"bill Clinton is strong, Kerry is weak". New diary up needs to be smacked

[beachmom]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/26/82326/7443

I'm am SO sick of this crap already!!

[wildflower]

1. Saw something like that here too...

I don't think I'm allowed to mention the thread it's in..?

But it feels like the Alito filibuster, or more specifically Kerry's role in leading it and his motivation of the base, has been forgotten so quickly.

wildflower

[wisteria]

2. Well, the ungrateful little twits. I posted over there.

Why must everything anyone does turn out to be a contest over who was first, who said it better, and who really fights. This post should be flame-bait. It serves no purpose other than to promote Clinton and bash Kerry. And why? Kerry wasn't involved in this interview.
I do have a theory though, I feel there is a tug of war going on for the party, and Clinton still wants to control it. Kerry wants a new direction, which I agree with, and he is considered a threat. Now we have the Clinton's trying to take over the bloggers. Well, this is one blogger they won't sucker into backing their old direction.

[MBS]

3. I think you're right

.. .about the tug of war going on in the party. It explains a lot.

[blm]

4. Clinton waited FIVE YEARS to smackdown the lies. Danny LIKED THAT WAIT?

I was fighting the charges against Clinton since 9-11, and that was for an entire FIVE YEARS before Clinton spoke out publically to address the charges specifically.

Does Danny want ALL Democrats to follow that example and wait FIVE YEARS before they answer the most important LIES against them?

You are welcome to post this there.

[wisteria]

5. I will, because he mentions that Kerry waited two years, in his opinion,

to kick *ss.

[ProSense]

6. Such BS!

Clinton defends successor's push for war
Says Bush 'couldn't responsibly ignore' chance Iraq had WMDs

Wednesday, June 23, 2004 Posted: 7:55 AM EDT (1155 GMT)

(CNN) -- Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq but chastised the administration over the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison.

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/index.html

Just like Clinton supporters to turn this into a Clinton against the left, this time pretending that he has been the most outspoken critic of Bush!

[Mass]

20. 2 year wait vs 5 year wait - uhm. I wonder who I like more. \nt

[MBS]

7. Beachmom, I wrote a reply

but I can't post for 24 hours because I'm new to Daily Kos (I've been avoiding it up to now for the sake of my mental health). I sent it to your mailbox. Check it out, and if you think if't useful, please feel free to use it. If I wait 24 hours to do it on my own, it for sure won't be useful. .

[Mass]

8. Is there a transcript of Imus this morning.

In this thread, somebody says that Kerry endorsed Kinky Friedman and did not say clearly he did not support torture. I have not heard what he said, but I am sure this is inaccurate.

[wisteria]

10. That is a spin on everything he said. He was humoring Imus with the

Freeman bit, and never came out and endorsed him, said nothing more than he was smart and had some good ideas. Kerry only supports Dem's. As for the the other issue. He was being honest, and said he isn't sure how he will vote yet, he wants to read it all through.Although , he was attempting to make a case against these types of interrogations, saying you can get better information using other non-torture methods.
The transcript isn't up yet I haven't been able to locate it.

[karynnj]

16. I took it that way too

especially as they were going through Imus's "Bets" - starting with the obligatoring teasing that Kerry gets everytime about Imus losing betting for him. In some cases, Santorum and Lieberman - Kerry was mostly just commenting that he was going to lose - adding he endorsed Lamont and Casey.

On torture, I think his first statement showed he was appalled that some of these things are even being considered. Quickly summerizing two of the strongest editorials against it - seems like when Kerry in past Imus shows has read something that concurs with what he is thinking. I haven't heard anyone come out with a definative "I'm not voting for it". The compromise was done on either Thusday - I think. When was it even written up as a formal bill? Even Feingold has said little. They had hearings yesterday, so I assume changes can still be made.

[beachmom]

29. Perhaps the intent was lost in translation

IMUS: And Kinky Friedman in Texas. ,

KERRY: Kinky Friedman -- boy, I'd love to see Kinky Friedman win, I really would. But I think it's a tough list, but I'd love to see it happen.

IMUS: You know, he's a little goofy because (inaudible) but I've known him for 30 years. He's brilliant.

KERRY: He really is. He is a funny a man. And his observations are just right on target.

IMUS: And he surrounds himself with smart people.

KERRY: He does. Very smart himself. He's a very smart guy.




Since you guys heard it, did his tone really mean this?

IMUS: And Kinky Friedman in Texas. ,

KERRY: Kinky Friedman -- boy, I'd love to see Kinky Friedman win, I really would.:sarcasm: But I think it's a tough list, but I'd love to see it happen.

IMUS: You know, he's a little goofy because (inaudible) but I've known him for 30 years. He's brilliant.

