At peace, but a troubling thought lingers

[politicasista]

Back when pronoungate happened and Hil came out against Kerry, my father told me that was a sign that the Clintonistas were going to take the party over again. Why? Because the Clintons know that the only way to win is to listen, inspire, and motivate AA voters.

Never mind that Kerry got more AA votes than Clinton and Gore did, the bottom line was that Clinton was elected twice because he "related" to AA, listened to Jesse Jackson, Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, and plays the sax, or likes women, or smokes weed. Therefore, my family thinks the Democrats won't win again unless they let AA in on the campaign input, though the facts prove the Kerry had AA working for him, but those will dismiss it as adding more after criticism came out in 04.

I didn't know to post this under the "Thank You" blog but I wanted to because I feel that is what hurt Kerry in 2004. They never got to know the REAL Kerry and Momma T, they just bought into the corporate media spin and the line that ONLY a Clinton or a Clinton-like politician is electable. I know they did because they came out in force during and after the election with the talk that "Senator, you're not fighting hard enough," "Kerry doesn't seem comfortable working with us," "Kerry didn't motivate or inspire his base," blah, blah, blah.

What's pathetic is that those same people (Tom Joyner, Ron Walters, Tavis Smiley) that griped in 04 and echoed those comments, are now pushing for a Clinton presidency or a Clinton/Obama ticket not because of the diversity, but because it would inspire voters to go to the polls and be enthusiastic about their candidate, and that "if you have a ticket with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, you have a very powerful ticket."

That's also why Clinton/Obama are fighting for the AA vote. The "polls" (they are meaningless of course) say that Clinton has the upper hand on that right now because of Bill and people don't know much about Obama.

I don't say much about Kerry around anyone, but my family hopes that the democrats will have a fighter this time and will listen to minorities, because if they do, democrats win. And of course, people will credit Clinton for that. It doesn't matter if he cheated on his wife or ignored genocide in Rwanda, people still defend him. It's really too bad they couldn't defend a war hero in 2004, we would be in a different situation by now.

[blm]

1. Bullshit - people are focking STUPID if they think Clinton sides with black community over the BFEE.

Clinton sided with secrecy and privilege and PROTECTED Poppy Bush on CIA Drugrunning story that came out in 1996.

He sided with Poppy Bush OVER the American people and ESPECIALLY the black community whose cities were TARGETED to be the dumping grounds for the TONS of cheap cocaine that were part of the IranContra dealings of Poppy Bush and his thugs.

When the story broke it was denied, it was downplayed, and the Pulitzer Prize winning reporter was targeted for takedown. Gary Webb was called a liar and a fantasist. The story dropped like a rock. Two years later CIA documents finally released showed the report was true, but few media outlets bothered to acknowledge it.

That was Bill Clinton's WH actively covering up for Poppy - siding with secrecy and privilege over the black communities devastated by that deliberate targeting of drugs and sanctioned by government figures.

BET documentary can be a good start for your parents and friends if they really care about TRUTH. American Gangster. Watch it and spread it around.

If Tavis or any of those so-called leaders want to even TRY and deny it, then they are sold out to the elite.

[politicasista]

2. I always tell them that Clinton is hanging with Bush for a reason

but it just comes across as a reminder for Bill to stay out to of the Bushes (no pun intended).

Unfortunately, AA have the perception that politics is a game of, to put it bluntly, not doing shit. That's why there is the perception that both parties are the same cause they lie, cheat, and steall.

In their eyes, Clinton may have gotten head, but it didn't effect his abilty to govern or rapport with the AA community. They don't care about the issues, just as long as your one of them, you are cool. We saw that during Mrs. King's funeral, they just want to see Bill again, and it doesn't matter if they covered up for Bush. They would just dismiss it as "conspriacy talk." It doesn't matter if Hillary sided with Bush, Rove instead of Kerry, they thought the same thing she did, the joke was "inappropriate" and that next time Kerry should leave the jokes to the comedians or Al Sharpton.

