Elizabeth Edwards trashes John Kerry.

[sandrakae]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2233692

[Mass]

1. She goes to Target? She eats at Wendy's (except on their anniversary)?

I like her a lot, but this is really a load of very stupid comments. The only question is whether it came to her naturally, or if some of her husband's strategists gave her this answer.

BTW, coming from somebody who is extremely wealthy, this is a weird comment.

[TayTay]

2. That was a tasteless and crappy answer

I thought she was a classy woman. I am disappointed to find out this isn't true.

[whometense]

3. I thought so too.

Especially considering her comments earlier about how caring both John and Teresa were with her when she was diagnosed. I expected better of her.

Fortunately, most of the commenters agree. It's threads like this that convince me that the tide really has turned on opinion on Kerry. Even six months ago, there would have been a lot of piling on.

[Blaukraut]

4. Ok, I'll be honest here

If I had millions, I would NOT shop at Target, or eat that poisonous crap at Wendy's. First thing I'd do is go to the finer stores, buy good quality - non sweatshop made; and buy expensive, healthful foods at an organic market. Why? Because I could afford it. What on earth is wrong with that?
That said, just in order to differentiate herself and her husband from the 'oh-so-posh' Kerrys, she has sold out one thing that John and Teresa will always have; Integrity!

[TayTay]

5. I agree.

That was not a comment worthy of that lady. It's sad that ambition makes people do funny things.

[_dynamicdems]

28. Perhaps we did not know the lady all that well after all.

She seemed like an open and honest person, but how well did we really know her? This does not seem in character, but is it not in character for Mrs. Edwards or not in character for the qualities we attributed to her? All I know for sure is that we're seeing some ugly sides of quite a few Democrats lately.

:shrug:

[Democrafty]

6. I don't have millions, and I don't go to those places

because this is America and I don't have to if I don't want to!

I hate, hate, hate it when people get into debates about what is a valid, "normal" way to spend money, and it bothers me especially coming from somebody who doesn't have to go to work every day.

JK and THK both have jobs. They have jobs that are tough to get and come with a certain amount of privilege, but they put a lot of their time and of their personal selves into them. I don't think these comments are fair, even if they weren't intended to come out as attacks.

[ProSense]

7. I don't have millions

and I avoid fast food whenever possible! I shop at Target infrequently, but if I had millions I could see myself indulging in a few weekend shopping trips overseas! What the hell is wrong with people?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wasn't born broke -- is the measure of his life's work and contribution going to be whether or not he eats at Burger King?

[wisteria]

9. I do those things now, and I am certainly not rich.

Although, I do go to Target for a replacement appliance or two. Never, Walmart though.

[karynnj]

21. Great comment

She is smart enough that I wonder why see didn't protect herself from these comments by framing this as "the Perception of John Kerry"

The thing that is stupid is that a simple comparison of John Kerry's true economic status through his 30s and 40s with John Edwards's when he was the same age. Kerry was well off only for the few years he had as a trial lawyer. Edwards was content being a trial lawyer for decades - becoming progressively wealthier. That Kerry was quickly dissatisfied and wanted a life that met the values of public service he was raised with.

[ray of light]

66. not really meaning to kick the thread...but even expensive designer

clothing is made in sweatshops.

[rox63]

8. The Edwards aren't exactly poor

They are worth a few million, at least.

[Mass]

11. yes, between 20 and 40, if we can believe what the campaigns said 2 years

ago.

[sandrakae]

22. 67 to be exact.

[Mass]

10. The comments about Target and Wendy show how she is out of touch.

We do not go to Wendy and Target by choice, as she does, but by necessity.

As many comments about poverty by the Edwards, it sounds phony because they want too much to fit and they often miss the point.

I commend his actions about poverty, but they are as disconnected as the Kerrys. They just do not want to recognize it. (BTW, $28,000 some 25 years ago was not that bad, I think).