KERRY: He really is. He is a funny a man. And his observations are just right on target.

IMUS: And he surrounds himself with smart people.

KERRY: He does. Very smart himself. He's a very smart guy.

[Mass]

12. After having read the transcript, I pretty much agree with you.

However, I wished he had been less nice concerning Freeman. I understand what he was saying, I can imagine how he said it, joking, but just imagine how it would seem if a Democrat came to a show and say: "I'd like to see Christy Mihos win". Not a big deal, but I could have done without that part. (and Mihos said nice things yesterday: he said Massachusetts was great because it was the only state which voted for McGovern).

[wisteria]

13. It's obvious Freeman isn't going to be elected. How can anyone

-except Imus perhaps, see this Freeman run as little more than a joke?

[blm]

14. Willie Nelson and ALOT of left characters endorse Friedman - I don't

and Kerry doesn't. But, we are BOTH likely to have some respect for Friedman's views we agree with.

[Mass]

15. Did I ever say he endorsed Friedman? I just said I could have done

without the comment. I have some respect for Mihos, but I would be yelling bloody hell if some Democrat on a show said about Mihos what Kerry said about Friedman. That is all. As I said, no big deal, and the rest of the comments on kos is full of baloney.

[blm]

18. Oh no - I didn't mean to imply that at all. Mine is just a general thought

about the whole issue re Kinky.

[Mass]

19. I heard him speak and I agree with him on some points.

I dont know enough about Texas politics to know whom he hurts more.

[karynnj]

17. Good point

[sandnsea]

9. 13 years of triangulating

and strangulating this party so Hillary can be tough on defense - and one little tirade has these people at the altar of Bill. Unbelievable.

[MBS]

11. I agree 100%!

[whometense]

21. A-freaking-men.

If there was an encyclopedia entry for "self-serving" Bill Clinton's picture would be the illustration. Nothing he does is selfless. It's all about him. This stuff really pisses me off. I defended that guy for 8 damned years, but no longer.

On the Young Turks this morning (by the way, I really don't like that show - anyone like it??) they were talking about the short american memory, and here's a great illustration. When we were in Prague and London last spring the thing that struck me the most was the way national history was so alive to the people we met. They weren't bookish about it, but the country's and city's histories were part of their everyday lives. We could do with more of that here.

[TayTay]

22. Young Turks is growing on me. But I miss Rachael

I really liked Rachael MAddow in the morning. I just don't like too much arguing on my morning commute.

I agree, Clinton is for Clinton, as ever. This is what he did in 1994 after the election massacre, he cut the rest of the Party loose and went out for Bill Clinton. Same old, same old.

[whometense]

23. absolutely.

I really miss Rachel too. She had a good tone for mornings - serious, but gentle.

And I don't like the three-host format. Too many different voices at once. I don't think it works well on radio.

[ProSense]

24. What this is:

A lot of Democrats, including candidates like Lamont, have been out there fighting Bush on Iraq and all his failed policies, hitting him left and right on Iraq, illegal spying, stacking the courts, Katrina and the rest, then Bill Clinton steps in at the last minute to defend his record. Despite the complicit media, Bush has record low approval ratings. Rubber stamp Republican is coined! The Clinton supporters and pundits run with the meme Clinton shows Dems how to fight back! Right before the election, the important thing for these pundits to do is hold the Democrats up as weak! Begala and Carville this morning pretty much said the Democrats haven't been fighting back since 2002. My questions is: Where was Clinton -- Bill and Hillary?

The Clinton backers are setting this up as Clinton won the election for Democrats. Such BS!

[wisteria]

26. I agree. We know the truth and can't let them get away with this.

This is an underhanded power grab. Worse they did everything to undermine a lot of people's efforts and now they want to step in and take responsibility for the party's back bone and reap all the benefits. I see we may have no choice but to set the record straight with the media and aggressively go after them- right after the election. We can't do it now, it will look like we are in disarray as a party. Damn that Clinton, he needs to retire and just go away.

[sandnsea]

27. And out pops Hillary this morning

"Democrats are not going to take these attacks." Fuck these two. I have HAD IT with them.

[wisteria]

28. Lousy opportunists!

I will set the record straight with whomever I see. It is a shame they are dividing the party at this point in time.

[blm]

25. Here's an answer for a certain poster

named fran holland -

I doubt Clinton would have won "on his own" in 1992 if John Kerry hadn't worked to expose Bush's illegal dealings in IranContra and BCCI, where the constant bad headlines went a long way to break the public trust in him.

Clinton had Kerry investigating and exposing Reagan and Bush administrations for 5years before he ran for president.

Kerry had 4 years of Clinton supporting Bush2 publically on so many issues that mattered to public perception of Bush as a person and as a leader.