Is it wrong of me to say to a Kusinich person that Dennis had no chance

[LittleClarkie]

no chance in hell, of getting the nomination.

God love Dennis, but to claim that he looked like Prez material seems just short of delusional to me. A good man, but there was just no way.

And if I see that damn Patrick Henry vote chart one more time, I'm gonna snap. Oh sure, the best, most objective chart on the net. Riiiight.

(/rantmode)

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. That vote chart is the biggest joke I've ever seen

Yeah, such 'objectivity.'

And it depends on the Dennis supporter. If they're being hostile and insisting that Kucinich would've been a better nominee than Kerry, then hell yes, laugh in their face.

[GRLMGC]

3. Most Kucinich supporters don't seem to be like that though

Weird. Good but weird.

[JI7]

4. JohnKleeb supported Kucinich (and Kerry) during the Primary

as did many others. i think blm supported Kerry, but voted for Kucinich during the primary elections.

[LittleClarkie]

6. He is a very good and honest man

In the primaries, I suppose you go with the man you like the most. But I guess I was waiting for this person to say we should have nominated Kusinich instead of Kerry. I shouldn't be so paranoid.

I've only met one Kusinich person in my recent life so far. She was very nice, but boycotting her church because they had a Roman-looking figure on a banner that she thought was too "warlike" and was openly advocating everyone joining the Greens to "teach the Democrats a lesson."

She supported Dennis because the last politician she supported before Dennis was Nixon, and Watergate had scarred her on politics. Imagine your very first vote ever being for Nixon. Dennis was the first politician she's managed to trust. That does say something.

I do love Dennis. He is a very moral man.

[JohnKleeb]

8. vinessa was also one

yeah blm supported Kerry and Kucinich, I did that too actually as you say. Its a shame honestly that said that people have to prop up a good guy to bash a good guy too. That said, I Dont see Kucinich running again in 2008, someone will have a niche role like him tho.

[JI7]

2. i wouldn't have said it myself

i think Dems should support whoever they want during the primary.

i know the person you are talking about and i actually like his pro dennis kucinich posts more than those ones which call for Harry Reid to resign and other similar ones.

[LittleClarkie]

5. I know what you mean

What I did also say was that toward the end Dennis wasn't in it to win it. He was in it to influence the debate and the issues being brought up.

I do think he is a very good and honest man, but I guess I was taking this person as if he were saying that Dennis was better than Kerry. Perhaps he was trying to say "for 2008" in which case you are right. He has the right to support whoever he wants. I was thinking in retrospect, and only in relation to whether or not Kerry should have gotten the nomination.

There are times I shouldn't say things I wouldn't say in life.

[JohnKleeb]

7. Ahh

Best not to do so IMO. Just defend Kerry and go with your facts.

[Goldeneye]

9. I voted for Kucinich knowing he had no chance.

It was a vote for idealism. Its sad that this matters, but he just doesn't look presidential...

[Withywindle]

12. I voted for Kucinich too....

By the time IL got to vote, Kerry was clearly going to be the nominee, and I was totally fine with that. More than fine. But at the last minute in the booth I decided wanted to use my useless vote to send a message that I wanted Kucinich's ideas to be taken seriously in the party.

Which is, y'know, IMO, why he ran in the first place.

[JohnKleeb]

13. another thing that attracted me to the Kerry supporters early on

is that many of them I thought truly respected Kucinich.

[sandnsea]

10. I'm in Oregon

I had every intention of voting for Kucinich, but Oregon ended up being a little different. I saw Kucinich here, he campaigned in almost every city and town in the state. Our primary was in May. So by that time it was a little annoying and we were in the position of having to show strong unity for Kerry, which I thought was more important at the time. Anyway, our ticket was head to head, Kerry and Kucinich. Every Dem that wanted to meet Kucinich had an opportunity, easily. And the vote was 80-20. You don't get more liberal Dems than Oregon Dems, including a very strong Green party. So if Kucinich didn't get more votes than that in Oregon with a very strong campaign and only 2 on the ticket, it goes to show people are just not that far left. Honestly, I expected the primary to go more like 60/40 and was surprised myself that he only got 60,000 votes.

