For those people wondering if JRE could have been pressured to drop out

[spooky3]

take a look at this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5258958&mesg_id=5258958

Does the Democratic leadership no longer believe in democracy?

[waiting for hope]

1. Ugly, isn't it?

I so want a third party - Progressive as a title would do very well.

[Catchawave]

2. Gravel just left the Dems and still running for Pres

as a Libertarian ! Just heard this on MSNBC, but missed the details of why, other than he no longer trusts the Dem Party. Hmmmmmm.

[flyarm]

3. he is not alone in no longer trusting the Dem party..i am done with the dem party

i will be changing my registration and i just got a DNC survey that i just wrote all over in Blue magic marker..that they will never get snother damn dime from me and that since they have not counted my vote for the primaries they will not get my vote in Nov or ever again. I will sit it out since they sat out my vote for the primary in Fla!

and i wrote on it..screw Dean and Pelosi ..i should have added Reid!

I wrote i will use all the money i would have given in the GE and to the dnc, and state FDP to getting them out of office!

Oh and i was a delegate for my state in 2004 and gave a boat load of money to the DNC and candidates..no more..i am done with the dem party..for what they did to Edwards and now Hillary.

i will never ever vote for Obama!

fly

[spooky3]

4. I just received a DNC solicitation

and I wrote, as politely as I could, about my concerns about the media reports suggesting that they are shutting down the process and that they need to work to find a way to maintain DNC authority without disenfranchising MI and FL voters or giving delegates to a candidate who didn't earn them. I told them I would not be renewing my membership or donating until they addressed these and other concerns I expressed. I think they need to hear from as many people as possible.

[bpeale]

5. i'm right there with you flyarm!

obama will never, and i repeat, never get my vote. and the dnc will never get another dime from me or mine. whatever i have to give will be given to john edwards or to the independent party or anyone who is willing to run against these assholes to unseat them.

I WILL NOT REWARD THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S BAD BEHAVIOR WITH A VOTE. THAT IS RIDICULOUS! I WILL VOTE MY OWN BEST INTERESTS, NOT A PARTY.

[bobbolink]

21. I'm voting for the country, not the party.

My best interests have NOT been served by this party for a lot of years, and that includes with Clinton.

:mad:

[bpeale]

6. maybe now i DO have someone to vote for

[flyarm]

7. i have a few friends in Calif who used to run the party out there that said

they are going to write my name in..if Obama is the nominee!

and they are damn serious!

I will not vote..at all , not even down ticket..i am that mad!

and many many dems i know who are Dem Exec committee people are saying the same thing here in Fla..they will not vote...they will sit home, not donate a dime and not participate...let the college kids give Dean the money..hahahahahahaha..and do all the work..excuse me while i spit all my coffee all over the key board laughing..

fly

[MissDeeds]

8. I'm sick to death of the party too, Fly

Like you, I write all over the stuff they send me in the mail (but with red magic marker) and send it back to them in their postage paid envelope. This faux Democratic Party bears absolutely no resemblance to the party I have loved and supported since my teens. Sure, the party has always had its problems, but at the end of the day, we could rely on it standing for the people and fighting for those who are overlooked by the DC bureaucrats. No more. The party, and the lame-ass candidates they selected for us, have lost me.

I am going to vote in the GE just so I can write John Edwards' name in. Their fetid tactics won't silence me and will not make me relinquish one of the few rights we have left.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[bpeale]

9. i'm voting John Edwards too!

[MissDeeds]

10. Yea!

To you, my friend!

:toast:

[spooky3]

11. I noticed that the mailing I received from DNC did not have a business reply envelope

You had to use your own stamp (which I did). This makes me think that a LOT of people have been doing what you did. But the DNC needs to get a clue. There are a lot of Edwards supporters and other Dems. who are very unhappy with what we are seeing and hearing.

[Hermes Daughter]

13. The Corporatist Party

I agree with Fly and MissDeeds. There is really only one party now -- the Corporatist Party. I will never get over losing Edwards and am sickened now by what they're doing to Hillary. The Rev Wright and Obama just walks la-dee-da off into the sunset. He sits there for 20 years listening to the man's hate-talk and yet Edwards is demonized for a haircut! To find myself agreeing with Newsmax and Rush Limbaugh about Wright (or anything) makes my skin crawl, but I do. And yet... this isn't the worst of what they've done. Think about Al Gore in 2000. Bob Somerby on the Daily Howler has been chronicling the MSM/Corporatist Dem monsters since 1999. The MSM, TPTB, the Supreme Court... all are to blame. We will never have an Edwards. They saw to that in 2004 as well as this year. What happened to this country? The two party system is gone, gone, gone.