[WildEyedLiberal]

13. Exactly, I HATE this kind of pandering to the middle class

It is so condescending and patronizing to think that people are so dumb that they'll identify with someone because golly gee whiz, they shop at Target too!

Like you said: it would be a hell of a lot more genuine if they would just admit they are wealthy and not pretend that they are "one of us" in order to woo middle class voters. Kerry is too respectful of people to be that patronizing.

[karynnj]

26. You know you're right

I loved how Kerry on the Iowa videa connected with the goat farmer, speaking of his son-in -law's goat farm. It may be that the only thing that John Heinz and this farmer had was that they were both goat farmers, but the connection was real and it was cute seeing them speaking about goats. That John Heinz is likely a multi-millionaire was not important.

[wisteria]

15. Your right, income in our household back then was about 10,000 less. n/t

[karynnj]

25. Also How long did 2 lawyers work for a total of $28,000?

She also is not speaking Boston or NYC, but NC.

[blm]

12. I'm hoping the answers were sensationalized by TIME reporter. It is hard

to believe that Elizabeth would go down that road, so I will wait to hear more.

[ProSense]

14. I guess because Kerry was the candidate

it's gunning for Kerry season. What I find hilarious is despite all the claims that Kerry is irrelevant, every campaign/supporter is gunning for Kerry!

It's on!

[ProSense]

16. Well then,

one of the more logical comment in that thread:

True, but she could easily have responded to the "painting"......
without mentioning how she knows the artists of her paintings, shops at Target & eats at Wendy's. It was slightly tactless. She is just giving the "painters" more fodder.

And in re: to Kerry's "luxurious homes"...the house that E.E. & J.E. lived in in D.C. was originally listed for sale by them for over $6 million. I read once that their Raleigh home was valued at nearly $2 million. They have a beach house for the "poor man's" vacation. And the land that they bought in Chapel Hill to build a house (with a guest house for their oldest daughter) on was bought for over $1 million.

So perhaps they don't deserve to be excoriated, but they should at least be examined.

I knew about the $2 million home and the property. Elizabeth Edwards made a statement for political reasons. That is a fact!

[karynnj]

27. I assume that the Kerry's also have paintings from artists they know

In fact, doesn't Kerry have a painting done by Senator Kennedy? He knows him.

Wasn't being a patron to up and coming artists almost a status symbol is very chi chi circles?

[WildEyedLiberal]

31. Yeah, it's in his Senate office

Ted is a good painter!

Check your PM.

[karynnj]

43. So that is absolute proof that Kerry has a painting

from someone he has known for 35 plus years. I also would guess that many of the photos he has up are from his friend of over 40 years, George Butler.

I seriously doubt that the clothes they wear come from Target. You also don't furnish a house worth 2 million from Target. Maybe she stocks up on light bulbs and toilet paper there.

[benny05]

59. I think it gets back to just approaches, doesn't it?

And also when wealth was acquired in the time of their lives.

I can only speak from my porch since I've not seen either JK or JRE's house(s).

I have a home that is not a dream home, but I can claim that I am buying my home, and it is the first growth asset in my life.

When I got married to the spouse I have now, I had JCP and Target as places whereby my friends who wanted to give us a gift to wish us well could do so. My home isn't fancy. I collected art from artists I knew, just as Elizabeth stated. I'm guessing that JK/THK were able to go beyond that, and I think, and so does EAE, that's great--they have these things. It's just saying that when you don't have a lot to start off with, sometimes one stays in that mindset.

If you read EAE's Saving Graces, she talks about hiring others to do things for them. That's something we cannot do here. But she recognized as she got her cancer treatments that as she said on Oprah today, she had it "easy street" and the single mom would have to juggle so much..and wishes we could focus more on women with these problems to help them out.

I wish I could meet JK as some of you were able to do last year. And I bet he is a great guy to have a beer with. JRE doesn't drink beer, as far as I know; it's an occasional glass of white wine, only I've seen once, and it was with some librarians back in May. He had 2 sips from what I could see on photos. :-)

I keep thinking that JK should have been our President, with JRE helping things move along in the Senate. But that time has clearly passed, and our current Administration is horrible.

