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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:01 PM
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Politician sues state over atheist sign/Republican Politician Claims Atheist Sign Is 'Hate Speech'
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 10:04 PM by Synnical
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bar-tender/2010/02/politician-sues-state-over-atheist-sign.html and

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/01/24232.htm

CHICAGO (CN) - A candidate for Illinois Comptroller has sued the state for allowing an atheist group to post a sign alongside the religious holiday displays in the State Capitol. William Kelly, a Republican, claims Capitol Police unjustly "detained (him) and escorted him from the building" because he turned the atheists' sign face down. Kelly calls the sign "hate speech.

Kelly's federal complaint against the Illinois Secretary of State claims: "In December 2009, a sign was placed in the Capitol Building, approved by the Defendant, that read as follows:
"At the time of the winter solstice, let reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is just a myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

Kelly's complaint does not object to the several holiday displays "celebrating various observances" in the State Capitol. He objects only to the atheists' sign, which, he says, stood near a Nativity scene and next to a decorated Christmas tree.

Kelly claims that for the two weeks the sign was displayed, visitors, including young children, could get the impression that the sign is "endorsed" by the state as an "opposing view to the displays."

He says the state's administrative code demands that displays be approved on the basis of "symbolic expression in the exercise of free speech," but that signs are prohibited.

Kelly claims that by allowing the sign, the state approved expression of "hostility towards religion," which he says is unconstitutional.

"The sign was unlike any of the displays. The sign was not symbolic, but rather consisted solely of language intentionally denigrating religion and specifically denigrating Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism, Islam and others that worship God and/or believe in the concepts of heaven and hell," Kelly says.

Kelly says he "was forced to come into direct and unwelcomed contact with the sign by carrying out his activities as a citizen of the State of Illinois" while at the State Capitol. So he turned it face down.

Capitol police then escorted him out of the building, banned him for the day and filed an incident report.

The sign was placed by the Freedom from Religion Foundation, whose co-president, Dan Barker, told CBS TV's Chicago affiliate that the sign does criticize religion, but Barker added that he believes "the Nativity scene is mocking humanity."

It was the second year that the foundation posted the sign at the State Capitol Building in Springfield, according to the foundation's Web site.

Barker states on the Web site: "We don't think religion, or irreligion, belongs in state capitols ... (b)ut if a state is going to permit a Nativity display and create a public forum, then we want to be sure that the views of the 15 percent of the U.S. population who are not religious are also represented."

Kelly sued Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White, claiming that placing the atheists' sign in the Capitol violates the Establishment Clause.

He demands an injunction prohibiting atheists from "placing or allowing to be placed the sign at issue or any such similar sign in the Capitol Building of the State of Illinois and any other State of Illinois Buildings".

He is represented by Mark Roth.



So, the dude was offended by words?? Sticks and stones . . . The circular logic just blows my mind.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

Edit to add Huff Po link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/02/atheism-lawsuit-illinois_n_446374.html
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 10:18 PM
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1. it wasn't symbolic?
Is this idiot unaware that words are just symbols for language?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 11:03 PM
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2. Well shit, there were PLENTY of believers on DU who would jump right on this guy's side.
Oh, the pearl-clutching over the horrible, proselytizing, militant atheist sign. You would have thought you were on Free Republic, but nope, right here on DU.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 04:03 PM
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4. Of course.
Theism is an entire belief structure based on an appeal to authority, just like conservatism.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:13 AM
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7. The DU Tolerance Diode
We are expected to show respect and reverence to them; they do not even have to pretend to tolerate us.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 11:27 AM
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10. WIN!
The Tolerance Diode! I'm adopting this term!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 02:49 PM
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3. Telling the truth = hate speech.
That really ought to tell them something.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 05:06 PM
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5. Yes it does. We tell the truth because we hate it when people are deceived by lies.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-07-10 01:06 AM
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6. Hostility toward religion is a First Amendment violation
mm-kay, any more pretzel logic you would like to demonstrate for the class?
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-14-10 10:28 PM
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8. I see...
when they say "Freedom of speech" it means for THEM and not US.

William Kelly is an idiot, freedom of speech is a two way street. But oh how I enjoy seeing them displaying their ignorance for every one to see.
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meeshrox Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:09 PM
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9. I'm shocked, really, that no one caught this...
"At the time of the winter solstice, let reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is just a myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

This is a Pagan, not Atheist, idea...

It could be Taoist, also...but that could be a stretch.

Not to mention that the "hate speech" claim is ludicrous!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-10 09:25 AM
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11. If he's a Republican, practically everything that comes out of his mouth is probably hate-speech!
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 11:51 PM
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12. Some one forgot to tell him this is not a theocracy....nt
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-10 11:57 PM
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13. Dan Barker is wonderful....just read 'godless'.nt
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