How did Kerry even come close with "supporters" like these

[LittleClarkie]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=184777&mesg_id=185794&page=

I tried to remain civil, but good grief! He didn't pass my "smell" test. I was asking essentially what he was basing his opinion of Kerry on. The answer came back, near as I can tell, on him being an establishment politician.

And... that's it? Bzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.

How did we even come close to winning with people not taking the time to know their own candidate, and going on information "any 8 year old could see in 10 minutes"? Great, a mentality like a politicized 8 year old.


Sorry, had to vent, and didn't want to do it all over this guy on the board. I may not convince him, but I might convince someone else who's reading. So I try not to blow my stack... in public that is.

[JohnKleeb]

1. It certainly is annoying

The truth is that there are probably are more Bush supporters like that, people who really do hate John Kerry for telling the truth about the Iraq War.

[New Earth]

2. dude just ignore him

there is nothing anyone can say to get him stop. i used to have him on ignore, but i'd rather read his posts for entertainment. Obviously Kerry has done something horrible to him and he isn't over it :eyes:

[paulk]

3. is that our friend "badhead" again?

he's had it in for Kerry all along. I got into a particularly vicious exchange with him sometime this summer and have ignored him ever since.

Other people do read these arguments, so I guess it's worth it to take the time to make "mal"-contents like our friend look foolish, but it sure gets tiring. And it's real hard to keep your anger in check after awhile.

BTW - I thought the bit about organizations like move-on not believing in democracy was spot on -

[sandnsea]

4. 242 votes

That's what I just read the recount of 86 counties has turned up, 2 more counties to go. Extrapolate that out and it's 10,000 votes, if I'm not mistaken. Unless somebody can find a person who tampered with the software or the machines, or find a systematic error on several machines, we've got a weak case on election fraud.

Voter oppression is atrocious, but there are also no letters or emails that prove it was orchestrated through the Bush/Cheney campaign or the RNC.

I know people have fervent belief that this election was stolen and that somehow fraud is going to be exposed and Kerry will be inaugurated. I'd say that's counting on a miracle. I had hoped we might turn up more votes during the recount, get some of those provisionals looked at, that sort of thing. But it just doesn't look like it's happening.

Conceding is how it's been done in this country for a very long time now and I just do not fault Kerry for doing that. We need to keep working on election reform, but I don't think you can go back and calculate people who left the polls into an election win.

[ginnyinWI]

14. it's the exit polls that keep bothering me

they are so far from the reported tally that you can't attribute it to "margin of error". I'm waiting for someone to explain the discrepency to me.

[JI7]

5. that person never supported Kerry and was happy Tom Daschle lost

[GRLMGC]

6. Eww

I remember after Nov 2, someone posted a story that some Swiftboat douchebag wanted to challenge Kerry for his Senate seat and someone answered that a Kerry loss would mean nothing just like a Daschle loss was nothing. What kind of idiotic logic is that. Yeah, let's be happy to lose some Democratic seats. grrrrr.
I know it's offtopic but your post reminded me of that :)

[JI7]

7. some people just don't think certain issues are important

some people don't think fighting for Native Americans , for gay rights, for abortion rights is important. the fact Daschle HAS been fighting for these things while John Thune opposes them and yet these people think Daschle's loss was nothing indicates they don't care for those issues Daschle fought for.

[GRLMGC]

8. Grrrr

Now I'm even more flustered.

[JohnKleeb]

10. Now I feel good for defending Daschle

I don't think he should have been our party leader but thats no reflection on Tom, its a reflection on the state he's rrom, he was very pro choice and pro gay rights for a red stater, and he did stand up for native americans which is something dems should do.

[JI7]

12. yup, while Daschle's loss may be "nothing" to some of the people on here

it was a huge loss and a set back for the native americans in the state. daschle always came through for them with funding to help them.

but under the bush administration and republican controlled congress they purposely prevented this from passing because they wanted to hurt daschle. they wanted the native americans to feel nothing was being done for them so they don't go out and vote for daschle. but daschle was doing something, it was the republicans who stopped him. and too bad some democrats were attacking him this whole time also.

and now daschle is gone and they have one less person fighting for them and instead have someone who opposes them like john thune.