B

[karynnj]

17. I posted

The last part is pretty disingenuous. They had little money the year they left law school. How many years did it take before they were worth over a million dollars? John Edwards was a very successful attorney - it didn't take long.

So, for most of their adult lives they were members of the upper middle class, then the wealthy elite. Now, how does this compare with John Kerry:

- Kerry was born to a woman who was a descendant of many of the families that build Massachusetts. His dad, a talented lawyer, chose to work as a diplomat - making a government salary. The family was not wealthy, but was extremely well connected. An aunt paid for John Kerry's education at some of the finest schools in Europe and America. His dad's job and his family connections gave him an extraordinary childhood where he met many of the most famous politicians in Europe and America.

- Kerry attended schools where he and a few scholarship kids were the only ones who didn't have access to a lot of money. Unlike most of his friends, he had a summer job and a part time job during his college years to earn pocket money. Kerry, to his credit, never tried to argue that he was not born wealthy. I assume the reason is that he knew he did have more than average and more importantly, though not wealthy as a kid, he was extremely well connected. Graduating college, especially after becoming a highly decorated war hero, he could have used those connections to get a job that would make him very very wealthy.

- Unlike Edwards, when John Kerry graduated law school, he went to work for the Middlesex DA's office. His salary was well below what he could earn in private practice. He became the first deputy and in addition to being an excellent prosecutor, he set up the first rape counseling office, a victim rights program and worked with underprivileged youth to lower the risk of juvenile crime. Kerry, his wife and daughters likely lived on far less money at this time when he was in his mid 30s than Edwards, the trial lawyer did.

Kerry did later work for a few years as a trial lawyer and made very good money, but he very quickly decided that the work was unsatisfying and returned to public service as Lt Governor. Shortly afterwords, John Kerry became Senator.

During the first decade that John Kerry, in his 40s, was a Senator, he was one of the poorest Senators. The expense of having apartments in Boston and DC, child support, and the cost of traveling between Boston and DC every week to be with his daughters was extremely hard to meet. One Boston magazine in 2004, had a small item in one column where a current resident in one of the apartments Kerry rented joked that when he heard Kerry had lived there, he couldn't imagine that Kerry could ever have lived in the very small apartment that he found too small. As whatever savings he had were used up and Kerry had to depend on his salary alone, he dropped one apartment or the other and slept on friends' couches. His Senate work and being with his daughters were clearly the most important things in his life. Oh, in his 40s the Edwards were living the wealthy life their earnings gave them.

John Kerry did eventually inherit money when his parents passed away and he married Teresa.

( WEL - remember what I said about my daughter's strange dislike of EE - I get more impressed by the kid every day.)

[beachmom]

18. Totally awesome, Karynnj!

And I even learned a couple of things from your post.

I got bored of that thread after a while. EE's remarks were silly and ridiculous and her apologists were rather pathetic.

[Blaukraut]

19. a fine post! n/t

[wisteria]

20. Wonderful. I really didn't know all these things about him. Gee,

this would make a great presidential story.

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. Yes - this comment did prove her prescient, didn't it?

I am not happy she's been proved right - and likely neither is she - but her instincts were on the money.

[fedupinBushcountry]

24. Hmmmm

"( WEL - remember what I said about my daughter's strange dislike of EE - I get more impressed by the kid every day.)"

Funny, my daughter said the same thing about Kate. My daughter went to a forum with Vanessa, Alex, Andre and Kate Edwards, at her college in '04.

Of course I asked her loads of questions about it. One of those questions was how were all of them, were they down to earth, just like you and their peers, so tell me more. She extremely liked all the Kerry kids,but thought that Kate Edwards was uppity, and Kate was her age. She just said there was an air about her, that she was better then most, and she did not sense that at all with the Kerry kids.

