24. I'm so glad someone said this

I will say, it's not all of them, but it's enough that I'm fed-up with all of them.

Something I've also been wanting to say about all of Obama's supporters...

I feel that the only reason he has gained in popularity and had so many people jump on his bandwagon--this is a terrible thing to say, but I truly believe that the majority of them are only interested in being part of electing the first African-American President. It doesn't matter what he stands for or what he wants to accomplish--they just want to be part of history.

I'm not trying to offend anyone and hope I haven't, I would have voted for him myself, but I just don't trust him or what he stands for. I've had a bad feeling for months and his recent actions have not change my opinion of him.

[spooky3]

25. They remind me of a small subset of supporters of a 2004 candidate

who shall go unnamed :-). But there are so many more bad-behavers supporting the O-team, maybe because Obama is doing so well--gotta jump on that train, and so on. And they are getting plenty of fan-like support from the corporate media, even from some media people many of us respect. I think that has disappointed and frustrated me as much as anything.

[kelligesq]

13. hate to say it, but this place

(not the Edwards thread) is no different than freeperville now, and I dont think they're going to leave.
I think it'll stay like the nasty vitiolic vicious place they've made it on
GD-P

[flyarm]

14. i believe you are right..they have rove'd du..it is roves wet dream..

i come less and less to du..and i refuse to go to Kos....but i am watching more movies..and sitting on the beach more..

i am done..

who would think some Ipods and a couple hundred bucks..would start a college age kid movement..one that will decide who our president is..all by kids who have never paid a damn bill in their lives!

fly

[Hermes Daughter]

17. "I will be just fine." - JRE

I think John would approve of sitting on the beach more. I think that's about all we can do - I wish I could; it's the only way to deal with it. I agree with Saracat. I miss the Edwards board, news, energy, hope... and feel I have no where to go. I really don't care much except that Hillary beat the Snake and, after the crashing defeat of Jan 30th, I don't even trust myself to care about that.

"...some Ipods and a couple hundred bucks" To me, these coddled kids are the archtypal clones of the Naderites in 2000. If it comes down to McCain and the Snake, I will probably vote Nader. It seems like a kind of poetic justice. I almost had a breakdown over him in 2000. Seems like turnabout is fair play.

I have never seen a candidate that disturbed me more. I can't put my finger on it. It's just awful and I would rather lose the White House than subject myself to a possible 8 years of some unseen and hideous lie.

[balantz]

19. I have been really troubled by him too.

There is something very shady, or there is a manufactured thing to Obama. And what gets me is what is not genuine to me is absolutely genuine to countless others. But therein lies a clue; the cult-like, blind acceptance, or even insistance that Obama is "THE ONE" who will bring us together and save America and restore everything we have lost is just plain lunacy. I feel like I am in another world where everyone around has dropped acid and I have been (thankfully) left out of the party. It is a lonely feeling, but I wouldn't trade the loneliness for the scary kool-aid. I like Edwards more than I have liked any other candidate in my adult life, but I would never insist that he is perfect or saintly. I was willing to uncomfortably overlook some of Edwards' shortcomings, but was always scrutinizing him to make sure he didn't slip from my high regard of him by showing lack in judgement, or showing any shady pretense. There are too many shortcomings about Obama for me to even begin to hold him in as high regard as I do Edwards.

[MissDeeds]

20. Great post

I agree completely, there is something "manufactured" about Obama and it is frightening. People are climbing onto the Obama bandwagon because of the aura of a messiah, the rhetoric of "hope" and "change", and the tent revival aspect of his entire campaign.

A few well placed, perhaps well paid swooners, and a movement was born. There is nothing to back up his candidacy. Nothing, and yet people are drunk with Obama euphoria.

[Two Americas]

15. yes

The candidates we have to choose from are a complete joke. Vote for the lesser of two evils if you must, as I no doubt will, as usual, BUT do all of the conversation need to be controlled by a never-ending "how are you going to vote" debate?

The choices are a joke AND we will vote for them. Nothing new there. Nothing very interesting, either.

The people yapping about how we must support Obama and we must vote Dem and the loyalty tests and unity and everything else don't really care about how any of us vote. They want to restrict the discussion and our thinking.

Every election cycle I hear people say "well OK I will get behind the Dem candidate just this one last time, but then after the election, well THEN we will really get to work, and how." Never happens.

We can't control the election process, but the damned thing does not have to take over our minds.

There is a built in trap in this - we are covertly being asked to accept some unspoken assumptions as true. We are being asked to accept that the only political action that means anything is voting. Yet voting is the LEAST powerful thing we do. We are being asked to accept that the choices we are offered represents the full range of possibilities. We are being asked to accept that there are earth-shaking differences between the two parties.

There is so much work to do. We can't afford to fritter away time and energy in the same old "does the Democratic party suck" discussions and the "OMG I just don't know WHO I will cast by vote for" hand-wringing and self-analysis.

If you want to know why we have the party we have today, just look at what we were doing last year and the year before and the year before. If you want to know what the party will be like tomorrow, look at what we are doing today.

[bobbolink]

16. No, I MUSTN'T..... I vowed in '04 to never again vote against my own interests,

for the least of two weavils.

I'm done.

Feels good, actually! :bounce:

Kinda like taking off the fetters...

[balantz]

18. In the last few months was my first experience of actually taking part

in helping to make change. Much more powerful than my lone little vote casting I have only known before was the real change I recently have taken part in by signing petitions, writing letters, emailing family and friends the links to petitions, making phone calls when I could. I was more a part of eruptions of movement in tangible numbers that seemed to actually have some effect in swaying decisions by declaring public opinion for issues.

[Two Americas]

23. the three mistakes

Who are we speaking to?

Whom are we speaking for?

What are we saying?

Those are the three questions we need to ask, and the three mistakes we make - wrong audience, wrong constituency, wrong message.

No audience, no constituency, no message. Talking to the same crowd, representing the interests of the same small constituency, and having no message that means anything to most people will always bring the same results, no matter how hard we work at it.

[Ninga]

22. We are both part of the problem and part of the solution. The question has always been to

the average joe, "how much effort do you want to expand in order to be a part of the solution."

We get what we get.


Dr. Cornell West, clearly said at Tavis Smiley's State of Black America Union event in New Orleans last week.

I support Obama up to his election, and will be his biggest critic aftwards.


Dr. West should not be alone in this effort......

[bpeale]

21. for god's sake, quit whining & checkout the edwards movement board

but quitting is not an option.

http://johnedwardsmovementcontin.smfforfree4.com/index.php