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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:14 AM
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An article to make you sick with rage--and the antidote
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 08:16 AM by BurtWorm
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/13606.html

Thomas C. Reeves

The Temptation of Secularism
Professor Reeves is the author of A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy. He has just finished a biography of Wisconsin Governor Walter J. Kohler, Jr. Mr. Reeves is a Senior Fellow of the Wisconsin Policy Research Institute.

It is commonplace these days for some journalists and many intellectuals to blame religion for much of the worlds ills. Look at foreign affairs, they say. The Muslim fanatics blowing themselves and others to bits really think they’re going to rewarded in heaven with 40 virgins. Those cowboys and Zionists who are running American foreign policy and endangering the world think they are doing the will of the God. At home, Catholics and others are at work to prevent the research necessary to cure many diseases. Right-wing evangelicals constantly plot to impose their moral restrictions on others. It is only the sober, educated rationalists, we are told, who can see realities beyond the superstitions and bring justice and truth to a world hungering for peace and prosperity. Rid the globe of religion and you free the human mind, at last, to create the wonders of which it is capable.

This is the dogma of the 18th century Enlightenment, of course, later embraced by Marxists who murdered clergy and destroyed churches whenever the opportunity arose. This secular dogma lives still, especially among leftist intellectuals and media moguls who often see themselves as the high priests of knowledge and learning. Woven into their arguments are almost always appeals to end definitions of right and wrong, a move that has the advantage of destroying all moral inhibitions and sanctions. Free sex for a free people.

Since the Second World War, Western Europe has become increasingly secular. After 1960, Easter services in the Church of England attracted only two percent of the British people. By the 1990s, only 40 percent of marriages in England and Wales were solemnized in a church. Mass attendance in France has fallen to six percent on a given Sunday. Spain has endorsed homosexual marriage. The Dutch are almost wholly secular people. And so on. Now that Christianity is disappearing, European peoples should be awaiting the dawn of reason and happiness. If it only weren’t for those religious crazies and Texas loonies who keep believing they are doing the will of God.

Several things are wrong with this hoary and naive approach to truth. In the first place, there is no such thing as a purely secular person. The innate passion for religion can never be wholly suppressed. Although it wasn’t G. K. Chesterton who said it, this venerable thought rings true: “When men stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing. They believe in anything.” The objects of human worship know no limit. On the crudest level, there are the millions who revere athletes, movie and television stars, rock stars, automobiles, pornography, drugs, and gambling. On a slightly higher level, millions bow to race, the nation, status, wealth, political parties, art forms, clubs, cities, and colleges. Millions put their faith in horoscopes, cults, gurus, fads, and diets. On its most intellectual level, the most common form of worship by the avowed secularist is found in the mirror, and many a professor has been able to smile throughout life by pondering its reflection.

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and the antidote:

http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/has_hnn_no_standards/




(PS: Why do the religious so often write like they're constipated?)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:37 AM
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1. I LOVE that site!
An excellent dissection of the thumper's whining.
The closer we get to secularism, the more desperate they'll become.

How odd, as I was reading this NPR replayed part of Santorum's "Does man have a purpose" spiel.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:45 AM
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2. I haven't been privileged to hear that spiel.
Just what I want: some former PR guy from the WWF telling me what my purpose is. :eyes:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 08:55 AM
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3. Trust me, you don't want to hear it.
I swear everytime I hear that lunatic speak, it sounds like a mock interview from The Daily Show.
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:01 AM
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4. Did you hear the letter in response?
Someone wrote a very good letter in response that essentially said Santorum only does the "moral" thing because he's afraid of what a more powerful being will do to him. Like doing the right thing because someone threatens to beat you up otherwise.

And the writer stated he doesn't need to be threatened, he is moral based on his own conscious and intelligence.

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 09:39 AM
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5. Yes!
I should have mentioned that.

It put a smile on my face as I was getting ready for work.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:06 AM
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6. I think the United States is more secular than most are willing to admit
I live in a red-state and I am a rarity among my friends and acquaintances in that I attend church. Most people don't, barring an occasional visit on Easter or Christmas.

I've met very few hard-core atheists in my life, but I've met very few hard-core believers, either. Most people don't spend that much time thinking about religion. The most common view I hear is: "Yeah, I think there is a God out there, but why do I have go to church? Isn't being a good person enough?" Or, "I don't know what's out there, but I guess I'll find out when I die."

So why has the Religious Right seized power? Well, because they wanted it badly enough, for one thing. And, they appeal to the baser nature of man: people may not be so devout these days, but they haven't lost their capacity to hate: gays and lesbians, people of color, 'liberals,' etc.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:36 AM
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7. I love this bit...
The Dutch are almost wholly secular people. And so on. Now that Christianity is disappearing, European peoples should be awaiting the dawn of reason and happiness. If it only weren’t for those religious crazies and Texas loonies who keep believing they are doing the will of God.

Umm...YEAH!

Wow, what a douche.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:19 PM
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8. Oh, those nasty 18th-Century Enlightenment guys
Who gave us, among other things, the United States of America.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 03:48 PM
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9. The G. K. Chesterton quote is FAKE
It is a series of misquotings of utterings of characters in his writings: http://www.chesterton.org/qmeister2/any-everything.htm

And even if it WAS true, so what? It'd only prove he was a bigoted asshole, a thing having talent doesn't protect you against.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 03:37 AM
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11. What he wrote after the fake quote annoyed me
The objects of human worship know no limit. On the crudest level, there are the millions who revere athletes, movie and television stars, rock stars, automobiles, pornography, drugs, and gambling. On a slightly higher level, millions bow to race, the nation, status, wealth, political parties, art forms, clubs, cities, and colleges. Millions put their faith in horoscopes, cults, gurus, fads, and diets. On its most intellectual level, the most common form of worship by the avowed secularist is found in the mirror, and many a professor has been able to smile throughout life by pondering its reflection.

Excuse me, but most secular folks, at least the ones I know, are as apt to cast a critical eye on the subjects he cites as they do on religious dogma. It's the credulous who buy into every fad, guru, and celebrity that comes along. Believers tend to revere consumerism as much as they do Jeebus because they are easily brainwashed by anyone who seems powerful or speaks with authority. As for his implication that non-believers are self-absorbed, please. I think it's the height of narcissism to think that you were specially created by some all-powerful deity in his image and were given dominion over the entire planet, with an immortal soul to boot. Not to mention thinking that said deity takes an intense ongoing personal interest in your pathetic little self. :eyes:
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:06 PM
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10. "expensive homes, stock portfolios, advanced degrees, and mirrors "
Sounds like the very things you'll find people who have been "Blessed, blessed REAL good" would have....

I only have one mirror, and I check it in the morning to make sure i hit everyplace with the Norelco.

I suppose Christians don't NEED no steenkin' mirrors for grooming? Or do they not cast a reflection?

Nothing I hate more than some "So many cents per word" Pseudo-intelectual mythist chuckling in print over poor, poor, misguided, hell-bound me....

I would offer that perhaps the reason that Europe is becoming increasingly secularized is that after 2,000 years, they've finally decided to lay the failed Christian Experiment to Rest.
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-05 10:37 PM
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12. the comments are priceless
Edited on Tue Aug-16-05 10:42 PM by WMliberal
"even the sorostitutes in my poli sci classes who'd twiddle their hair and ask "When the Cold War ended, did that make global warming worse?" show a greater grasp of history and politics than Mr. Reeves."
:rofl:
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