[karynnj]

30. Did any one save the Boston Herald article

about Vanessa and that Roxbury woman who was killed. This shows the same values her dad has. Kerry's children's mother's family was even richer than hers. In the article Vanessa mentioned that in spite of the fact that their backgrounds were different - that didn't stop them from having a good time sharing their time together.

Even though it's Vanessa, not John - that sorry and that specific comment hits the real issue. Vanessa didn't have to be middle to upper middle class($28,000 in NC in 1976) rather than rich, to connect with this girl and to have the long term relationship with her.

Also, oh-so-posh John Kerry went to pretty impressive lengths to help Del Sandusky when he was on the streets, drinking and on the verge of killing himself - I guess Kerry didn't know that he couldn't connect outside his social group.

[benny05]

36. I Saw that

My sense was that it was Cate's first gig in front of cameras, and that she was nervous. The Kerry daughters were more experienced, and it showed.

[fedupinBushcountry]

38. My daughter was there

and met them all, that was just her response and her thoughts.

[Island Blue]

29. I'm very disappointed in Mrs. Edwards.

She might want to rethink this "We're really poor Southern white trash, just like you" strategy because I don't know that it's gonna work. Hell, I don't care if someone as rich as long as they serve the American people well. Where would most of our current middle-class families be without FDR (who wasn't exactly living in the poor house before he became president).

Further more (since this was aimed at JK), this statement really pisses me off "...people who live middle-class lives built around their children, Saturday or Sunday soccer, and Friday-night football." I seem to remember many accounts of how early in his senate career, JK would fly from DC to Boston each week so he could be with his kids AND TO WATCH THEIR SPORTING EVENTS! Wow! That was mighty middle-class of him. (Am I remembering correctly that that was one reason why some folks in Washington never really took a shine to JK - because he was always flying off on the weekends to be with his kids rather than staying in town?)


Edit because of cast typing difficulties.

[blm]

32. That's a fair point to make.

Kerry was ostracized more than anyone in DC for years for his investigations which were VERY UNPOPULAR. Elizabeth may be totally unaware of what he went through. Maybe she just didn't pay attention to governance at the time.

[benny05]

33. Misleading Thread Title Here and On the GD

I was so hoping you weren't going to do this here. As I supported Kerry/Edwards last time, I want to say my piece.

Elizabeth Edwards hints at Kerrys' 'lifestyle problem' in Q&A

There is nothing that says that in the Time piece. She does not say they have a lifestyle problem. That's absurd.

Additionally absurd is the interviewer's question about the plush lifestyle of the Kerrys--that is misleading as well. We don't know since it was in writing if that was the exact answer or not or the exact question either.

To me, what I read, but it was not literally written:

What are the differences in how the Kerry's and Edwards' spend their respective wealth-- since Edwards has said he was blessed with everything he could want. That is more appropriate question in this instance.

Now let's look at EAE's answer again:

EDWARDS: It's a different kind of luxury, I think. I know the people whose artwork is on my walls--they're not the old masters. I shop at Target. We eat at Wendy's (on their wedding anniversary, which they do each year--it's in the book--my note). Even though we have a lot and I feel very blessed, we are basically the same people we were when we first started out and made, between us, $28,000 a year.

Where they haven't changed either: Elizabeth still wears the $11 ring John gave her when they married. But Elizabeth and John will tell you they just built a new home and there's quite a bit of space in it on a good chunk of property outside of Chapel Hill, not too far where JRE works at UNC-Chapel Hill.

Yes, Elizabeth chooses to go to Target or Costco when she could go to more expensive stores, but she doesn't want to. I don't think she is criticizing THK or her family. It's just a difference of how they approach spending their money.

But we are all missing the point here.

Instead of passing judgment on both Kerry and Edwards' campaign, which many of us at the DU have strong opinions about, it's more important to focus on that Elizabeth is finally cancer-free and she beat it. The Kerrys were very supportive of them when they found out that Elizabeth had cancer. It was heartbreaking for all of them (and to all of us) to lose an election and have to whisk Elizabeth off to Mass General/Dana Farber to confirm their worst fears: she had breast cancer.