[JohnKleeb]

13. Yep

Daschle really wasn't as bad as he's made out ot be honest, he did a lot of good, the attempts to paint him as a guy who always gave in to the Bush admin are revisionist nonsense Ive thought, this is a guy who took a lot of shit from the right, and it's shame that many on the left treated him like he was on the right, I liked what he said that infuriated republicans on the brink of the Iraq war something like it is regrettable that the president rushed to war. Yes, it is a great shame that we have one less fighter now that Daschle is gone, and even more a shame for the Native Americans because many native americans live in states represented by two republicans in the senate. I really am glad Inoyve came out ok, I expected him to, he's the RMM of Indian Affairs and has been a fighter for them, and I appreciate anyone who will fight for Native Americans because they really do need help.

[JohnKleeb]

9. eww

happy that Daschle lost? jesus christ, I understand why some didn't like him but god, it's a seat, and then Reid becomes the new minority leader, and they hate him too, are they gonna be rooting for Reid's defeat 2010?

[seito]

11. Ahhhh Testy again sigh

It helps to know some history here. So he was never a Kerry supporter. All this time I just thought he was just broken hearted. lol!!!!! He is the much needed comic relief. I don't think very many taking him seriously.

As for widespread fraud. I believe it happened. Even if it didn't, the fact that our election system would leave anyone in doubt that their vote was counted accurately is reason enough for further investigation.

I believe that John Kerry was right to concede on Nov 3rd, although I was very upset that day. With a difference of over 130,000 votes... He ran the analysis and knew that the provisionals and absentee ballots would not make a difference. He promised to make sure that every vote would be counted and I trust that he will do exactly that. I also believe that he will pursue the fraud investigation and fight to reform our election system.

People here do not realize who their allies are. They also fail to recognize the enemy. That attitude leaves us very much divided and it is no wonder that we can't win an election beyond the margin of fraud.

JMHO

[New Earth]

15. i need somewhere to vent real quick

without mentioning names, DEAN LOST, GET OVER IT!!!!!

(and he lost a looooong time ago) :hi:

[GRLMGC]

16. Gah

Seriously! People need to get over that. There was no conspiracy to get him. His campaign mismanaged all the money they got and they ran into trouble. Okay, if he wants to try again, fine, but what is the point in refighting something that can't be undone. It's pointless and a waste of time.

[LittleClarkie]

18. And then there's a certain "mad" person

Oh good lord. Words fail. "Why won't you agree with me and get it over with? Why do you insist in arguing?" Oh, maybe because we're on a "discussion" board?

Really, some of what is getting in Dean's way is his own supporters. I was told by some staffers in the campaign that the Dean people would come in and you could tell they had no real idea how to canvass or do the other things that need doing in a campaign. Very clueless and disorganized.

Even stranger, those who think Kusinich had a chance. Bless the little garden gnome, he seems to be a nice chap, but, um, no. We'd have been beaten like a read-headed stepchild. And with Dean, I think we'd have been beaten like McGovern. He is just too in your face for mass appeal. But I do think his aggressive style could work in some other capacity.

An in your face centrist could have some uses.

[WildEyedLiberal]

19. Hahahahaha

"Bless the little garden gnome, he seems to be a nice chap, but, um, no."

Oh, dear God, that cracked me up.

[GRLMGC]

20. This "mad" person is insane

I post something asking why Dean is so controversial and this person starts accusing me of attacking them personally. Methinks he/she has issues.

[JohnKleeb]

21. jeez

[GRLMGC]

22. Yeah

I clicked on ignore so fast and I haven't looked back. Damn crazy mofo.

[angrydemocrat]

23. LMAO

The description of Kusinich fits. LOL. I'm going to fess up and hope we don't have any Kusinich supporters here. And if we do I'm not saying this to offend you. But I have always thought the guy was just flat ass weird! And I never seen him as the brightest bulb in the room either. I have been addicted to politics for years and keep up with as much as possible. Althougth I have to say I can tell you alot more about our Senators than I can our Congressmen. But I try to keep up with them to and I have never seen this man as anything to brag about. I'm not saying he's terrible and I don't like the man I'm just saying I have never found him to be one of the brightest bulb in the room and he is flat ass weird I don't care what anyone says. He is stuck in a '70's mindset or something. And the guy looks like a damn elf or something and that is being nice.

I will never forget that damn ugly ass hippie style bus. OMG I use to think this man is out of his damn mind to think that he would have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the presidency because even those that didn't know much about him when they seen that damn bus and some of his supporters acting like a bunch of damn quacks (and yes some acted like quacks to say the least) people would say WTF who is this weirdo? I mean give me a damn break.