[JohnKleeb]

11. Why didn't you?

None of my parents voted in the Virginia primary because that interestingly enough was the day that my late nana had her stroke that got her sent to the home. Oh, I see why you voted Kerry, party unity, you know I think if I had voted in the Virginia primary, I may have gone with Kerry. I made my switch from being nearly exclusive Kucinich to being split and cheering on Kerry for the eventual nom right after the Iowa caucus, you may remember I was quite happy and I joined up, sigh I was also infuriated with how the forums turned out that night, Kerry bashing lovely.

[sandnsea]

14. he made me mad too

I said at the time, that I was annoyed with UN in, US out. And Nader too. Because when you looked at the meat of their plans, they called for elections, reconstruction, stabilization, international support. So how they bashed Kerry when they actually supported the same solution was and is, beyond me. Kerry would have readily turned this over to the UN, he just wasn't going to say we could pull US troops out when there were no other troops capable of handling the situation. So I was mad at Dennis too. I always thought after the primary the truth of it all would come out and people would stop playing politics with their position on the IWR and war. The majority of Dems wanted the exact same thing, an inspections process in Iraq. They wanted the exact same thing after Bush went in, UN oversight with real authority. How this ended up being a fight in the Democratic Party is still astounding to me. Only a handful of people ever called for immediate withdrawal, regardless of consequences, and that's still true.

This make perfect sense to me, I don't get why it doesn't make sense to other people. It isn't spin, it's how I see it.

[JohnKleeb]

15. Yep makes sense to me

They did have the same basic premise, I agree, and people were trying to make it seem like Kerry was for a longtime occupation even though Kerry said "I DO NOT INTEND ON ESTABLISHING US BASES THERE", Bushlite that word to me is what a friend told me about the word overrated in sports, its the most overrated word.

[Vektor]

16. I like him a lot, actually -

and I really agree with most of his stances. I wish he WAS the sort of person that America saw as "Presidential Material" - he is kind, caring, and a huge animal rights activist. Sadly, in angry, power-mad America, a kind gentle person like Kucinich is not considered "presidential."

I wish it were different.

[JohnKleeb]

17. but but Kerry supporters are supposed to be bushlite

:D, glad most of you think highly of my former candidate, I really think him and Kerry and Edwards were the top three in the bunch.

[Vektor]

18. I love Kucinich

and I'm no Bush Lite. I'm just smart enough to know that you can love one candidate and not have to bash the shit out of all the others.
I love Kerry a whole lot, and I totally support a number of other Dems as well, Kucinich and Dean included.

[JohnKleeb]

19. of course I know that silly

Its just funny how the lefty freeps will try to convince us we're bushlite because of our love of Kerry. I actually met Kucinich. Really I got no big beef with any of the past candidates except Lieberman really, goes to show you, we got some people on the board who have no problems with only one.

[Vektor]

20. Kerry's the biggest threat -

So they attack the hardest. Let em' eat themselves alive...

[elshiva]

21. Kucinich could be president, but

he could not get a nomination. I did not read about Kucinich until after the election and I'm glad that I waited. I listened to an old NPR interview when he was still a candidate. I almost cried because this is a man who shares so much of my values as regards to animal rights and peace. I love, love, love the Kooch. He does have the experience and the plan to be prez, but will never be nominated because he is so, so liberal.
Please note this: many people call the Kooch a "green liberal," but he calls himself a "Wellstone Democrat." I think a lot of his supporters are/were Greens, so that accounts for their hostility to Dems. This hostility is not reflected in the peace-loving Kooch, who is proud to be a Dem.
Who's Patrick Henry?
Yes, again, I love Kerry and see no contradictions and loving both men. They are very wonderful Democrats who do great things for us all in the Congress. I call Kerry, Kucinich, and Dean "the powerhouse three" because they are such strong Dems. They are people who make me proud to be a Democrat.

[Osamasux]

22. I thought Kucinich would have made a great HUD Secretary

He could have done some lasting good in that role.

[LittleClarkie]

23. I was having Kerry cabinet fantasies too

Dean as Sec of Health
Clark as Sec of Defense
Kucinich would have been good as HUD.

I think I just depressed myself again.

The more I think about it, and watch Bush Co. there was no damned way they were going to let themselves lose, were they. The whole election was a sham, wasn't it. There was no way they were going to leave their work half finished. Those bastards.