So how y'all doing?

[rosesaylavee]

Not sure I am the only one who looks at this forum day after day looking for new posts.

Me, I am awaiting more information - about Gore's and Arnold's debate and have to admit that I would like to hear more explanation about that California episode with his staff person.

You?

[thetaoofterri]

1. I chosen Edwards just in case...

but I'm still waiting, too. And, yes, I check this group once every morning and once every afternoon for something new.

[rosesaylavee]

2. I have considered other candidates...

and find them lacking in one way or the other. I don't want to settle. Not unless there is absolutely no other choice. Not sure if writing him in is even an option. Would only do that in the primary and would of course support the dem candidate in the general election.

Frustrating month.

[peace frog]

42. Ditto

but I come back every day for a look-see. Good to know I'm not alone.

[Ladyinblack]

67. Quiet

You are not suppose to mention Edwards per Rosie whats her name.

I will not join you in this child like behavior Rosie whats your name after this.

[Pastiche423]

68. Pardon me?

Wasn't it YOU that started a thread in this, THE AL GORE forun, about wanting johnnyboy?

This group, like other candidate groups, are supporters of the candidate whose name is on the forum.

It is you that is displaying child like behavior.

[Nightjock]

3. Feeling betrayed

He knew all we wanted was a flat out "NO" like in 2003. HE KNEW THAT.
Instead he let people raise money and spend money trying to get him to run. He let us waste our time signing petitions, talking to people, ect. And than he has an underling tell the Draft Gore people to stop!!!

He didn't have to LIE TO ME to get me to pay attention and contribute money to his (our)global warming cause. He did not have to lead me (us) on. I did all that and still wanted him to run. Because he is the perfect person for the job!

I don't know what to think of him right now. The current mood I am feeling is he may not be as smart as I thought he was. The Presidency was HIS if he wanted it. The place where he could make the biggest changes that need to be made. It is that simple.

But despite me being ROYALLY PISSED I still can't even manage to change my picture of him to someone else....not yet...

That's how I'm doing.

[rosesaylavee]

9. I don't think the story is played out completely yet...

Maybe I have become totally delusional, but that's where I am at.

[peace frog]

43. The feeling of betrayal will pass in time

It's a natural progression in the mourning process. I survived it, you will too.

[Nightjock]

52. Thanks

[mopinko]

4. candidates must declare for write-in in illinois, other states.

otherwise, they are not counted. no one but the poll workers will know if you write it in. not that we don't find the write-ins interesting and sometimes amusing.
i still pine for al, and run into so many people who do, also.
i had an interesting evening last night. howard dean was in town for a big ticket fundraiser. there was also a book signing for jan schakosky's husband's book. one of the committeemen up here got howard to agree to a photo-op at his campaign hq, before the dinner. but there were not a whole lot of loose dems around. so i got a call.
woohoo. there were only about a dozen people there. i got an autograph on a button that i had done from howard's campaign. it was sort of the other side of a bush button that i had done. so i brought one of each, and while he was signing it, i slipped the pair in his pocket, and told him that was so he would get the joke. how cool is that?
so, i tell this story to say that there was another guy there that was on his was to the dinner who admired my i (pinetree) for al gore button. so i gave it to him. he put it on his lapel, right then and there. so, at least one person at that fancy dinner was representing al. hopefully those other 2 buttons gave him a little boost, too.
i check in every day, at least a couple times. i still want to here something more than that phone call shit. i got an email from the local group that copied it. it is just too weird that this whole thing could collapse on a phone call. where is dylan malone?

[rosesaylavee]

10. Yeah, where IS Dylan Malone?

If you can find his contact info, I'll call him.

VERY VERY cool you met our buddy Howard. I heart Howard. BUT I still pine for Al.

[SharonRB]

5. I'm still here everyday, too, Rose

I wish I knew when that forum was going to be held -- it would be something to look forward to.

For the time being, I think I've settled on voting for Dodd in our primary, which as it currently stands won't all of the candidates on the ballot. They may resolve that in the state legislature today, but then again, they may not. I'd say by the end of the week we should have a slightly clearer picture of the situation here.

[rosesaylavee]

11. Sorry Michigan is so furschimmelled (spelling?)

Dodd is a possibility for me. As is Kucinich. <sigh> Not making that decision yet. I may wait right up until our primary date for all I can tell from the way I am thinking today. I don't want to settle.