I will never forget this one lady (probably late 70's in age) she would come by the campaign headquarters and pick up signs for friends of hers and get the latest news, ect. She looked at me and said Dear, you are smart and seem to always know what your talking about. Answer a question for me. I told her I would try. She said last night I was watching television and they start talking about this jackass I can't remember his name about how he was still hanging in there and wasn't ready to say he was defeated just yet (this was during the primaries) then they showed a picture of him standing in front of this bus that look like something my son would have liked when he was a teen and my son is 59 years old. Who is this jackass? others in the office started laughing because this little lady was a crackerjack. I never caught the name. I told her it sounded as if she was talking about none other than Dennis Kusinch.

She said, hell when I seen this jackass standing there and the reason I say jackass is because all he would have to do is get on his hands and knee's and you pin a tail on him and he is the spitting image of a jackass with those pointy ears and that long nose. Well I couldn't help but to laugh along with others there. She continued talking while the rest of us were laughing. She said, and then you had these people there acting and looking all crazy and this one young lady literally had a sign stuffed down the back of her pants and I know you had to be able to look down her pants and see her ass shining like a new penny. If that were my daughter I would be whooping her ass for such crap it was shameful! Anyway all I could do is think has this country gone mad here? Would they really vote for a jackass that doesn't even have enough brains to get a decent ride and is encouraging such behavior? Tell me this jackass isn't what we will be faced with election day.

All of us were laughing so hard but this little lady was as serious as she could be. I told her I didn't think she had a thing to worry about and I didn't think the country had gone mad yet. Then she said well the sooner I hear that jackass is out of the race the better I will feel and God help us all if this country has to look at that jackass in the White House we would be the laughing stock all around the world and not only cause he looks and acts like a jackass but his mentally is that of one to. I think it is time all them fools that was around him need to get on that jackass and ride him the hell out of town!

Now I didn't tell about this before because I'm always afraid of offending some of guys but I couldn't resist it any longer so please forgive me if this was the man you was supporting. I'm not trying to make anyone mad but if you would have met this little lady she would crack you up!

[sandnsea]

25. So you know

Most DU Kerry supporters were also strong Kucinich supporters. He says things that need to be said, like we're already spending more on health care than any other country, we just don't get any bang for our buck. Or if we hadn't spent billions in Iraq, our children's education wouldn't be any problem at all to fund. Or the US is never going to be able to bring peace to Iraq, and it's looking like he was right on that too. I know anybody who wants to have a snowball's chance to actually get elected can't say these things because, well, people would think they're flat ass weird. Dennis is always fighting for the people though and not taking any half-steps along the way.

[angrydemocrat]

26. Hell I didn't say he didn't fight for people

And I'm not saying he doesn't stand up for education, health care, ect. We have alot of Democrats that stand for all the same things. But I personally don't think the man's the brightest bulb in the room and I'm sorry you are offended by that but to tell it like there is there are plenty others out there just like me. And as I said in my post I'm not saying I don't like the man at all. But when I say he is not the brightest bulb in the room simply is saying I don't feel the man has what it takes to be president of this country and again sorry that offends you. But as it has been proven I'm not the only one that feels this way or he would have been your nominee not Kerry. And the lady I talked about in my post was very much serious and worried when she was talking about this. Yes we got tickled at the lady but she was serious as hell about it. I will say this there are less Kerry supporters that were also Kucinich supporters to, than what you are making out here because I know what people said at those rallies, what has been said on blogs, what was said when when people came in our campaign office, what was said in phone calls that were made, ect. So you might have a load here but DU doesn't speak for all Americans although some would like to think it does.

I happen to like DU and have made alot of friends since I joined and will continue to be a supporter of it. But this place certainly doesn't speak for the majority of Americans because if it did Kerry would never made around the block and back with people so that should say a little something. Again I'm sorry you are so offended by what I said but that is how I feel. And again the little lady I was talking about was dead serious also. There are many democrats that stand for democratic issues and values that is what makes them democrats but that doesn't by far make them all presidential material.

[JohnKleeb]

27. He fights for working people too

I know you know blm like I do, and blm is part of the reason why I am a strong Kerry-Kucinich type person. I recall you, blm, and XanaDUer(formerly known as LibertyChick), oh and curse10 always being quite good to Kucinich as a whole.

