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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:57 PM
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Anyone know when Kerry is speaking at AIPAC?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3858913

Didn't see an agenda on the AIPAC website or C-Span (a few names listed for today on C-Span but I thought Biden was supposed to speak today and he's not on their list).

I'll be interested to hear what Kerry says.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:34 AM
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1. No, but I wished Biden and Kerry could skip it or be free to talk truth to them.
AIPAC is a group of warmongers.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:19 AM
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2. AIPAC has an awful agenda and they have way more power than they should
Edited on Mon May-04-09 09:22 AM by karynnj
They actually have the support of only a small segment of Jews, but unfortunately the ones they have are powerful and rich.

I wish Kerry would call on these Americans to see that they are not helping Israel when they ignore that Israel bears some responsibility for the worsening Israeli/Palestinian situation. This would be the best forum in which to do that. It will not be warmly received (and that is an understatement), but it is necessary that the US do so if they are to appear as honest brokers to the Muslim world. The fact is that, though they include important people who are "opinion leaders", in reality most of the US Jewish population is not following them. Among American Jews, people who support AIPAC are the most extreme in not wanting to hear any criticism of Iarael. There are other Jewish advocacy groups, but they do not have a fraction of the power of AIPAC. (My favorite is http://www.btvshalom.org/ ) Speaking this way though carries the risk of closing doors behind the scenes that are now open to him.

Two things have recently made me rethink the need for someone important in US government to take a more even handed approach on Israel in their comments and to see the risk in doing so. The first thing that made me think is what I heard at my synagogue. A couple of weeks ago, I went to a synagogue event where an Iman originally from Turkey spoke to us about the impact of the war in Gaza on Israel's reputation in the middle east and world. He was part of a group working on interfaith issues that my rabbi is part of and he has become a very good friend of hers. He has spent the last several years speaking to US Muslims trying to improve the relationship between Jews and Muslims. He had 3 talks scheduled early this year at mosques - and all were canceled as the Gaza bombings worsened. He told us there are mosques where he is no longer welcome and Muslim friends he has lost because of his advocacy. He spoke of how that war lost Israel it's friendly relationship with Turkey and how some moderate Muslims that in the past always defended Israel against inflammatory charges within the Muslim world are now silent.

All this was said to a Jewish audience. Many were stunned to hear the degree to which things were made so much worse. He also spoke of how American Jews and Americans in general were less critical of Israel's actions than public opinion in Israel itself. In fact when someone asked for a good source of news that would better capture what was happening form the Arab point of view - he first recommended H'aaretz, which is a Jewish paper. He said that part of the difficulty recommending news sources is that the US and British media are heavily biased towards Israel.

The second thing had absolutely nothing to do with Israel, but with the somewhat analogous situation in Sri Lanka. Though there are many differences, Sri Lanka, which has been in a Civil War of different intensities since its independence, has a Buddhist (Sinhala) goverment and they are fighting the Hindu LTTE (Tamil Tigers) which is an internationally recognized terrorist group. Now it would be wrong to equate either the 2 powerful governments or the two terrorist groups, but some dynamics are similar. In both cases, there is no question that the minority group has little or no power within the government and the government will not agree to a solution of separate states. What connects this to my thoughts on Israel/American diplomacy and statements is the reaction of the Sinhalese to a very even handed statement by Chairman Kerry written after Senator Casey's hearing on Sri Lanka where they heard from representatives of international NGOs.

Like Israelis, the Sinhala see themselves as the good guys and they see the Tigers as terrorists. To make matters worse, over time, the Tigers have killed many people who were or could have been alternative leaders of the Tamil population. This is a stunning change from before independence. The Tamils were favored by the British - likely because they were 30% of the population. At the time of independence, they were the most educated and had most civil service jobs. Almost as soon as the country was independent (as a democracy), they designated Sinhalese as the only official language, made Buddhism the official religion and changed the name of the country. (It means something like sacred island - where "sri" (sacred) is considered Buddhist - leading some links to refer to "Lankans". ) All, of these things, added insult to the injury of having increasingly less power. Part of the reason they have little power is that the political parties are replicated for each religion - it would be like having Protestant Democrats, Catholic Democrats ... as independent parties. Not good for the Tamils who are 30% to the Sinhala 70%. For the last 18 years, the LTTE won and ruled a portion of the country in the North and east. There was a truce brokered by Norway that ended in early 2008 (right as my daughter started 4 months in Sri Lanka - great timing!).

