I take back my previous statements re: Billie Piper.

[trotsky]

Having watched the 2-part conclusion to season 2 of the new Doctor Who, I was overwhelmed with her acting at the very end. Several episodes in the new series have brought me close to tears, but I am not ashamed to admit that this one really turned on the waterworks. Piper did that, all by herself.

The other comment I need to make is regarding the music direction on the new series. Murray Gold KICKS ASS. That is all.

[salvorhardin]

1. That was indeed a real tearjerker.

And what a season finale too! If RTD and crew continue on this course, then next season finale will have to have the Master in addition to all the other baddies.

I thought Billie Piper's acting was remarkable in this one too, but I've thought she's been all around great.

[trotsky]

2. I just had mixed feelings about her.

May have been more of a problem with the writing. It seemed like they couldn't figure out if Rose was a bumbling dope or a brilliant woman, and they'd flip between the two as convenient.

[salvorhardin]

3. Aye, I know exactly what you mean

I think they were trying to provide for growth in Rose's character from an apathetic (in regards to the bigger world) shop girl to someone who could hold their own alongside the Doctor. Obviously they didn't totally succeed and hit some sour notes along the way but overall I thought they did well. Maybe when you have a bunch of different writers penning scripts for the series this is inevitable.

One of the BBC animated web Doctor Who specials had a storyline where (IIRC) the Sylvester McCoy Doctor battles an insane Time Lord who has wiped out all the other Time Lords (and the Doctor sacrifices his life at the end) but somehow Ace has been in some kind of mystical Time Lord training and manages to become a Time Lord. Not sure how that works out but it's an intriguing idea and one I thought the writers were going to exploit in Season 28.

I'm glad they didn't. Now Rose has a chance to become a human version of the Doctor with her universe's version of Torchwood.

[trotsky]

4. And an interesting thought about that.

The parallel earth has a Torchwood. Doesn't that mean the parallel earth has a Doctor who freaked out Queen Victoria in 1879?

[salvorhardin]

5. And maybe a Gallifrey and Time Lords

That never were destroyed in a Time War?

[trotsky]

6. Yes, exactly.

Or maybe the parallel Doctor perished WITH all the Time Lords. Or the Doctor and a few others survived. Or a Time War that the Daleks won.

A whole new universe with a blank canon to be established.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

8. There's so many possibilities

It could have been their version of our Doctor, or even a different incarnation, an Ecclestone, a Colin Baker, a Troughton. So many possibilities.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

9. Do you know where I can find that web special? n/t

[Anarcho-Socialist]

7. It did take me to the end of series 2

To find anything to like about her. At first I was frustrated by her FSM-awful accent and her private life which I cared nought for. I did eventually warm to her family; and I found things to like about her especially as Rose became a stronger character, rather than the dope she seemed at first.

[trotsky]

10. Mickey matured nicely.

But rather abruptly, and seemingly out of nowhere. So he's a computer whiz with skills the most elite hacker would envy, but he works as a mechanic?

It was nice, too, to see a companion sendoff that was a major part of the episode, and one that reunited Rose's family.

What an unusual cliffhanger for the Christmas episode, though. How the heck did that woman end up in the TARDIS?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

11. I quite liked the the cliffhanger

I wonder how they will explain the presence of the bride in the TARDIS, I'm looking forward to it.

[ikri]

12. They have a lot of explaining to do

Not only the appearance of the bride. They'll undoubtedly use the episode to introduce the new assistant, which should be interesting since I'm pretty sure she died in part 1 of the season finale.

[salvorhardin]

13. She played a different character in the finale

And from what I've read the Christmas special won't be used to introduce the new assistant because they had already filmed before they had chosen her.

[ikri]

15. Hmm

That's going to take even more explaining if that's the case.

Parallel universe? Twin sister?

[salvorhardin]

18. I think they're just going to create a whole new character for her

And not even acknowledge the throwaway part in Army of Ghosts.

[w13rd0]

19. They've done it before...

...one of the characters in Torchwood also played a woman from the 1700s in one of the Doctor Who episodes.

[Deja Q]

21. He did... until the final two-parter... (and one image sums up Rose too)

that's when it became too OTT and unrealistic.

And for all the whining the Doctor went on about how it's not Rose's universe, not her dad and all that, the ending is not just convenient, RTD is spitting on his own established continuity (it's said he rewrote 'Rise of the Cybermen'/'Age of Steel'.)

And 7 minutes just to say goodbye...

The Xmas episode can be found, in 7 pieces, on youtube... It's filler fodder, totally stupid, but it is superficially entertaining...


http://www.deviantart.com/view/46247500/?qo=11&q=by%3Amimi-na&qh=boost%

[salvorhardin]

14. What's objectionable about Rose's accent?

As a non-Brit your statement intrigues me. Is that like some northeastern USians dislike the deep southern USian accent?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

16. The way Rose spoke, especially early on

had a strong but exaggerated London accent which sounded awful to listen to, at least for me.

[salvorhardin]

17. Hmm.

I took that to just be a lower-class London accent and didn't think much of it. I had much more trouble with Christopher Eccleston's accent and would often have to pause and skip back 30 seconds in order to decipher something he said. And David Tennant's accent sounds too much like braying every now and then (but it's not a distraction).

[Deja Q]

20. She's a good actress,

but the way "Doomsday" makes an utter mockery out of "Army of Ghosts" has just about turned me off the new series for good. RTD is a good producer, but he's a mockery as a writer.

7 minutes devoted to the bye-bye of a companion is ridiculous. One who a lot of people on Outpost Gallifrey wanted gone far sooner, in favor of Mickey being the sole companion (and I don't blame them!)

Murray Gold's revamped theme (which contains a lot of Delia Derbyshire's original music) is good, but the incidental music is often too loud and swamps the dialogue. The DVD sets have the same problem...

The series 3 teaser looks promising, but I'm not holding my breath anymore. RTD's sloppy Terry Nation-wannabe style is no longer a novelty. The guy makes the program as if it was light entertainment... I applaud the visuals and some elements of the style, but it lacks lasting power. So little of it holds up.

As for her character, a cartoon sums up the cartoon show:

http://www.deviantart.com/view/46247500/?qo=11&q=by%3Amimi-na&qh=boost%

[AllegroRondo]

22. LOVE the graphic

its going up as wallpaper!