[JI7]

28. yes Kucinich was helping spread the message

he knew he was not going to win. but he wanted people to hear what he had to say about the issues.

he was also often there in Ohio during Kerry's campaign appearances to show support.

[JohnKleeb]

29. I forgot to mention you too, you were always good to our side during the

primaries. I thought that Kerry and Kucinich were my faves in the primaries, I also liked Gephardt and Edwards, wasn't too keen on Dean an d Clark to be honest, I would have supported anyone as the nominee though, I am a yellow dog.

[angrydemocrat]

30. Nobody is saying he didn't fight

for working people that is part of being a democrat. All I'm saying you put all all the choice's in one room and he's not the brightest bulb in the room. And if he had of been nominated yes I would have supported him. But I don't think all congressmen and senators
ect. are presidential material. And Kucinich is one that I never seen as presidential material. And I'm not the only one or the man would have one. When I told about the little lady that came in the campaign office it was not to offend people the lady was serious but she was funny. But if you want to look at in one way any democrat is a jackass. That is our logo. And how many times has it been expressed that someone might be smart but there ugly. Hell I don't remember who said it now but someone made the statement that Kerry wasn't good looking and WildEyedLiberal told them good it was less competition for her. And yes I Kucinich is ugly and apparently the little lady that came into the campaign office did to or she wouldn't have said what she did. And yes I thought that crazy '70's mindset bus was weird. But I never said the man didn't fight for democratic values whatever Sheesh! But again every congressman, senator, ect is not presidential material.

[JI7]

31. Kucinich never thought he would win the nomination

that's what you don't seem to get. you assume he was in it because he really thought he would win.

he was in it because he wanted to spread the message and running in the primary helped give him a place to do it.

and i see no reason for any of the comments on looks other than as personal attacks.

for a long time Kerry himself never thought he could ever run for President as he was too associated with the anti war days and would be seen as too liberal for most voters including democrats. in fact he lost his first congressional race because of this. and of course this issue came back to hurt him in a way during the general election. but what he did was still the right thing to do and it wasn't just about whether he could win or not. it was about getting the message out.

[JohnKleeb]

33. you mean house race, to be fair he lost that race because of Nixon's dirty

tricks. Yeah, heck I read in a book where I get my political info that "Kerry's liberal views on most social and economic views may be very well an asset in the democratic primaries but may not be so in a general election." Isn't it funny how Kerry is to many DUers too moderate, he's actually a liberal democrat, and people don't get that. He actually gave one of the best reasons I think against the death penalty in his debate with Weld, "Ive been to war and I don't like killing"

[JI7]

34. yes

house race. yeah , i agree the dirty tricks just as in this election contributed.

but even apart from that he was always seen as too liberal , especially to run in a general election. i think one of the reasons he joined the dlc was because he wanted to make connections with more moderate democrats and try to convince them he could appeal to those outside the liberal base so he can get their support if/when he ran for president. harry reid is much more conservative than kerry, but reid is NOT a member of the dlc and Kerry IS. eliot spitzer is also a member of the dlc. i always considered kerry and spitzer to be in the same group within the dlc. as liberals, but the type that would like to appeal to more people to help get more things done.

paul wellstone learned to get along and even considered right wing republicans like jesse helms, james inhofe etc as friends after a while. he knew he needed support from the other side to help get things done such as mental health care.

[JohnKleeb]

35. Wellstone worked with Pete Domianci on mental health issues

Yes, Reid is more conservative than Kerry yet a non DLC member. Yeah Ive always thought the same for Spitzer too. Kerry also got Helms help when he brought down Iran-Contra. I think Kerry really is one of hte more liebral members of the senate, he's not like many midwestern progressive dems on trade but other than that he's up there among them. Clinton and Gore both vetted Kerry for VP but chose Gore and Lieberman because of their more perceived moderatedness.

[angrydemocrat]

36. I understand a hell of alot more than what you think

As far as the talking about someones looks we have been doing that for quite some time around here. Not everyone thinks Kerry is good looking and have stated it do I call that a peronal attack HELL NO! I call that having a opinion about someone wether it be there looks, or if you think they are the better candidate or whatever. That is not a personal attack. As I said in a earlier post someone made the comment about Kerry's looks one day about they thoght he was ugly and WildEyedLiberal just made the comment "good it gave her less competion" if she was her she would tell you that to. Nobody took it as a personal attack! Since when in the hell did it become a rule people couldn't have their own opinions around here? Give it a fuckin rest already. I think you seem to forget this is the Kerry forum not the Kucinich forum. If you are that damn offended maybe you are in the wrong damn one seems to me they have a Kucinich forum as well.