[SharonRB]

14. I have no idea how to spell it,

but you've certainly got the right word. I think they've passed the legislation now, but didn't make it take effect immediately, so it's kind of a moot point. I doubt they'll get the other names back on the ballot if we have the primary. I just wish they'd go back to our original caucus on February 9 plan and be done with it. People are really pissed.

[Andrea]

6. I'm still checking in every day

I feel confused and frustrated. I still don't understand how or why he could have decided to end this by a phone call from a staffer to one organization. It doesn't seem respectful of all that so many people had done. On the other hand, if he wanted to undo it, it could be easily done by having a staffer place a few calls.

I don't know yet who I am going to support. Everything seems to be in flux right now. I wish I could wait to file my papers for convention delegate until after the Iowa caucuses. I can't though, so I'll wait until the last minute to see how things are going. I'm hoping for some surprises in Iowa and NH.

I really wish I knew what was behind his (apparent) decision not to run.

If he does get in (I still have a trace of hope), I'll support him in a heartbeat.

[rosesaylavee]

12. Confused. Frustrated. Right there with ya.

Someone somewhere has the news... just waiting to hear what the heck happened to bring this all to a grinding halt. He told us to trust him. I do. It's a big decision and if he hasn't announced yet - I am sure it has something vitally to do with the climate crisis.

I just don't think its all played out yet.

[SharonRB]

15. I really think they let more than one group know

I'm hoping they were asked to stop the petition drive because Al is planning something else and this would have caused a problem for him. They were very specific in what they asked for -- no more petition drives to get on ballots and no more raising money being raised for these efforts, but they didn't say to completely shut down all draft efforts. It's was very mysterious and I'm going to trust him for now.

[rosesaylavee]

22. Actually, no, they let one person know and he spread the word.

[Uncle Joe]

7. I'm still hanging regardless. When does the Al Gore moderated debate take place?

At times I forget to check in here at the forum, spending most of my time on the big four.

Thanks for the thread, rosesaylavee.

[rosesaylavee]

8. Happy to see you Uncle Joe!

I have been avoiding the Big 4... can't stand the bickering some days. Other days can't stand the bad news.

[Uncle Joe]

13. Good to see you as well, rosesaylavee,

:hi:

Here is one good piece of news regarding Google going in to the alternative energy business, Al Gore is mentioned in the column as well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3080326&mesg_id=3080326

[Pastiche423]

16. Bless you (agnostically), rosesaylavee for starting this thread

I, too, come here every day.

Since the date of my state's primary means, like it did it 2004, my vote means diddly squat, I have moved my freak out date until the convention. lol

The December debate w/Al and Schwarzenegger on Climate Change will make a big impression on me if any of the candidates feel strongly enough about it and whether they have already fomented plans wrt to Climate Change.

I believe Al Gore is waiting on the same thing.

The only thing I absolutely will not do, is to vote for any candidate that voted for (or co-sponsored) the IWR.

[rosesaylavee]

17. Blessings on your head too! (agnostically)

I don't do anxious well. I am not sure when my drop dead date is or if I am going to even have one. I am feeling my heels digging in deeper every day and I know that that's not quite logical. Ok. Not logical at all. However, I don't much care at this point what other people think about my support for Gore. At this date in the campaign. I didn't think I could last this long back in March. Look at me now!

So other than Dennis and Barack, which other candidates didn't vote for that damn thing? Just in case I have to decide before February 5. I would like to see who else besides Gore thinks the climate crisis merits concern. Dodd does. Kucinich does. Not sure the others have anything other than talking points. Talking points ain't going to save the species.

[DesertRat]

19. I'm with you Pastiche423

NO more PRO-War candidates! I like Kucinich's message of "Strength Through Peace".

[DesertRat]

18. I check here for new posts everyday too

It's been heartbreaking, but I've finally come to the realization that Gore isn't running.

I've decided to support Dennis Kucinich for president. I am so tired for pro-war candidates!

I'm voting for peace.

[rosesaylavee]

20. See, that's the realization I am resisting.

Not logical. But there you have it. Not sure why. It is not logical. I have no reason to hope and yet still I do.

[DesertRat]

21. The reality has only hit me in the past few days

But I still can't bring myself to change my avatar.

[peace frog]

23. I reached the same sad, frustrating conclusion

late last month; my candidate, my president, was not going to run. Went through a period of mourning for a few weeks, cried and cursed and pouted, but now I'm resolved to support John Edwards in the primary. Don't look back.

[Pastiche423]

29. WOW

What an extreme choice.