What did I miss? Did the neocon Reaganites who built the Think Tanks take over both parties while we were sleeping? I think so!

[adnelson60087]

12. Actually, I think it was probably Howard Dean who forced out Edwards

and it is probably Howard Dean who is now regretting that move, especially as he sees the disaster looming over the horizon for the party.

[Hermes Daughter]

14. Another POV on Dean, etc.

I've said this here before. I don't think Edwards would listen to Dean, or respect him that much and I don't think Dean has that much clout in the party. He's a small man and no one listens to him. Compared to him, Edwards is a titan. So I don't give Dean that much credit. I actually think Gore may have had a hand in Edwards leaving.... He's got the authority, is close to JRE, and would have seen the train wreck coming -- that the fix was in. He'd want to spare Edwards for future service. Edwards is a giant with progressives now BECAUSE he got out.

The party? It's a joke! :silly: (Who knows that better than Gore?)

[adnelson60087]

15. Gore talked him out? Now that would be an interesting thought...

I wonder how such a conversation would go down?

[Hermes Daughter]

17. Delicately, passionately and with kindness...

Gore has vacationed on Figure Eight Island -- guard bridge, very secure -- where Edwards owns his beach house. I imagine they're closer than people realize. Edwards will follow in Gore's footsteps re poverty if he doesn't stay in politics. He can do for poverty what Gore is doing for the planet. They both have missions far greater than the presidency when you get right down to it. Gore knows it, Edwards knows it. Edwards' loss of "what might have been" was probably devastating to him and Elizabeth (as well as to us) but think about what it must have been like for Gore. Who better to counsel Edwards than Gore? Who better to get through to him? Who knew better what the party had become. Who better to save him from the demons that took over... in 2000. It's just a theory but I think Edwards disdain for the party establishment would have made him ignore them -- no matter what. Saracat has an interesting theory about threats to him and that's another way to look at it. But I prefer to think he left with a kinder prodding, painful though it must have been.

Tom Brokow referred to the "two superstars of the democratic party -- Al Gore and John Edwards." So that's what dropping out did for him. He's no longer an also-ran, he's a superstar. So in a funny way... WE WIN! :smoke: he, he...

Ever-in-Edwards,
H.D.

[balantz]

19. I like that line of thought.

Interesting.

It has a sensible sounding ring to it, as well as making me feel better about the whole thing.

[Hermes Daughter]

16. Re "Things are being done."

Creepy. Absolutely creepy. :scared:

Surely the Dem party has been infiltrated by the neocons. Let's me count the ways... Lie-berman was Obama's mentor in the senate, Obama campaigned for him against Ned Lamont and... ah, yes: Lie-berman got Obama the speaking gig at the 2004 convention. And now Lie-berman is off stumping for McCain. It makes perfect sense. What a plan! Long time coming. It's a win-win for Rove and the neocon elite. :grr:

[balantz]

18. I'll bet Lie-berman was pushed onto Gore as part of that fix too.

[Hermes Daughter]

22. That fits!

I didn't even think of that. What an unlikely duo those two made. Only some diabolical cabal could have engineered it. Good insight there!
:think:

[balantz]

23. Some ideas seem to pop up and fit into place like parts to a puzzle.

The idea that Lieberman was part of the plan to help keep Gore from winning the election in 2000 may not be true, but it does seem to make some sense. I wonder if anyone here remembers who in the Democratic Party might have taken part in the decision to choose him as Gore's running mate? I wasn't involved in politics then beyond voting like a good robot when the time came, and getting my information from the M$M.

[machka]

24. ...

...especially when you consider who Gore's second choice for VP was....

Anyway, if you check "Saving Graces", Elizabeth devotes a good part of a chapter to this sort of discussion....

[balantz]

25. I'm new to politics besides in the past merely plunking down my M$M informed vote.

Who was Gore's second choice?

I've never heard of "Saving Graces". I'll have to google that.

[balantz]

26. posted in wrong space

[balantz]

27. I heard that Kerry was Gore's second choice.

Certain political actions, and non-actions over the years makes me not have a lot of faith in Kerry either.

I see the book you are refering to is Elizabeth Edwards' book. I'll check my local library to see if I can find it there. I would like to read what she has to say about all of that.

[bobbolink]

20. So comforting to know that Harry couldn't stand up to the RW, but he can "do things"

to the Dems.

And we still have faith in our party????????????