Starting late last year, the government initiated a effort to eliminate the LTTE and take back all the land they controlled. At this point, the LTTE are in one small area along with civilians that they are not allowing to leave. Here is an article on their reaction to Western criticism - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/world/asia/01lanka.html?scp=1&sq=Sri%20Lanka%20i&st=cse and here is an article about a Clinton statement - http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sri-lanka-causing-untold-suffering-clinton and the main English language Sri Lankan Sinhalese paper's reaction - which attacks her as supporting the Tigers, which of course she doesn't.
http://www.dailymirror.lk/DM_BLOG/Sections/frmNewsDetailView.aspx?ARTID=46959

Now, here is a Sinhalese article that contains Kerry's full letter. The article is actually fine, but look at the anger in the comments. http://transcurrents.com/tc/2009/03/senator_john_kerry_urges_sri_l.html Ignoring the completely stupid - that the Tamils help support Kerry's affluent life style!, what is clear is that the US itself really has difficulty commanding the moral authority to call other countries on what they have done wrong. (This loss may be a great reason why we need investigation and prosecution where warranted on torture.)

I had read Kerry's letter from his Senate site before seeing the Sri Lankan article and one of my first thoughts was that it would be great had he or any Democrat written something similar on Israel/Palestine. Here, writing to the government, he acknowledges in detail the problem of the LTTE, but then addresses what international NGOs are saying the government, that has excluded journalists from the area, is doing. He then speaks of what has to be done going forward. What is clear is that the government is reacting with sputtering rage to all the international comments.

In the case of Sri lanka, the US has few levers - we really give them little aid and have no real historical relationship, so the statements and letters from the US might be the only thing we can do. That is not true with Israel. Looking at the anger in the Sri Lankan reaction, I wonder if perhaps the reason that Kerry and others haven't written letters - like the excellent Sri Lankan one - to Israel is because the reaction would be the same and would hobble the author's ability to promote better behavior quietly behind the scenes.

Putting these two lines of thought together, shows me that - even ignoring American politics, which Kerry may be one of the few who has the luxury to do so on this as long as his actions are seen as principled - choosing what things should be said to move things in the right direction is very complicated. But, the fact that AIPAC is NOT Israel, but a group of powerful American Jews suggests that this might be a group where he could do something like what was done in the Sri Lanka letter - speaking of the impact of the huge Gaza bombings - that to many seem pre planned (before the rockets were fired) to happen before Obama took office while Bush was in office. But, the more I think of it, the more confused I get as to what would be the best thing to do in terms of creating a better situation.

Politically, saying anything negative will likely be a loser. The left is so far out of the mainstream that they would see the Sri Lankan letter translated to the I/P situation as too easy on Israel and would not praise it, while AIPAC aligned journalists would take the same words as heresy.

(I apologize that this is chaotic and unfocused, but in trying to edit it - I realized the problem is not grammar and structure, but that my thoughts are going in both directions.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 06:39 AM
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9. Not chaotic at all, very interesting actually n/t
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 10:25 AM
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3. No, but it is getting real interesting isn't it?
Edited on Mon May-04-09 10:29 AM by TayTay
The Obama Govt has been insisting that Israel endorse the Two-State Solution to the Palestinian crisis. The new Israeli Govt is loath to do that as this article in http://jta.org/news/article/2009/04/27/1004694/aipac-policy-conference-to-push-iran-bills">JTA News points out at the end:

The AIPAC conference schedule suggested that the pro-Israel powerhouse was edging toward accommodating a flexible posture on Palestinian statehood and whom to deal with, especially when contrasted with how the organization is dealing with Iran policy.

Policy theorists in Washington who reject isolating Iran as counterproductive are absent from the conference schedule. By contrast, there is a strong representation of speakers who favor a two-state solution. They include Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), the chairman of the Senate's Foreign Relations Committee, who in recent weeks forcefully favored a settlement freeze; Aaron David Miller, a top Middle East negotiator in the Clinton administration; and Shibley Telhami, a Brookings Institution Middle East policy expert.

One insider said AIPAC's delegates will lobby for "laying the foundations for Palestinian statehood" -- a middle ground between the administration's insistence on a two-state solution and Netanyahu's preference for promoting the Palestinian economy.


Sen. Kerry actually went to Gaza to see the aftermath of the war for himself. He was accompanied on that trip by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzipi_Livni">Tzipi Livni, the former PM and a moderate.

Now look at the news this morning, from http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25428315-2703,00.html">The Australian:

Israel commits to two-state solution



John Lyons, Middle East correspondent | May 05, 2009
Article from: The Australian

ISRAEL has given its strongest signal yet that it will pursue a two-state solution to the Palestinian conflict as new Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu prepares to meet US President Barack Obama.

Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon said yesterday that Israel would abide by all the commitments made by previous governments and that the new administration understood that Middle East "stability will entail a two-state solution".

The comments were significant because Mr Ayalon, a former ambassador to Washington, is a key confidant of Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, and both are leading figures in the hardline Yisrael Beiteinu party.

The remarks came as Mr Lieberman began a week-long visit to Europe, his first trip as Foreign Minister.

Israeli President Shimon Peres is due to meet Mr Obama in Washington tomorrow.


Might there be a carrot and stick thing going on here? The Iran sanctions bill, but the Two-State Solution support from key Israeli cabinet members, like Lieberman?

And actually going to Gaza and then publicly asking for a settlement freeze is pretty good stuff. I am interested to hear what Sen. Kerry will say today. I am also very interested to see what VP Biden says. This could get really interesting. The Obama Administration has come down squarely on the side of engaging in diplomacy with old adversaries. The contact with Syria and even Iran of late is not to be dismissed.

This could get really interesting.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:18 PM
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4. My hope is that both Kerry and Biden will speak...
...truth, tactfully of course, but loudly. As part of the Obama Administration, both have a lot of clout and can say things that Obama probably can't say right now. BOTH of them speaking truth on this matter could lay the groundwork for Obama to set a more positve course for the region. JMHO. :)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 03:38 PM
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5. Here's a link to the full scedule
Kerry and Biden are listed as speaking in the plenary session from 8:45 to 10:45. (no futher breakdown)

http://www.aipac.org/Publications/2009_Press_Schedule_Major_Speeches.pdf

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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 10:44 PM
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8. Good detective work! So it's Tuesday rather than Monday
Very interesting that they're speaking in sequence!

I'll miss it due to a meeting but it looks like they're putting up video archives. Of course, if JB and JK really speak their minds...
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 07:35 AM
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10. C-SPAN 2 has programming beginning soon that may include them? (maybe not)
Edited on Tue May-05-09 07:42 AM by Luftmensch067
Congressional Speeches to AIPAC Conference

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08:51:43 AM - 09:59:01 AM

Maybe not, though, because event date is listed as yesterday...?

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 07:56 AM
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12. It is yesterday's stuff, but at least they are recording it - as they already have the
Edited on Tue May-05-09 08:03 AM by karynnj
link to archive. http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=285713-1

The AIPAC site does not seem to livestream - they also have archived yesterday's speeches - http://www.aipac.org/2841.asp

None of the all "News" channels are covering it - because Morning Joe etc are apparently more newsworthy.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:46 PM
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6. This is interesting timing - Hamas says they will end the rockets
and agree to contesting just the land outside the 1967 border. To me this sounds like a massive shift and it should give more leverage to the people in support of a two state solution. (Kerry was described in an article on AIPAC as a "forceful" advocate of the two state solution - but this position is shared on both sides of the aisle.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/world/middleeast/05meshal.html?hp

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 08:09 PM
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7. Fascinating piece. Thanks. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 07:45 AM
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11. CSPAN's current coverage is excerpts from yesterday -
Edited on Tue May-05-09 07:54 AM by karynnj
After Netanyahu, the speaker now is Dick Durbin.

But they are recording the Kerry/Biden comments. They have already set up the link to archive it though - http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=285713-1
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 11:37 AM
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18. Thank you for this.
I have NOT yet seen Sen. Kerry's speech at AIPAC and will comment on it after I do.

I did see Steny Hoyer and Eric Cantor this morning and it was a very depressing appearance. The sentiments being expressed are classic neocon arguments, right down to the idea that the only thing our enemies understand is force and brutality and that mercy is a sign of weakness to them. That these sentiments are being uttering in the same speeches that lament the Holocaust and the idea that no one intervened to help when lack of mercy and brutality were being used against a people is horribly ironic.

That was a distinctly unpleasant experience. I sincerely hope that Sen. Kerry will deliver a strong proposal of support for Israel without this jingoism that offers up suffering as a justification for more suffering.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:29 AM
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13. First bit of coverage - and I never thought I would be thrilled to read Kerry got little applause
Edited on Tue May-05-09 09:31 AM by karynnj
I like that he spoke of settlements as wrong and of the two state solution when speaking to AIPAC. That he added the need for freedom of movement in the West Bank is fantastic.


"Kerry says a few words for Palestinians at AIPAC--and what is the sound of one hand clapping?