[peace frog]

33. Edwards

is an extreme choice?

WOW.

[Pastiche423]

34. From Al Gore?

Of course he is. Al Gore is a man of many great accomplishments. He has integrity, vision and the fight to do what needs to be done to help save our planet. Above all, he is honest.

What has johnnyboy accomplished? Soon after he became senator (the one and only time he was elected to office) for the state I was living in, he began campaigning for president. He co-sponsored and voted for the IWR. Remember, the war that has killed almost 4,000 U.S. troops, severely maimed ten of thousands more and killing hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis?

He was a piss poor senator who ignored his constituents. He voted for the Patriot Act, Yucca Mtn, the bankruptcy bill, to exempt fuel refiners from liability, and voted against regulation of drinking water.

He is a former DLCer and a Bilderberger that told the San Francisco Chronicle he has no objection to the Justice Department's arresting patients.

He claims he went to work for a hedge fund to learn about poverty AND he built that humongous house, clear cutting thousands of trees while we are in the midst of Climate Change.

Yeah, I'd say that's extreme.

[peace frog]

35. Thanks for playing

It's been a real pleasure to astonish and confound you. Ya'll come back now, y'hear. :hi:

[Pastiche423]

37. I am neither astonished nor confounded

But you appear to be.

Everything I stated is a documented fact.

More documentation from the ADA's 2004 Congressional Voting Record:



It's amazing how many votes he couldn't bother to be present for.

[peace frog]

39. But of course you are

and I thank you for the great pleasure your confounding has afforded.

WOW.

[Pastiche423]

40. Stay in denial, while the facts are there in black and white for all to see

And if you would be so kind, take this to another forum.

This forum is about Al Gore not about a warmongering snake oil salesman.

[peace frog]

41. So sorry to disappoint you

but I'm here to stay. Feel free to read my other posts in this thread and others discussing Gore.

Now if you would be so kind, suspend your haughty, argumentative harangue.

[KoKo]

65. I still have a teeny hope. If there's no clear frontrunner....somehow he could be drafted.

It's probably a fantasy...so I don't want to get my hopes up. Not much that's positive happens in Bushworld and given the corporate control...it's not likely much will change. Still...it's good to hope for better.

[rosesaylavee]

66. Don't give up hope - there is too much

that needs to be answered yet. the story is not over. This is just the prelude I think to a run. The other candidates are really not offering very tough or effective stances on climate change - not the plan that Gore has proposed. He may yet run out of pure frustration with them.

[mak3cats]

24. I'm a twice a day girl, at least...

I'm a local committeeperson and we've just started talking about passing nominating petitions. I've already downloaded one for Al, just in case. (Funny - I'm usually a glass-half-empty type of person, but I'm having some real difficulty facing what I'm afraid to admit might be the fact that he won't run.)

[rosesaylavee]

27. When's New York's drop dead date for petitions?

[rodbailey]

30. The New York picture

I'm new to this so I may screw up a bit, but here goes.  New
York's drop dead date is Dec. 6.  I was involved in starting
to gather petition signatures to put Gore's name on the NY
primary ballot.  In fact, I was coordinating the effort in
Rochester, NY.  We were making substantial progress when the
word came down that Gore's "people" were
discouraging us from doing this because it would cause
"problems" for Gore.  Several of us in the NY effort
wanted to continue anyway and one of the folks coordinating
the effort for the whole state even tried to take a poll of
local organizers like myself to see if we should continue.  By
that time, with all the back and forth e-mails, etc., we had
lost almost a full week in the month allowed to collect
petition signatures.  So, essentially, the effort was stalled
and finally stopped.  The NY rules, as I understood them, were
that if we got enough signatures to get Gore's name on the
ballot, he would then have about 5 days to affirmatively
remove his name.  The "problems" that might have
caused Gore are still a bit of a mystery, but one possibility
is that he wanted to be totally "non-partisan" and
above the political fray until after the forum in NH in
December, plus a significant appearance sometime after that at
the meeting in Bali (I think I have that last correct).  For
those of us who don't want to give up on the man, there is
then hope that after those affairs where, presumably he would
have more credence if he appears not to be in the thick of a
presidential campaign, he might then get into the mix.  The
other possibility, of course, is that he is hoping for a
brokered convention at which he would appear as a compromise
candidate that the Obama and perhaps Edwards delegates could
get behind and thus defeat Hillary.  One final scenario, alas,
might be that he really doesn't want to run at all.  Thanks
for listening.

