Hillary Tries To Imitate Kerry on Iraq

[Dr Ron]

Hillary Clinton is trying to explain the IWR vote the way Kerry did, except in her case she is doing so years after the fact, while Kerry made his position clear at the time. Discussion of this at Liberal Values:

http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=929

[ginnyinWI]

1. I noticed that--

she's picked up a lot of his terminology to describe how we should get out of Iraq, too. Stuff he said a long time ago.

[whometense]

2. I noticed it too -

I find her just unimpressive. Good article in the Globe today about her triangulation tactics: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/01/23/08_campaign_draws_on_the_careful_clinton_centrism?mode=PF

...From her autobiography, "Living History," it's clear that her liberal reputation stems largely from the get-used-to-it attitude she developed as a woman pushing her way forward in Arkansas; feminism may be a dominant strain in her ideology, but so too is the Main Street conservatism of her beloved father, the owner of a drapery business who followed the Republican line on taxes and spending and self-reliance.

But however sincere she and Bill are in their moderation, their approach to governing is clearly designed to protect them from criticism. The best proof of the existence of the vast right-wing conspiracy is the extent of Bill's and Hillary's efforts to thwart it...

...After eight years of Bill Clinton's presidency, some Americans had grown tired of this song and dance. They yearned for a president who acted on his beliefs without hesitation. Now they're hoping to rein in a president who seems determined to continue an unpopular war in Iraq and perhaps start another one with Iran.

Hillary Clinton is betting that after eight years of George W. Bush, America is yearning for a president who keeps one eye firmly on public opinion.

[wisteria]

7. I don't like this approach. For me, it is more leadership getting things right

than it is me telling them how to do it. If both getting it right and what I think is right come together, than all the better.

[sandnsea]

4. And has moved on from n/t

[karynnj]

5. I was amazed how many phrases she "lifted" completely.

I can see why she and the powers that be want him out.

I noticed on one of the after the SOTU shows that Obama blew the Health Care question babbling that he saw no mechanism to control costs, missing the point Kerry and Dean clearly made that Bush's plan taxes the middle class to pay for it by taxing people who recieve employer paid health insurance. I remember in economics, that some taxes are levied according to who benefits from them (think highway tolls). This turns that concept on its head, it has a program paid for exclusively by those who do not benefit by it. That should really work.

(Dean by the way referenced Kerry's catastraphic insurance as a good idea in his response.

[sandnsea]

3. She doesn't call out Bush's lies

And she doesn't call for withdrawal or a timeline. Criticizing the execution and not the war itself, or the lies, was the Clinton plan in 2004. Hillary is still going down that path. We'll just have a replay of BCCI if she gets into office. They will not challenge Republicans on anything serious.

[blm]

6. I hear Hillary, Obama and Edwards lifting positions and phrases from both Kerry

and Clark on many issues they have been talking about the last 3 or 4 years.