As far as Kerry's first congressional race lost that race the main reason Kerry lost and it is stated facts is the major character assassination by the Lowell Sun. Also another thing that hurt him was when his brother got arrested and it was a major issue in the paper the headline was "Kerry Brother Arrested In Lowell Watergate" and also from the very beginning he was labeled a oppertunist because of his distract shopping! Those are the main reasons Kerry lost and even Kerry himself has said so. Sure the other didn't help any but that is not why he lost. Or did you know these facts and would you like me to tell you how to get the imformation so you can see for yourself? Because I will be glad to do so. I have studied and been a supporter of Kerry for many years a hell of a long time before he ever decided to run for president so I seriously doubt you can tell me something about the man I don't already know.

[JI7]

37. there is a difference

between saying whether you find someone attractive and just outright making fun of someone's looks and calling them ugly. that person did not say they thought Kerry was ugly, they said they never saw him in a sexual way before because of the age difference. although that same person has since said they find him attractive.

i know this is a kerry forum which is why i don't like the kucinich bashing.

[angrydemocrat]

38. If you thik some people havn't come out and said

Kerry was ugly, or had a horse face well maybe you need to read the forums again. And it all a matter of opinion and taste. Everybody don't have the same taste in men so to get offended when someone calls another on ugly is ridiculous.

Again it's wasn't bashing it is a opinion.

[JohnKleeb]

39. agh I remember when people would insult their looks

Hah all I can say is I didn't find any of the candidiates hot :D. Now their daughters, well that's another topic.

[JI7]

40. i know some have said things

but Kucinich himself has never said it. and neither have any of his supporters that i know of which include many kerry supporters also.

it's one thing to say you don't find him attractive and totally another to say someone is ugly. i see no reason to start doing that to other democrats.

in fact most of the attacks on looks during the primary and even now are directed at kucinich. there have been kucinich supporters who said if he looked like kerry he would have gotten more support so i'm sure they hear the attacks on his looks all the time.

[JohnKleeb]

42. Actually they say if Kucinich looked liked Edwards

and had Edwards style. Yes, most of the attacks on looks were on Kucinich in the primaries, I remember that well, there were some on Kerry too but those weren't from Kucinich folk, I think because many of them felt it was the issues that really mattered not something like looks.

[angrydemocrat]

44. The remarks about looks was made about

all of them. Some said Kerry was ugly, had a horse face, then people made remarks about his daughters I remeber some saying she had a horse face, then when it came to Edwards some made fun of the mole he had on his lip, then some talked about Elizabeth being fat, some said Teresa look like she stuck her finger in a light socket on certan days, hell the list goes on and on. I say who the hell cares if everybody like the same thing this would be a boring as world. But to get mad over something people do all the time is ridiculous. Now if they were attacking their character telling a bunch of lies thats another. But comparing looks come on give it a rest this is normal.

[JohnKleeb]

47. I remember one person even dissing Teresa

IT does go all ways.

[GRLMGC]

53. Ugh

how lame

[JohnKleeb]

59. I know, shows how desperate some people are

[JohnKleeb]

32. I wasn't upset at all

Its ok, I was fine. I don't think he's presidential material either, frankly only a select few are.

[angrydemocrat]

41. Thank You

When I wrote that I didn't do it to start a fight. But if they want to argue over I will. All I was doing was stating my opinions and if you read it I said I wasn't writing it to offend anyone I thought what LittleClarkie said in her post was funny and It reminded me of the little lady that came in our campaign headquarters. So I told about her and hell far some people have lost it over it. And because you make a statement about a man's looks its attacking? Hell last I heard woman compare notes all the time. I didn't realize it had became a crime to some :eyes: If I got mad everytime someone said Kerry was ugly or said he had a horse face I would stay mad.

[JohnKleeb]

43. Its not a problem

Kerry looks like Herman Muenster :D, kidding. I hated the attacks on looks in the primaries honest, ironically though, they came not from the camp of the guy who was generally considered the best looking, Edwards.

[angrydemocrat]

45. LOL

[JohnKleeb]

46. I am dead serious, Edwards supporters weren't the ones

who talked a lot about looks, good people, I always thought.

