xtians

[BurtWorm]

Who knew they don't like being called that? I thought they made it up. :shrug:

[arwalden]

1. If It Wasn't That... It Would Be Something Else

It's not difficult to imagine some fundy getting miffed that I dare to only say "Jesus" instead of using his full name "Jesus Of Nazareth The Christ And Son Of God And Our Personal Lord And Savior" (note also that I neglected to capitalize the word "his").

[Gelliebeans]

3. arwalden

I went to these sites the other night and had a great time remembering all the old Bewitched episodes. Have you seen either one?


http://www.bewitched.net/index.htm

http://www.harpiesbizarre.com/index.html

[arwalden]

11. Those Are Two Of My Favorites!!

Also try this one: http://www.1164.com

Get it? The Stevens' address was 1164 Morning Glory Circle.

[beam me up scottie]

12. Uh oh.

We aren't witnessing the birth of a new religion, are we?

:evilgrin:

[Gelliebeans]

15. awww we have been found out!

honest it's just another 60's TV cult religion. Witches Honor. :rofl:

[Bluebear]

14. My favorite is still the pilot

Or at least the first episode (I think) when Sam ruins the socialites dinner party. (puts spinach on her teeth, makes her hair sproing, and finally the door opens up and blows her wig and dress off!)

[arwalden]

16. I, Darrin, Take This Witch, Samantha

Original airdate 9-17-64. This was the first of four episodes that had opening "back-story" narration. This is the episode that features the most ironic line of the whole series when Samantha says "Maybe I can taper off" (when referring to using her magical powers.)

[Bluebear]

17. Thank you!

And wasn't the socialite named Sheila? It's all coming back to me now! :hi:

[arwalden]

23. Yes... The Character's Name Was Shiela Sommers...

played by Nancy Kovak. She was Sheila two more times... and she also stared as an Italian winery owner. She gets turned into a Chimp by Serena (I think).

[Gelliebeans]

18. I am thinking of buying the

season that will available on June 21st on DVD (I think that is the date)

I'm going for the black and white version.

[arwalden]

21. I've Pre Ordered The BW Version

I've seen the colorized versions online and they look pretty bad. It reminded me of the first-generation attempts to colorize BW movies (you know... where the blob of color didn't exactly fit inside the outline of whatever it was that was being colorized... and if the person moved quickly, they left a "ghost" blob of color behind that was always trying to catch up to their new location on screen.)

Anyway... even if it were quality colorizing, I think it spoils the CHARM of what the original series was like in 1964.

I hope the DVD's have the ORIGINAL opening credits with the "sponsored by Quaker OATS" and "sponsored by Oscar Mayer". Sometimes they opening credits were "Quaker Oats Presents... Bewitched!"

Elizabeth Montgomery also did some commercial spots that were filmed on the set (but she was out of character) One was for Kodak Instamatic cameras... and they did use some "magic" special effects... and the other I recall was for Clairol hot-roller machine.

If Screen Gems (Sony) has all that old footage, they should include it on the DVDs in the EXTRAS sections.

I've been waiting for this to become reality for YEARS!! I can't wait!!

[Gelliebeans]

26. I know I saw that

quaker oats and oscar meyer commercials on the bewitched site. She also did Clairol too.

The Chevy commercial story board with audio of Agnes Moorehead and the boys from Bonanza was neat also.

I hope the DVD's will be chock full of goodies. B&W was best in the originals.

Ok now I feel like I found my long lost buddy, Arwalden, where have ya been?


****pssst I am sorry BurtWorm we side-tracked on the Xian thing and hijacked your thread and for that, I humbly apologize.

[BurtWorm]

7. What if we called them "cretins"?

:scared:

Actually, the derivation of "cretin" is, in fact crétien, which means "Christian." French peasants used it is as a euphemism for "idiot," as in "The village idiot may be a little slow, but he's a cretin, just like the rest of us God-fearing churchgoers."

[beam me up scottie]

9. That does sound offensive, doesn't it?

I LIKE it!
:evilgrin:

[Modem Butterfly]

2. They're always bitching about something

Climb off the cross, Mary, somebody else needs the wood.

:evilgrin:

[beam me up scottie]

4. I think they did make it up.

We sure didn't.
Let me do some digging, or, if the great and all-knowing and
all-powerful Trotsky is paying attention, he may know for sure.