I looked up the poster to see other threads, and I noticed the poster doesn't come here very often, in fact I couldn't find anything, and it made me wonder if s/he was stirring up the pot, especially as there were quite a few threads today about JK contemplating another run.

So, Elizabeth did not trash the Kerrys. The only negative thing I saw in the book was that the K/E campaign folks were not prepared to give her much in the way of resources for a staff to help her campaign for JK/JRE. I'm guessing they were trying to keep the costs down, but considering EAE was a star on the campaign trail, it's a miracle she had a loyal staff. She did a fantastic job explaining Kerry's views and regulations that strangled our country...or that were too loose. No one could explain tax code like she could, as one saw in Harrisburg, PA.

Lastly, she didn't forget any of you when you sent her a note on the Prayers for Elizabeth site, that was later turned into a booklet that a JREG person compiled and sent to her. It's mentioned on page 321 of her book.

I can see how you all would be upset, but truly, this is BS doin' by someone. To me, it was to pit this community against others, and you noticed the Clarkies jumped in. Jeepers...wonder why.

I suggest reading EAE's book, Saving Graces, to get a better look at them and at her as a person, and to watch Oprah Winfrey's show today. See earlier thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ... .

Thanks for reading, and while I'm sorry to see you all in a tissy at the moment, you all illustrate how passionate you feel for a John Kerry Presidential run in 2008. And that's a good thing.

[beachmom]

34. Regardless of all of the political fights to come, you may not sell me on

Edwards, but you have sold me on yourself, as a gracious person who never forgets to show empathy and impeccably good manners. It's been my pleasure knowing you on DU.

P.S. -- I missed Oprah, unfortunately. that would have been interesting.

[benny05]

35. I hope to continue fruitful conversations

And I still like JK's work. He is doin' some good work about election reform in the Senate, and helping more candidates like Jim Webb to get into the Senate.

[sandnsea]

37. Passing blurb

I took it to mean that it's different kinds of wealth. John & Teresa's wealth is handed down from many generations. Who knows when those "old masters" were even acquired, could have been eons ago. So they have them now. I've read about Teresa, she is just as comfortable hopping off a campaign bus and shopping at the local drug store as anybody. In fact, I wrote an LTTE that got published in People to that affect. I think the statement goes more to the difference between rich and wealth than anything else. I saw snippets of her on Oprah, I was babysitting so I didn't get to catch it all, but they seemed as gracious as ever. I hope they don't decide to turn on the Kerry's, but then again, I wasn't out there on the campaign trail either. Maybe they have legitimate gripes, I don't know.

[WildEyedLiberal]

39. Thanks for your thoughts benny

I admit that I thought of you when this all went down, and though I was disappointed in the comments, I know your admiration and respect for the Edwardses is as deep and true as ours is for Kerry. I don't suddenly dislike Elizabeth now or anything - and I do admit that the DU thread was very provocatively titled. I have a feeling this crap is only going to get worse, too. :(

You do Edwards a great deal of credit with your passionate yet calm advocacy for him, and I'm glad you stop by the Kerry forum every now and then.

Oh, and go David Gill!

[benny05]

58. David Gill Rocks

Rally for him in West Champaign Park..near downtown Champaign on Sat.!

[TayTay]

40. Thanks benny!

You have never been anything less than gracious here and I think you are right here. The same press that gets it wrong on just about all Democrats probably got it wrong on Elizabeth Edwards, whom I genuinely like. (Ahm, I would vote for her any day, btw. I wrote in another thread that I thought she was a class act and I was very surprised to see the wording of this in the original article.)

I also think that this torture debate has brought out the worst in everyone at DU and across the liberal web. We have had extremely lively discussions about it here on this forum and it basically unnerves people. (OMG, they are talking about allowing torture, wiretapping Americans without warrant and holding people in prison without benefit of legal recourse. If that doesn't put you in a snarly, bad-tempered mood, I don't know what will.)