[Andrea]

32. Thanks, Rod

Although I try to follow everything related to Gore, I hadn't heard this idea that he wanted to be non-partisan until after the forum and the Bali conference.

I have wondered about the idea of a brokered convention and I just can't see that it would make sense if he wants to run to wait for that possibility. That puts everyone else in the driver's seat on his decision. It seems if he wants to run, he should run (strategically, of course), but if he waits until the convention, he would be counting on no clear winner emerging prior to the convention. While that may happen, it's not anything he would have any influence over so it's an extremely passive way to try to get in.

That said, IF there were a brokered convention, and IF he did then get in, I would be delighted. I just don't see that as a valid strategy. The desire to be at least nominally non-partisan until after Bali makes some sense to me, though.

Edited because I hit the submit button before I meant to (silly me).

[rosesaylavee]

38. Your post gives me hope!

A sliver of it - but I am grateful for the sliver!

Thanks -

AND a great big welcome to DU and the Gore forum! :hi:

[peace frog]

44. Interesting!

Thanks for sharing the NY skinny, Rod. I'll watch the efforts you mentioned with interest but not much hope.

[Pastiche423]

46. How did "Gore's people" contact you?

Was it in writing? Was it signed? Who signed it?

In constantly watching all of the Al Gores sites that I know about, there has been mention of only one group, the California for Al Gore that got a call supposedly from an Al Gore staffer. No name of any staffer has been made public.

Btw, thank you for your informative post and welcome.

[rodbailey]

47. The "Gore people" Thing

The story, as I know it (and you've got the CA part right) is that the CA organizer (Roy Gayhart, I think his name is) called Gore's office to ask a question about something (I think it might have been to see if they could get some $$ support for their efforts). Presumably, Gore's person who took the call said he/she knew nothing about these efforts going on around the country (CA, MA, NY, NH, etc.) and told the CA guy that Gore wanted to "discourage" any such efforts. Apparently this phone call was then followed up with an e-mail to the CA group. As I understand the sequence of events, the CA organizer (who was nationally working through/with the algore.org group) passed that e-mail along to the people in charge of the algore.org web site and they, in turn sent it out to all regional and local organizers (like myself). It is a strange manifestation of this web-age that such an "order" from a volunteer coordinator of a web site would/could shut down all the petition activity in the states carrying on such activity in an instant, but that, basically, was the result. In retrospect, I'm still sort of have two minds on this - on the one hand I think we should have just carried on and tried to gather the signatures we needed (here in Rochester we had a good chance of having anywhere from 500-800 of the state-wide total of 5000 that were needed); on the other hand, as I learned more about the appearances that Gore would be making in December at which he wanted to be non-partisan, I could see the kinds of problems (if he wanted to get into the race at some point) that would ensue if he had to officially take his name off the NY ballot by Dec. 10 in order to stay non-partisan. Such an activity would have indicated to all of us that he really was out of the race. Soooo, if you want to read the tea leaves the way I do, you could say that this early non-partisan activity was a way to clearly leave the door open to get into the thick of things once Dec. has passed with his various conferences. I'm not sure what kind of dates some of the Feb. 5 states having primaries have for "late" filing to get on the ballot. And, I'm really wondering if Iowa folks can vote for him in the caucuses if he is not a declared candidate by Jan. 3. Anyone know the answer to that?

[Andrea]

51. thanks again, Rod

I appreciate this additional detail regarding the "shut down" which is more than I had seen anywhere.

Your post brings up a huge question for me. Maybe you know something about this or you and others could give your informed speculations.

You said, "Presumably, Gore's person who took the call said he/she knew nothing about these efforts going on around the country ..." Do you believe that? I find that incredibly hard to believe. First, it just makes sense for the staff of a public figure to keep tabs on all activity and press regarding said figure. This was hardly a secret - The New York Times ad and dozens of other press items I won't waste time listing saw to that. Second, there was a post some time shortly before the "shut down" - I think within a week before - wherein someone mentioned that he was working an event in CA gathering signatures that Gore attended. When Gore left the event, he walked by, and said, "Thank you." So, the man himself clearly knew and if anyone on his staff didn't know, they must have been purposely avoiding knowing.

So, why would the staff member indicate or leave someone to believe they didn't know?

