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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 08:46 AM
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Have you seen this ridiculousness?
http://www.doesgodexist.org/

My sister is inundating me with this stuff. It is driving me crazy. No matter how many time I debunk it. I am "deceived" and I have "been warned" Any advice on how to address it with out just being mean? When I stopped replying to it on Facebook, she emails me. ARRRG! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: I've been trying to ignore it but this "scientific proof" broke me. I guess I just needed to vent a bit.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 09:14 AM
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1. Fine, I've been warned. Now STFU. nt
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:08 AM
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2. First of all, I knew everything I need to in about .25 seconds
before the whole page loaded. That site layout is an abomination. Only a tool would put that page together.

I can feel your frustration just reading through that. I think the problem is that anyone who believes the BS that is on that site is going to need a complete paradigm shift (away from idiocy) before they are ready to discuss with you. One won't be able to just logic them out of this. Sorry. I would just ignore them politely and try talk about something else if I needed to be in a social setting with them.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:40 AM
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4. haha, too true
didn't even have time to read the words on the page...
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 10:14 AM
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3. Tell your sister that you are directing all her email to your
spam folder - because that's what it is.

I did that to my sister - it took about a year before she realised that if she wanted to communicate with me via email, she had to stop sending godspam.

Now she sends odd messages with puppy and kitten and butterfly pictures. But no godspam.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 08:44 PM
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10. Right, I issued warnings, only it was for right wing crap
stating the person would be on block if they continued to flood my inbox with it. Then I did.

I only had to block two people. The rest of them caught on faster.

Anybody who needed to get in touch could spring for a long distance call or a stamp.
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:21 AM
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15. Then they just say you are unwilling to listen to anyone that you
disagree with and blah blahblah closed minds and all that projection. Hence the reason I still have 2 teabags on my "friends" list on FB.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 12:16 PM
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5. The easy way...
Sis, I love you but if you don't stop sending me this stuff I'll have no choice but to turn it off. I do not agree with your decisions but I don't constantly send you messages telling you how wrong you are. Please show me the same respect.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 02:53 PM
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6. LOLZ- "scientific perspective" and yet they throw out the whole
concept of the null hypothesis in the first sentence..:rofl: Science for people before the age of enlightenment I should say. Why don't they just save their breath and say, he exists cause I SAY SO! Thats just as logical as the tripe they posted
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 02:57 PM
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7. Hey! I was going to do a website called "Does God exist."
This is what I had in mind for a layout:
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 03:28 PM
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8. HAHA! Almost choked. Thanks.I needed that.nt
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 08:36 AM
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13. example
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-10 04:56 PM
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9. I suppose pointing out he's a liar won't make a difference
Here's his autobiography, Why I Left Atheism:

http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/PastLife.html

Like most of these things, it suffers from resume inflation. It's never enough to have been an unbeliever, you have to have been thoroughly wicked and get worse with each retelling. Clayton doesn't have much to work with, having grown up with a cheerful, pleasant family (though his Mom gets a little crass and sinister whenever religion comes up), so he parcels out improbable moments of high drama from stories supposedly too terrible to tell. Riiiight.

Vignette: In his sophomore year, he reads the Bible 4 times(!!), looking for inconsistencies and scientific innaccuracies for his opus, All the Stupidity of the Bible. Can't do it, the Bible has no contradictions and aligns with facts. Gobsmacked.

Another: Argumentative atheist friend gets sick and has to go to the hospital. He catches his friend in his room praying. He screams "you dirty hypocrite!" at him until he's removed from the hospital.

Another: Judge Roy Moore (hey, we know that idiot!) once remarked to him that druggies never go long without taking their lives. On cue, an episode where he has a rifle between his legs, waiting for the courage to pull the trigger. Of course, the implication is that he'd bottomed out on drugs, but he doesn't say he used drugs. In fact, he never admits to much of anything, apart from some petty thievery, selfishness, and willful disobedience of his parents (whom, though "marvellous", are to blame for his behavior. No God in the home, natch).

Tired-ass trope: His professors are haughty, openly disdainful of religion. They're also brilliant, well-known in their fields. They're ripe for exposure as hypocrites and need some schooling in Biblical facts. Our man Clayton is up to the job...

...and he's still an atheist in this part of the story. He's an atheist when he investigates other religions to see if they have the integrity and truth of Christianity (nope!). He's an atheist when he goes church shopping, looking for one with fidelity to real Christian principles (nope again). He's an atheist when he has "contact with death" for the first time in the military and sees Christianity beats the pants off atheism when it comes to death. He's never not an atheist until the happy ending at the bottom of the story (and this exciting stuff happens between his sophomore and junior year, including the military stint).

What contrived, inauthentic bullshit.

Here's the clincher -- he introduces himself to a letter writer in 1984:
...I am a high school science teacher in South Bend, Indiana, and have been teaching physics, earth science, chemistry and astronomy for some twenty-four years. Before that time I was an atheist and worked actively with Madalyn O'Hair. I was involved in presenting lectures attempting to prove from a scientific standpoint that a person cannot logically and intelligently believe in God.

There was so much nonsense portrayed in the name of religion about evolution, origin of life, and related topics that I felt a person could not intelligently believe in God.

When I began to really try to put lecture material together to prove that there is no God, and to intelligently portray science in a realistic sense in such a way that it would make the choices obvious, it became clear to me that what religionists teach, and particularly what members of the Church teach is not compatible with what the Bible says, and that in fact, from a scientific standpoint, one can prove that God exists and can demonstrate the credibility of the Bible...

http://www.outersystem.us/creationism/clayton/cg01.html

Oh? He worked for the Mighty O'Hair? Was a lecturer in her Satanic service?

And this WASN'T WORTH MENTIONING in his 1969 tale of redemption?

See what I mean? RESUME. INFLATION. Disingenuous bullshit.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 12:44 AM
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11. Send her this link
Edited on Wed Oct-13-10 12:45 AM by onager
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-10 08:29 AM
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12. HA. Think I am just going to stop talking about it ..
She has started on the "where are the trans-animals and why are there still monkeys" Its just worthless and exhausting and I just want to love my sister.
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:00 AM
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14. UPDATE
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 10:13 AM by amyrose2712
OK now I kinda feel bad. I saw my sister yesterday and she apologized. She said she felt bad and didn't want to hurt my feelings. I told her she in no way hurt my feelings. "I didn't tell you to go to um... I just told you you could go" She is my sister and simply has mental problems and I guess I will leave it at that. Thanks for those that responded. PEACE!
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 05:54 PM
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16. Sometimes, you just have to me mean..nt
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