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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:01 AM
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DO you know how Kerry voted on this?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:16 AM
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1. He voted NO, as did Feingold.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:20 AM
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2. And voted 'Yeah' to the Durbin amendment
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 10:23 AM by TayTay
Chafee is being a little disingenuous here.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00236

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Durbin Amdt. No. 4865 )
Vote Number: 236 Vote Date: October 10, 2002, 04:48 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4865 to S.Amdt. 4856 to S.J.Res. 45
Statement of Purpose: To amend the authorization for the use of the Armed Forces to cover an imminent threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction rather than the continuing threat posed by Iraq.


Vote Counts: YEAs 30
YEAs ---30
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)


This is also a critical amendment. This would have limited the authorization to the WMDs. Instead the broader authorization was about the imminent and ongoing threat of Iraq. There is a world of difference in those two things.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:35 AM
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3. Thanks for the answers
Any comments on the Levin alternative that Chafee is talking about? From his description it sounded a good alternative. I am sorry, but I was not following close enough at the time to remember anything about this. I saw that there was a discrepancy of one vote between Levin and IWRm and was hoping that that one vote was Kerry's.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 10:49 AM
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4. There were a lot of resolutions that were considered
Edited on Thu Mar-01-07 10:52 AM by TayTay
Including one from Sen. Byrd that sought to reassert the power of Congress, and Congress alone, to declare war. His resolution would have severely limited what happened and draw back the power that was given to Bush. Sigh! The votes on this and links to the relevent bills are at the Senate site: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_107_2.htm


This is what Sen. Kerry voted for, in his own words:

I would have preferred that the President agree to the approach drafted by Senators Biden and Lugar because that resolution would authorize the use of force for the explicit purpose of disarming Iraq and countering the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

The Biden-Lugar resolution also acknowledges the importance of the President's efforts at the United Nations. It would require the President, before exercising the authority granted in the resolution, to send a determination to Congress that the United States tried to seek a new Security Council resolution or that the threat posed by Iraq's WMD is so great he must act absent a new resolution--a power, incidentally, that the President of the United States always has.

I believe this approach would have provided greater clarity to the American people about the reason for going to war and the specific grant of authority. I think it would have been a better way to do this. But it does not change the bottom line of what we are voting for.

The administration, unwisely, in my view, rejected the Biden-Lugar approach. But, perhaps as a nod to the sponsors, it did agree to a determination requirement on the status of its efforts at the United Nations. That is now embodied in the White House text.

The President has challenged the United Nations, as he should, and as all of us in the Senate should, to enforce its own resolutions vis-a-vis Iraq. And his administration is now working aggressively with the Perm 5 members on the Security Council to reach a consensus. As he told the American people Monday night:


America wants the U.N. to be an effective organization that helps keep the peace. And that is why we are urging the Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough, immediate requirements.


Because of my concerns, and because of the need to understand, with clarity, what this resolution meant, I traveled to New York a week ago. I met with members of the Security Council and came away with a conviction that they will indeed move to enforce, that they understand the need to enforce, if Saddam Hussein does not fulfill his obligation to disarm.

And I believe they made it clear that if the United States operates through the U.N., and through the Security Council, they--all of them--will also bear responsibility for the aftermath of rebuilding Iraq and for the joint efforts to do what we need to do as a consequence of that enforcement.

I talked to Secretary General Kofi Annan at the end of last week and again felt a reiteration of the seriousness with which the United Nations takes this and that they will respond.

If the President arbitrarily walks away from this course of action--without good cause or reason--the legitimacy of any subsequent action by the United States against Iraq will be challenged by the American people and the international community. And I would vigorously oppose the President doing so.

When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable. And the administration, I believe, is now committed to a recognition that war must be the last option to address this threat, not the first, and that we must act in concert with allies around the globe to make the world's case against Saddam Hussein.

As the President made clear earlier this week, ``Approving this resolution does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable.'' It means ``America speaks with one voice.''

Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.

In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out.

If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a grave, imminent--and I emphasize ``imminent''--threat to this country which requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate national security needs.


Also, I beg you, refresh your memory on what really happened http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/ct-voters-should-remember_b_31385.html
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