Thanks for your graciousness and patience. You are right, the media is a two-faced animal that will at any given moment twist anyone's words. I will withhold any more comments on this matter until actual facts appear and should have done so from the beginning. Sigh!

What a crappy day.

[wisteria]

41. Thank you, I am humbled. I will try to remember to consider the

source before jumping into the argument.

[FrenchieCat]

44. oh yes.....How gracious you are!

I Did a search on "Clark" as I do in most of the heavier traffic forums (if you don't mind) just to see what's was happening and I get to read your comment"you noticed the Clarkies jumped in. Jeepers...wonder why.

No, I didn't notice this.

I read a lot from Kerry supporters, but didn't notice a heavy presence of Clark supporters in that thread at GD.

since apparently individuals who may support Wes Clark are not allowed to make any comments on threads with Edwards' name in it without being trashed....could you name the Clarkies that jumped in? I know I commented, but I don't understand how that would be against the "rules" to do so.

At this point, I'd like to know what Clarkies are you referring to...cause ?

Thanks.

[ProSense]

46. Could you please use PM for this and

not the JK forum! Please!

[FrenchieCat]

51. What do I do, PM the whole forum?

I didn't realize that I wasn't allowed to defend myself...even if it was as though one was talking behind my back in a particular forum while busy "soothing" sore feelings as though it was part of a a PR campaign!

.....But thanks for the valiant defense of an unjustified attacks by an Edward supporter based on a thread that talked about what Elizabeth Edwards had to say in an interview. Yes, thank you all!

[ProSense]

52. No, the person who wrote the post! Thank you! n/t

[FrenchieCat]

54. I couldn't tell, sorry. While everybody is saying "thank you" to

Benny for making it all better while he not so subtly trashed Clarkies.....I could have sworn your response was to my post....as that is how it showed up on the thread.

Anyways, I've said my piece. Sorry for intruding and making a positive thread go bad. Next time, I'll just let folks use Clarkies as a punching bag, excuses....or What-E-ver. :eyes:

[WildEyedLiberal]

55. Look, most of us didn't even pay attention to that

We were, as you can see by this thread, upset by the Elizabeth Edwards statements. benny05 posts in here pretty frequently so many of us have conversed with her before. When she posted her clarification, we took it in the spirit it was meant - a conciliatory post towards some of her upset friends. I'm so sorry we didn't ream her over the coals for an off-the-cuff remark about Clark that I for one skimmed over and didn't even really pay attention to.

You are way out of line here, and if you have issues with benny's statement - and I'm not saying you aren't entitled to have issues with it - you need to take it up with her, and not fucking blame all of us for not attacking her in the Kerry forum. Thanks.

[FrenchieCat]

56. Sorry!

I'm way out of line!

My initial post in here didn't suggest that Kerry supporters should have in any way defended Clarkies or even noticed the slur. I was responding directly to Benny and letting him know that it ain't ok.

After my initial post, however, I was told that I should take it outside (via a PM to Benny, I guess)....although Benny trashed Clarkies inside (which of course no one noticed--I mean, we're talking Clarkies, afterall)....

Only after responding to being told that I couldn't have equal time did I suggest that I'm kind of surprised that folks can say anything they want about Clarkies, with nary a notice. Once I responded to Prosense, guess folks still didn't notice.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised, although I was.

But hey, I'm gone!

Bye!

[JI7]

60. i do think some of the attacks on Clark or Clark supporters on

there are unfair. i think the response from ProSense and WEL to your reply to Benny was meant more to avoid a flamewar which it would have led to. especially in this forum which has nothing to do with them.

but i don't think anyone agrees with the unfair attacks on Clark . some of us don't agree with his explanation of Edwards comments on Kerry either. at least i don't.

don't take it personally or think we are agreeing with everything or anything said in that post you replied to.