I realize this is third hand and maybe the staff member didn't indicate that, but in a way it follows. Otherwise, why tell them to stop then? At that moment, in that phone call? Was it an opportunity to act like it just came to their attention and he didn't want it? Then again, if it was new information, wouldn't the staff member have first consulted with higher ups, or Gore himself, before telling them to stand down? What prompted someone to tell the organizers to stop when they did? I just don't get it. The whole nuts and bolts of how this happened is not making sense to me. Clearly, we don't know everything. I think we barely know anything.

As I said earlier up-thread, though, if Gore didn't really want us to stop, he could have used back channels to get the message out we weren't meant to stop.

I really wish I understood this whole thing. Maybe someday.

[rodbailey]

54. You're right

Yes, it makes no sense that Gore's people didn't know what was going on. In fact, just a week earlier we had gotten the encouraging news (again from the algore.org volunteer coordinator) that someone close to the Gore camp (but presumably not on his staff) said quite clearly that Gore's people knew what was going on and gave no indications that they wanted anyone to stop what they were doing. Assuming the last communication - the one from someone on Gore's staff - really said what we were told it said could mean that this forum in NH, the Bali conference, and Gore's going to get the Nobel in Dec. caused Gore or others to re-evaluate whether they wanted to have to deal with states getting his name on the ballot and then having to take his name off so he appeared non-partisan in these meetings. As I said before (I think) such an action (i.e., actively taking his name off a state ballot) would be as close to a Shermanesque statement as he could make and would really shut down any chance for him to get in the race later. I am going to be watching real closely come mid- to late-December when all these events are over to see if Gore makes any move to get his name into the mix for primaries coming up later. I have no idea what some of the filing deadlines are for the states in the super Tuesday (Feb. 5) primaries, for instance. And, there will be another batch after that. I'm still keeping my hopes up. In the meantime, as I mentioned in another reply, keep your eyes on NH for their Jan. 8 primary.

[rosesaylavee]

56. Well put... "...I think we barely know anything."

That's what keeps me going... until I hear for certain that he will not run.

[Pastiche423]

53. O-kay, here's the deal...

kinda sorta maybe.

Al and Arnuld are planning a Climate Change debate in December. Until that debate has happened, Al needs to appear as a non candidate. The date, location and who will air has yet to be set.

Al has told us to trust him. I do trust him, but I don't want his decision to be that he is not going to run. Especially since I no longer hace a candidate to fall back on.

ACK!

Thanks again for your detailed post.

[lildreamer316]

25. As is obvious from my "crazy" posts, I'm here more often than not.

I just...can't let it go, yet.

Why post position pieces if you are not running? No one was asking for them. He could have posted more info about how to be green, or how to pressure our government into working on the problem.

I read the Rolling Stone article last night, which just left me even more confused.

Something is going on. I just have no idea what.

[rosesaylavee]

26. Right there with you...

I smell a story with all this. It's not usual professional behavior. Not saying he and or his staff is not professional but I smell a double bind scenario.

AND you are right about the positions. Why post them if you are not running? Why have one staff person speak with one person with no official document to pass around, no press release? It seems like its wide open to interpretation to me.

I need the message to be black and white. Deal or no deal.

[mopinko]

28. agree 100%

so many people begging, crying, hoping. still. it just ain't right, i tell ya. al has better manners than this.

[thetaoofterri]

31. This is why I refuse to give up hope...

or continue to just be an idiot about this whole thing. I just think somebody knows more than they are saying. People are continually throw out little teaser tidbits, like here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=260x2500

and because I still hold out on a some small hope that Gore will enter the race at some point, I bite -- big time! It is very frustrating. I wish people would just stop throwing stuff out there, reading things into situations or even talking about Gore! This includes me! Stop, stop, stop, please, so I can just move on to my "just in case he doesn't run" candidate and fully support him.

Okay, I'm done now.

[peace frog]

36. It won't stop anytime soon

so you might as well find a candidate to your liking and start supporting him/her now. If Gore was going to run, I'm certain he would have declared his intentions by now.

The only way to move on is to let go and move forward in a new direction. Worked for me, and I was truly despondent when it became clear my first choice was not going to run, but no longer. Best wishes to you. :thumbsup:

[catbyte]

50. Problem

See, that's the problem. I can't find a candidate to my liking. There's something wrong with every one of them. I'm not hopeful about Gore, but I just can't support anyone else at this time, which is why I'm voting "undecided" in the screwed-up Michigan Primary. What a clusterf**k that is. I don't know what they all were thinking.

Anyway, congratulations for moving on, but I just can't yet. It's still a year from the elections, so there's time. For now, I'm keeping my "Hey Al, that Oscar would look great in the Oval Office" bumper sticker on my car!