[DavidDvorkin]

5. The problem with that usage

is that it accepts their contention that Jesus was divine. Same problem using Xmas instead of Christmas.

[BurtWorm]

6. x is just shorthand for Christ. Actually, it should be xian.

It's just shorthand. It doesn't acknowledge anything.

[DavidDvorkin]

8. It's more than shorthand

It's used in order not to use the name of God -- used that way by those who believe that Jesus was divine. It's the same thing as writing G-d instead of God, as some people, especially devout Jews, do.

That's the origin of the whole X usage. Not shorthand, but religious belief. Thus, if you use it, you're acknowledging their claim.

[beam me up scottie]

10. From faqs.org:

1.12. Someone used the term Xtian, and I'm offended. What should I do?

Start by learning the history of term, to understand that there was likely no offense intended.
X is an abbreviation for Christ, arising from the Greek term Christos, which starts with a Greek Chi, written as X. This usage dates back to the 1500s. Thus, the usage is not an attempt to "blot out" the name, or be offensive. However, it is worthwhile to note that for some, even with the historical basis, the term remains offensive.

It should also be noted that some common Yiddish usages, although just a shorthand for many, are considered offensive by some. A good example is the word "shicksa".

Those wishing to avoid offending those bothered by terms such as these might consider choosing alternate phrases.


http://www.faqs.org/faqs/

[arwalden]

13. Really?

<< Thus, if you use it, you're acknowledging their claim. >>

It could also B that folks like 2 type short symbols 4 longer words.

[onager]

19. That's why I use it.

Just shorthand. If they bitch, I refer them to "Xmas" and the rest of the etymology.

If they remain offended, I must respectfully suggest, with all sincerity and respect for their beliefs, that they just fuck off and die.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Yeah and you're an asshole, Onager.

Oops, sorry, that's Beetwasher's sig line! :blush:
My bad!
:evilgrin:

[onager]

33. Well, it's not exactly a newsflash...

...that I'm an asshole. :hi:

You better watch it, though. The way Dim Son is going, we could both end up back in the Marines. (Even though if a god existed, I would be older than it.)

Since I've had experience at the job, I could end up as your drill instructor...

Heh.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Uh uh.

No way would they drag me back!
I actually do conscientiously object to killing people.
It's bad enough my bro's going over there this month.
My other bro hasn't gotten orders - yet.
As you may have noticed, I'm hardly the patriotic good citizen in the family!
I may be a commie pinko liberal, but I sleep well at night.

[beam me up scottie]

31. uhhhhh, Onager?

You know I was joking, right, old buddy, old pal?
See? Here's proof, BW's sig line:

"This Post Is Dedicated To Myself, Without Whom, I'd Be Somebody Else. Though I'd Still Be An Asshole."

Heh heh, anybody could make that mistake, right?

[Gelliebeans]

32. LOL now ur in for it

psssst BMUS :hide: quick over here

[BurtWorm]

22. Oh, bullshit.

I don't use it anyway, but now you're sounding like a magic thinker.

[Modem Butterfly]

35. "Magic Thinker" I like that!

I've got to work that in...

[beam me up scottie]

24. Burtworm, when you

start a thread, you really start a thread, you know?
All kinds of stuff going on in here, it's like this seedy bar I used to frequent...

[BurtWorm]

25. I can't help it the Bewitchers highjacked it.

:evilfrown:

Maybe I should call them Bwitchers. ;)

[beam me up scottie]

27. No, it's great!

It's like some weird house party!

[BurtWorm]

28. A house party at 1164 Morning Glory Circle!

:party:

[Gelliebeans]

29. I apologized up thread

hee hee sometimes I can't help it.

Please forgive my bad manners.

If you won't accept my apology, I will just put a spell on you ;)

[BurtWorm]

30. Damn bwitchers.

;) :toast:

[Bzzzz]

34. I love using the shortcut...

really pisses 'em off.

[jonnyblitz]

37. the xians themselves came up with it according to a poster

on one of those contentious threads yesterday. I can think of much worse names i would like to call some of them. :P

[Zenlitened]

38. Important safety tip: Religionist trolls want to control what you think...

... by controlling what you say.

That's one of their favorite techniques, trying to slice words and phrases out of the vocabularies of their critics, by claiming terms of one sort or another are offensive.

Ignore them. Say what's on your mind, and don't ask anyone's permission to do so. :hi:

[China_cat]

39. They don't know their own history and

rarely actually read the book they thump.