When he called for a two-state solution now, when he came down on settlement expansion, there was just a smattering of applause for John Kerry at AIPAC today. Settlements "empower the enemies of peace in the region," Kerry said. And as Matt Duss wrote on Twitter, "Crickets." Just a handful of applauders when he called for "freedom of movement" in the West Bank. This group knows that Israel has turned right, and they are moving with Israel."


http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/05/kerry-says-a-few-words-for-palestinians-at-aipacand-what-is-the-sound-of-one-hand-clapping-.html

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:45 AM
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14. Excellent American Prospect article
I'll have more on this speech later, but the big takeaway is that John Kerry, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has called, in no uncertain terms, upon Israel to do more to support Palestinian statehood -- including ending all new settlement activity. "Nothing will do more to show Israel's commitment to peace...than freezing new settlement activity," Kerry said. "Settlements make it more difficult for Israel to support its own citizens. ...They undercut President Abbas and strengthen Hamas by convincing Palestinians there is no reward for moderation." This statement was greeted with polite applause here at the Washington Convention Center.

The best possible future, Kerry stated, would hold "two states -- one Israeli, one Palestinian -- living side by side in peace and security. The big question is how we get there." He continued, "I say this as a friend. None of us have done nearly enough to make that entity a reality. ...We must strengthen those Palestinians willing to make tough sacrifices for peace."

AIPAC's talking points and lobbying goals support a two-state solution, yet one gets the sense on the ground here at the convention that there is some real skepticism. At Mondoweiss, Phil Weiss has some thoughts on that tension. For his part, Kerry acknowledged that skepticism, saying there has been too much "process" and not enough outcome in the peace process. To reassure the skeptics, he laid out the following expectations for Arab leaders:

1. Ending Hamas rocket attacks on Israel.

2. Legitimizing Israel in the eyes of the Arab public: ending boycotts, holding public meetings between Arab and Israeli leaders, and allowing El Al to fly in Arab airspace.

3. Ending "poisonous rhetoric" toward Israeli and Jews, including in school textbooks.

On the whole though, Kerry left little doubt that he expects AIPAC and the new Israeli government to move very quickly in support of Palestinian statehood. "It is a simple truth that the window of opportunity for a two-state solution is fast closing," he warned.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=05&year=2009&base_name=john_kerry_at_aipac_we_must_do
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:49 AM
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15. More
Arabs should start normalizing with Israel: Kerry

Arab states should boost peace hopes by starting now to normalize with Israel through lifting the embargo and allowing Israeli flights over their countries, leading US Senator John Kerry urged Tuesday.

Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, urged Arabs to start "treating Israel like a normal country, ending the boycott, letting El Al fly over their countries and meeting Israel leaders."

<snip>

Kerry, the Democratic Party's nominee for president in 2004, welcomed the Arab peace initiative of 2002 for calling for normalizing ties with Israel in exchange for the Jewish state ending the occupation of Arab lands seized in 1967.

But the "Arabs cannot wait for Israel to make all the sacrifices" for improving relations, Kerry said. "They should start doing so right now."






http://www.africasia.com/services/news/newsitem.php?area=mideast&item=090505142114.hb4twjtw.php
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 09:55 AM
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16. Biden also spoke for the 2 state solution
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1083213.html

This is a very good, detailed article from a leading Israeli newspaper (one that is left leaning)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 10:15 AM
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17. Some poor quality video of part of the speech
Edited on Tue May-05-09 10:22 AM by karynnj
(In fact, it is so bad that it serves best as audio - unless you want to watch a very fuzzy JK on a screen - there is so little resolution that you can't see his tie.) The audio though is immediate and wonderful and he sounds great.

http://qik.com/video/1613116

This is John Kerry at its best, saying things he has said before and really doing a fantastic job.

Just noticed that Joe Biden's speech is on similarly bad video.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 03:22 PM
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20. Thanks for posting! It was good to get the audio at least. :)
Edited on Tue May-05-09 03:22 PM by ObamaKerryDem
And kudos to the Senator for taking such a brave stand, even at the risk of applause. He did a fantastic job as always. I hope this is on C-span soon!
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 06:35 PM
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21. Globe article - "tough love" - Summary & Full Text of Biden & Kerry
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-05-09 01:15 PM
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19. Thank you to everyone here who has posted information on...
...this. I am anxiously waiting for C-Span's coverage...it should be really good. I watched the speakers from Monday, and Cantor's...and the rhetoric is frightening. But JK has great credibility on these issues. He and Biden appearing together make a powerful statement...even before the actual words are spoken. If ANYONE can make a difference and pull this together, John Kerry can. I am overly hopeful...and I haven't been hopeful about this situation in years.
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