[JI7]

53. i don't think that's what prosense was doing

but just trying to avoid an Edwards/Clark flamewar from breaking out in this forum.

[politicasista]

47. Thanks benny!

:yourock:

[_dynamicdems]

57. I think everyone is very sensitive right now because all of the

piling on Kerry by other Dems that we've been seeing since the filibuster of Alito. Dems were snarky and far from supportive, although most grudgingly voted for the filibuster because they were flooded with faxes and phone calls.

Then the Kerry-Feingold-Boxer Iraq amendment brought criticism from just about every Democrat out there (other than the few brave souls who voted for it). And just recently, the Clintons are starting with the Kerry didn't fight the Swiftboaters and is weak implications.

This was a last straw for me. The poster may have ulterior motives and I loathe the particular breed of Clarkie that will cut the throat of any Democrat who isn't General Clark. That said, I'm still not thrilled that Elizabeth Edwards would make such statements. She's not a stupid woman. Far from it. So she had to know that her words would be used to hurt John Kerry, who she stated was so supportive of her.

Let me put it this way: if her husband announces he's not running and if he throws his support to Kerry (assuming Kerry does run), then I'll reconsider my suspicions about her motives.

[Jai4WKC08]

63. "...the particular breed of Clarkie that will cut the throat...

"...of any Democrat who isn't General Clark."

Care to provide an example? That's a pretty gross accusation without some sort of back-up.

[_dynamicdems]

65. Not all, but some. And we have seen it. Just look around.

These are the people who jump into threads about other candidates (or possible candidates) and post against topic. They have two things to say: that they are voting for Clark (good for them, he's a good man) and then they trash whoever the other individual the thread is about (not good for them or of them). It is one thing to support your candidate. It is another to seek out others and destroy.

[globalvillage]

42. Hmmm...

Didn't I hear somewhere that Sen Kerry has a thing for Burger King? I remember that, cause it's my favorite (and there was a joke there I won't repeat).

EE shops at Target? Well, as much as I think she's very likely a wonderful person, her taste is a little shocking and hugely disappointing. The thought of the Oval Office done up in 'Martha Stewart Home' is pretty scary. Poor Jackie is probably rolling over at the (unlikely) possibility.
Sorry, Elizabeth. Shopping at cheap retailers doesn't make you middle class. Besides, your money would be better spent supporting local businesses.
Brush the cobwebs off your checkbook and hit the mall. It's not as bad as Wal-Mart, but Target kinda sucks.

[JI7]

45. someone posted on DU about a friend that met Kerry at Burger King

i remember i posted the link to it on this forum.

but none of that really matters as much as the fact that Kerry understands the struggle of other people. it's not about where Kerry shops or eats but that he understands he has a choice . he knows he is luckier than many when it comes to getting by in life. that many who work just as hard or even harder than he does do not have nearly as much as he does and struggle. and he has and wants to continue working to get a fair deal for everyone.

[globalvillage]

48. It's very serious in here today.

I fear I came in late to a discussion much more intense than I expected.

[JI7]

49. i just got in also

havne't looked at everything. but i know how DU can be. i just try to ignore a lot of things i don't want to deal with. especially the Kerry threads in the other forums.

[politicasista]

50. It really is n/t

[sandnsea]

61. Besides, po' folk shop at the dollar store these days n/t

[JI7]

62. meanwhile Mark Warner attacks Kerry for not reaching out to wealthy people

and alienating them by wanting to raise their taxes . never mind that it would mean Kerry's own taxes would go up, especially his wife's .

i notice some people who love to repeat right wing lies about Kerry's life also hate it when him or others bring up his service in Vietnam.

i see there is some ass on that thread going off on the skull and bones thing. i hope people like this actively go out campaign against Kerry by telling people they should not vote for him because of the top secret fraternity that he belonged to that "nobody knows about" while telling them about the horrible things they do "that nobody knows about" .

[wisteria]

64. He gets attacked from all ends, and yet, he remains popular

and has the most loyal supporters.:-)