Diane:banghead:

[peace frog]

55. Understandable

and good luck with the Michigan Primary (UGH!) Love the bumper sticker!

[rosesaylavee]

45. then you may not want to read this...

(Ok, yes you will. :) )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=260&topic_id=2469&mesg_id=2499

[thetaoofterri]

48. I did read it

and I just can't let go. Here's why - I just don't think there is a "whole" candidate out there yet. By that I mean one that represents the whole picture for me. Even though my "just in case candidate" is Edwards, he still doesn't fully represent what I think this country needs right now and neither do the other candidates. I don't think Obama has enough experience. Hillary scares the hell out of me (very weird, because Bill didn't). Kucinich talks the kind of talk I like to hear, but I don't think he's electable. And, I don't think Biden or Dodd have a chance either. That's just my opinion.

The only money I have contributed to a campaign so far is the 2 cents I sent with my letter to Gore. I'm ready to contribute when I finally fully support a candidate. I want it to be Gore. I want it to be Gore. I want it to be Gore! :bounce:

[rodbailey]

49. One place the money can go

IF, and I realize it's a big if, you do want to contribute a bit to help the Gore effort, get in touch with Farrell at [e-mail]. He is organizing what I think is a significant effort in NH. I'll let him explain the details to you if you contact him. I sent them $100 a while ago and expect to be in NH from Jan. 2-8 (their primary date) helping in the effort there. There is also going to be a global climate change forum there somewhere around the middle of December with Gore and Schwarzenegger in charge, trying to get all the candidates to participate (date not certain yet) and I may go over there for that also. They can use all the $$ and people on the ground they can get. I have no vested interest in what they are doing, other than it appears to be the only active effort at this point to get Gore into the race.

[thetaoofterri]

63. Thanks

I think I will do that. I cannot contribute any ground time, but I can contribute funds.

[rodbailey]

64. $$ for NH

You can donate directly through an ActBlue site if you want: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/entity/18577. My contact in NH has promised that if they get enough $$ in hand, I won't have to sleep under a leaky bridge in a cardboard box when I go over there to help in Jan. Actually, just kidding, I'll finance my own way if they don't have host families ready to house volunteers. There's no profit in any of this for me, other than trying to get a Dem. candidate that will be really good for the country, and might be the only Dem. who will keep us from 4 years of Rudy or that creationist, Huckabee.

[marlakay]

57. Only check twice a week now

I have already gone through the anger period and now I have moved on to the I don't care about anything period. I feel like all politics now is full of phony people and lies and I am sick of it. This is kind of the same feeling I went through after Bush took over both times. First anger then a general disgust at the whole business.

Like others I have been confused and wondering about Gore, if he is the person I thought he was how could he let it get like this to his people?? He is definitely not stupid and totally must know how upset we are and so when I watch him go on stage after stage to get yet more awards I am almost angry at his smiling face...

I just wish I knew what he is really thinking....like I don't want to run because then I would win and the congress is so screwed up I would be a do nothing pres...I wonder if he thinks that...or the media is so fucked up they will take all the good I have done and smother it with dung...

I have many thoughts that go around in my head but lately I have just been numb and don't think about it at all, I find that is the best place. To just be like the mindless non voting public...

My daughter called me the other night watching the debate and asked if I was watching. I laughed and told her with Gore out, I am out. No one else stirs me.

[rosesaylavee]

58. Been there... and its a difficult place.

All that I can think is, if he is the person I think he is, there is a good reason for this pull back from petition gathering. I don't think he's abandoned us... he said to trust him. I am. I am willing to give him a few months more to see what shakes out. I am keeping my bumper sticker - Gore: A New Vision for 2008. As lildreamer said upthread - why else would he post positions on topics not related to climate change? My heels are dug in and I am waiting a little longer.

I still like your avatar.

[NastyDiaper]

59. Still Have the Gore sticker on my car.

But it's more to announce where I stand thatn in any expectation.

Primaries:

I'm for Dodd. But am hoping that Obama/Edwards/Richardson will be within striking distance when it comes time to punch.

[rosesaylavee]

60. I have mine on still too.

It may stay on there until the car stops working. I haven't put a bumper sticker on my car before. Any car I have owned.

[SharonRB]

61. Mine's still in my back window

It will be on there until I get my smart car in the spring.

[rosesaylavee]

62. I'd like to get one of those...

but unfortunately, have to keep my dumb car until it stops running. :)