As I have said they have bought into the line that ONLY a Clinton or charismatic politician is electable and can fix the mess. That's why they would support Hillary.

[blm]

4. You didn't say ONE WORD about coverup he committed AGAINST the black community?

That's insane that any black person would shrug their shoulders and excuse Clinton for it.

Insane. And frankly, unbelievable. Only people who never knew the story would think Clinton was there for them.

Anyone who knows the story and still supports Clinton is a sellout.

[politicasista]

5. I did, honest

but this kind of talk falls on deaf ears. I have posted things about this at other blogs, but it goes unanswered. I even sent an e-mail to the DNC about McAwful's smear attack on Kerry with his book.

At least Sharpton is one of the few that sees them for who they are.

[blm]

6. How could it fall on deaf ears after the American Gangster documentary on BET?

The BET boards say it is their Gangster series has been the most popular series they've ever run, and the shows have caused more forum discussions than any other topic.

Hard to believe that people missed the crucial DATE of when the story came out and was covered up by a willing WH - - 1996.

[politicasista]

8. Believe it or not

people who may not follow politics as close as we do and get their news from the newspapers or cable news were spoilied by Clinton because of eight years of peace and prosperity. There were alot of "Can we elect Bill Clinton again?" comments in 2004 (i.e. comedian John Henton and a few others).

I saw the American Gangster series (the one with Kerry). I even told them how good it was and to show it again.

The political blogger Pam Gentry even defended Kerry with a piece called "Troops Not The Only Ones Deserving Apology." And when Bill was on Tom Joyner Morning Show, he and his gang, laughed at Kerry for the joke, and Bill defended him calling him a bonafide war hero.

I know this discussion isn't going anywhere or making sense, but you did ask a question in Vektor's thread the other day. If Bush was so beatable, whey didn't Hillary or others run in 2004?


Here's Ms. Gentry's article if you're intersted:

http://www.bet.com/News/PAMELASBLOGJOHNKERRY.htm?wbc_purpose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished&Referrer=%7B9EF011F8-39DF-4B63-8B72-E4F4D5352BA1%7D

[blm]

10. Nope. Don't believe it.

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[politicasista]

11. I don't understand

What is there not to believe? What I wrote above is what I heard and saw in 2004, whether we like it or not, I still think this is one of the reasons Kerry isn't in the WH.

This is a losing battle, so I will go cool off now.

[blm]

12. I don't believe that people shut themselves off so deliberately from REAL information

that especially effected the black community.

And the fact that it isn't an issue one would go to battle for AS a black person furious over that certain - CERTAIN - betrayal.

[politicasista]

13. They don't

and you and I are not the only ones that feel that way.

[BlueIris]

3. I, too, am calm, but I'm having *many* troubling thoughts today.

It was like the Universe was all, "'kay, now that you've had a chance to deal...here's the downside."

[wisteria]

7. Seems like to many in the AA community are taken in by slick, over emotional

phony politicians. The Bill Clinton did very little for AA. Just look at Welfare Reform. Apparently, not enough AA's are informed of the truth and believe the lies. Senator Kerry has always been very supportive of the AA community.The Clinton's make promises but never follow through, because they think no one will check on whether they have kept their promises.

[politicasista]

9. Exactly n/t

[MBS]

17. too many in the white community are taken in by slick phony politicians, too

Sometimes I think our whole country has gone brain-dead.

[cadmium]

14. I have a question about the support

I work with a number of African American co-workers. They really didnt like Clinton much in the beginning then as the right wing attacks got louder they became more sympathetic. The Monica Lewinsky affair and impeachment pile-on was what swung them to firmly sticking up for him. My close friend at work said that it reminded him of the history of using sexual charges to attack winning african - american men like Jack Johnson.

[dailykoff]

15. Let's not forget Sister Souljah and Ricky Ray Rector.

When it's politically convenient to villify and/or murder people of color, the Clintons don't waste time. See Mrs. "torture is acceptable under the right conditions" Clinton.

[politicasista]

16. Yep n/t