Clinton most qualified Dem or Rep to be CIC?

[karynnj]

Gee - I guess Wesley Clark, John Kerry, Chuch Hagel and John McCain should go to Hillary to learn about the military. After all she just spent part of a day in Iraq. (this reminds me of those Holiday Inn express commercials.

So, we have the McAuliffe speaking of foreign policy; the head of Emily's list speaking of CIC - real credentials there!

quote:
"“I would say she is more qualified to be commander in chief than any other Democrat or Republican running, given her years of international experience and her work with the military,” said Ellen R. Malcolm, the president of Emily’s List, a political and fund-raising organization that endorsed Mrs. Clinton yesterday."http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/us/politics/21dems.html?hp&ex=1169442000&en=3a58675662e8aec3&ei=5094&partner=homepage

The NYT article starts by saying she is the most battle tested. (by marriage ?) I think Kerry or Gore would disagree.

[ginnyinWI]

1. maybe they mean out of the group so far...

...meaning Obama, Kucinich, Vilsack, Edwards? But when you add the other guys(and one in particular) in, she's no match. IMO, there's nothing to compare with being an actual combat veteran and knowing the stakes first hand.

[MarjorieG]

2. They've been rounding up support for years.

Lives in NY, and DC, around so much power. Be interesting to watch womens' groups, but I think she has honest support from them on her issues of children and the arts. Having a failed beginning to health care is also a good cred.

That just means she's capable, not CIC material.

She is definitely comfortable with whatever her team does, jumping over others for a takedown. Met people in my own sphere who find her growing on them,saying she's working the ropes, gaining advantage, but they admit the press has been pushing their perception.

I've said before, if it has to be a Dem, for people like Murdoch, they would just as soon go with Bill3, and his ability to make deals.

[JI7]

7. and that's why Clintons want to keep the field as it is now

it's easy to stand out as more experienced among those just running right now.

if Gore, Clark , or Kerry got in that would no longer be true and you would have to actually debate the issues and tell where you stand.

[sandnsea]

3. Holiday Inn commercial, lol

A whole jib jab thing runs through my mind, Hillary in camos, "I just spent a day in Iraq!".

We have DC power whores and a country full of people who have no clue how this power aligns to lie and manipulate them. Argh.

And Hillary did not grow up middle class. Her father was a business executive and I've never heard her say she got grants or federal loans to go to college. I am so sick of the top 10% pretending they're the struggling middle.

[wisteria]

4. You know, that remark about her being middle class bothered me too.

I wasn't sure, but it just didn't sound right to me and I was going to check on it. Thanks for filling me in.

[karynnj]

5. It depends how you define middle class

I know that sounds Clintonist, but there is a huge range of people who see themselves as middle class. There is no agreed upon definition. Also, is upper middle class part of middle class - in NJ, upper middle class includes people who make well over $100,000. Even if her dad was an executive in a small textile company, he could have brought home no more than a middle manager in a large corporation. From her autobiography, they were not wealthy, but comfortable.

The truth is that neither she nor Bill were wealthy until they wrote their books. He was one of the poorest Presidents and, for most of his/her lives didn't own a house. John Edwards dad was a mill foreman and he was poorer, but does that really matter? By the time he was in his mid twenties, he was married and they were a 2 attourney family. (as were the Clintons). They made a huge amount of money, did little or no pro bono work and by their 30s were millionaires.

Hillary was at least as good a lawyer as Edwards, but living in Little Rock limited her earning potential and Bill Clinton had a very low salary as Governor. (This led to investments like the "cattle future" deal that over night turned (I think $5000) to $100,000) )

Hillary is playing politics, but so is John Edwards - both are saying they had to work to get where they are. That is true - but so did almost everyone else. Kerry worked harder to get to where he is politically than either - he was not someone mentored to get the Lt Governor, Senate seat, or the nomination. (Edwards had to work to get his Senate seat too. If Hillary were Hillary Smith, she would not have been the 2000 Democratic canddiate for Senate.) He also had very little positive media help.

Having worked in a large corporation, I understand that John Kerry's connections, even with no wealth behind him, were golden. If his goal were to become wealthy, those connections, his Yale diploma, his talent, and his war hero status would have made him the fastest fast tracker in any company. He didn't choose that. He actually had far less money than Edwards for most of his adult life. He is correct in not pointing to the fact that he was not wealthy, because his lack of income did affect his standing as one of the social elite. If he had ever had a finacial need, his family would have found a way to help.

[sandnsea]

6. Upper 10% is not middle class

I'm sick of the meandering justifications of the upper income to feel sorry for themselves.

I didn't say either one of them was rich or wealthy. But she isn't and never was middle class.

There's a huge difference between foreman and executive too.