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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:17 AM
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Why are there so many atheist Uncle Toms?
Why do I need to go to R/T and read so many posts that are "I'm an atheist but these new guys are just mean and make the theists unhappy"? I'm not trying to call out the writer of the latest OP. I mean in general. Why?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 09:34 AM
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1. Everyone wants to be among the "in" crowd.
And everyone likes to feel superior to someone else.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 10:08 AM
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2. Self loathing is not uncommon
When everyone around you culturally constantly belittles atheists, its hard not to pick up some of that attitude...sort of a way to try to fit in with your peers to some extent. A lot of people are afraid of being outcast for their beliefs so try to dissassociate themselfs from the "bad influences". Some people can't deal with controversy.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 11:31 AM
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3. I saw that one and backed away from the crazy
While I'm perfectly willing to allow people to believe whatever bullshit gets them through a dark and lonely night, I also realize that the reason there are so many outspoken atheists right now is because we're getting sick and tired of all the bullying by bullshit believers.

If they want to know where all these belligerent "new" atheists are coming from, perhaps they need to examine their behavior toward all us old ones.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 11:46 AM
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4. ''I am a lifelong Democrat but...''
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:05 PM
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9. That gets my vote
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 12:56 PM
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5. I don't know the specifics in this instance, but I generally question the veracity of such these
On the anonymous internet it is easy to be: black and talk about how there isn't racism anymore, gay and talk about why gay rights need to wait, vegetarian but against animal rights, and of course an Atheist but not one of those Atheist.

This isn't to say that there are not plenty of people in these categories that do feel this way, like Herman Cain for instance, but they are not a significant part of any of these populations less than 5-2% of the total. Without any real evidence it would seem to me like people who claim to be members of these categories to prove a point make up from 10-20% of their respective populations. This would mean that 80-90% of these people at least are bull-shitters.(Then again this could be bull-shit too)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 11:29 PM
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6. Many people are conflict averse.
Being an Atheist doesn't preclude someone from being the naive, conflict-averse person that's always saying "why can't we all just get along?".
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:20 AM
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8. That is what I think as well. Terms like "sky daddy" make some believers feel bad,
and some people don't like making anyone feel bad.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:27 PM
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10. ""sky daddy" make some believers feel bad"...
that speaks volumes about their much vaunted faith.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:57 PM
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11. Yes, I think it does. Just like saying someone's favorite band sucks makes some people feel bad.
But the Sky Daddy comment is harsher, because it is fairly accurate.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 05:13 PM
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20. Especially when they go to church every Sunday
and pray "Our Father, who art in Heaven..."
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 11:37 PM
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7. Stockholm Syndrome?
:shrug:
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 05:04 PM
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12. The world is full of liars. The internets doubly so.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 07:38 PM
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13. Because we want to pretend that religious superstition does no harm.
As soon as you acknowledge the fact that there is much harm to be had from it, it's impossible to be tolerant of the ignorance. At least, that's been my experience. I reached the end of my tolerance at about the same time that I arrived at the end of my faith.

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:10 AM
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14. Who do you include with "we?"
You seem to exclude yourself, so it isn't exactly clear.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 01:57 AM
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15. I only include myself in the "we" in the past tense.
Until recently, I struggled to be tolerant of religious beliefs different from my own. If one starts with the assumption that people are entitled to believe what they choose (freedom of religion), then one tends to not proselytize against bigoted, hateful, exclusive and dangerous belief systems. Stupid, right? I KNOW!
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:44 PM
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16. Just what are your religious beliefs?
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:01 PM
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19. I gave up religion many years ago.
I shed my liberal Christian faith much more recently. I live in the real world now, with an understanding of the nature of faith, having come from a highly religious, devoutly faith-filled background. My journey has taken me from theist through tolerant atheist to increasingly intolerant anti-theist.

It has been an surprisingly liberating experience to shed the skin of belief, though not altogether painless.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 04:12 PM
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17. Not only am I different, but I'm different from the rest of the different people.
I'm complex.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:37 PM
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18. I'm unique. Just like everybody else.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 08:45 PM by onager
As for the OP: I don't know. But that type irks the hell out of me.

They always remind me of a comment that Molly Ivins heard in rural Texas:

"Rush is right. Racism is dead. I don't know what the niggers will complain about now."

I mean, we do have freedom of religion. And there's nothing to stop an atheist from, say, running for office, is there? Oh, sure, those silly old antique laws banning them from political office in 16 or so states. But nobody would actually try to enforce those laws or anything. And we have TOTAL freedom of speech, except when we buy billboards or airplane banners or something rude.

See? We got nothing to complain about!

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