[LittleClarkie]

48. Like I said, nice chap

just not presidential material.

I see from the responses that he knew it too, but wanted the pulpit you only get from being a presidential candidate, and to interject certain issues into the mix. That makes sense.

I did appreciate his support. He was the first I heard say that "The Closer" had arrived, and to mark the date.

[angrydemocrat]

49. I know

All i was saying is when I read what you wrote like others I thought it was funny. I told about the the lady that came into the campaign office because sha was always funny you would of had to have met the lady. And when I said I didn't think he was the brightest bulb in the room was a way of saying if you took all the candidates and put them in one room which one would be the smartest and better at being the leaderer of the country and I never found that to be him. That is what the brightest bulb. The part about weird was a opinion and that crazy bus that look like something from back in the '70s and I found it a little weird that someone running for president but again that was opinion. But I'm not the only one that ever felt like that. I never said the man wasn't a good congressman or anything about what he supports. I never said I didn't like the man. I did say that I dont see all congressmen, senators, ect. as presidential material. It takes alot more to be a president than a congressman or senator. As far as the look deal yes I said I felt he was ugly so what how many have said the same about Kerry. If I got mad everytime someone said Kerry was ugly I would stay mad. Anyway Merry Christmas I have to go I will be back in a couple days. Hope you get all you want for Christmas!

[Der Blaue Engel]

24. LOL

Not only is the gnome comment fabulous, but this expression has always made me ROTFL:

"We'd have been beaten like a read-headed stepchild.

:D

[Patsy Stone]

17. Well, I have never

In my 1000+ posts seen this person have a good thing to say. Ever!
There are a lot of very bitter people around -- don't let them get to you. That's just what they're expecting us to do...

[seito]

50. Good grief Patsy

Looks like Testy told on you. Glad I got to see your posts before they went away though.

LMAO

[New Earth]

51. how the hell is he still here

oh wait i forgot, he only attacks Kerry, not members directly.

dude i need to figure out to deal with some people before i get banned. i think i do occasionally (not intentionally) attack members when i dont' agree with them. i'm not very good at debate and it turns into anger :cry:

[seito]

52. It is nice to have this place to VENT

It helps. I don't get angry until they start questioning Kerry's patriotism, and echo the swift boat lies etc. That really pisses me off. Testy is just a joke. It would take a LOT for him to elevate my blood pressure.

As far as why certain individuals remain and what constitutes a disruptor. I have no clue.... It would seem there are quite a few flame baiters around that do absolutely nothing but spread dissention, but alas they have been here much longer than I have. I think that means something as far as how many "lives" you get.

Happy Holidays all.

[saracat]

61. I lost it over that one too. Testy is just awful.

[sandnsea]

60. Never use "you"

When you feel like writing, "you dumbass", write the more generic, dumbasses. Ask generic questions "has everybody lost their cookies?" That could refer to anybody, not necessarily the person you're responding to. On the other hand, you can say "you are wrong", "you are misinformed", "you might want to read more", etc. And things like "I don't really believe you think something so stupid", "Am I missing something, or do you really believe..."

I can be pretty vicious, but I almost never have posts deleted or get alerted on. Only during a brief window during the primaries when the rules were very strict and the goal of the Deanie's was to kick everybody else off DU.

Anymore though, they just aren't worth it to me. My goal after the beginning of the year is to push the words leftist and anarchist. I refuse to allow the entire Democratic Party to be labeled with the antics of a handful of people.

[Patsy Stone]

54. I know

In fact I just emailed all of the mods and asked why to both your question and faye's. I don't know why arguing is wrong. I certainly would hate to be banned. I really like it here. If logical is wrong, baby, I don't want to be right. What I didn't like is that the the post about me being against the disabled, or some such thing, is still up.

Until today, I don't think I've ever had an issue here (ok, I did post once in the wrong place, but that's it.)

Here's hoping I'm still around tomorrow. :)

[seito]

55. Patsy,

A disruptor, you are not. I am sure mods know that. As for me, I have been flying high on the "rock the boat" radar over another member :(


So here's hoping for the best :toast:

[Patsy Stone]

56. XOXO and thanks... n/t

Hey, isn't Keef back on my TeeVee tonight? Ooh, yum! :loveya:

[seito]

57. I believe so...

The question is will Keef be the live or Memorex?

Does it matter? :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

58. No, it does not!

All Keef is good Keef... LOL! :loveya: