You may want to pay a visit

[Inuca]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/30/774353/-Calling-out-APs-Lies

[TayTay]

1. It's seems to have faded fast

It was not even on the listing of current diaries when I got there.

Thanks for the notice though.

[Inuca]

2. True. This on the other hand

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/30/kerry-kennedy-would-compr_n_272177.html is alive and well. Actually, I don't know how well, I did read through the comments yet.

Why are so many people so blind and unable/unwilling to uderstand and accept that lifeis not made of just black & white? Don't try to answer that :-), just venting.

[TayTay]

3. 302 comments

too late.

BTW, does anyone get comments posted on HuffPo. I don't seem too. And does anyone read beyond the first 10 comments or so when they see a huge number of comments in a post? I don't. The dye is cast on that one. Sad, but true.

[Inuca]

4. I seldom go there

and even more seldom post, but when I do the comments usually get posted (though sometimes it takes a little while).

[karynnj]

5. I have, but

you are definitely right that after 303 comments, it is unlikely to make a difference.

[beachmom]

7. Most recent gets posted at the top. I dropped in a simple comment & it posted right away.

It'll get pushed down as new comments are posted, but I felt it was still worth it.

Thanks for letting me know, guys. I guess I am a "trusted user" on Huff Po. :)

[karynnj]

6. The sad thing is that Kerry's answer was excellent

I suspect that many Democrats are and will be misquoted by the AP and other pundits wanting to create dissension among Democrats. This diary is an excellent way to get the truth out in this case. (Then again, it shows the lack of journalistic ethics in both the AP and the Huffington Post. That transcript or the video is not hard to find. If the primary source is readily available it is sheer incompetence not to get it.

They also seemed to miss a significant thing in Hatch's comments. At least twice, he used the example of SCHIP as where Kennedy compromised. This example has promise because it really was Teddy working to find what Hatch needed to get him on board.
Hatch's comment that S-CHIP is "center-right" is interesting and nonsensical. If it was center right why did about 6 or so Republicans and all the Democrats vote for it?

It is interesting in that Kennedy brought Hatch on board by making some relatively big changes to the Kerry/Kennedy bill that had been introduced the year before. The biggest changes were that each state could design their own plan and that it would not be an entitlement. Looking at what was changed to get SCHIP which passed, I think Kerry/Kennedy - which could not be passed in a Senate with 45 Democrats - would have been better - especially in red states, like Texas where then Governor Bush dragged his feet, even though it meant losing federal money. (Begala strangely made this an issue in 2000 book, but not in 2004.) But the bill was still the biggest increase in government assistance on health insurance, providing insurance for millions of kids who otherwise would not get it.

What is clear is that Hatch now thinks of that compromise as a victory for him. The Senators need to find what things could make our conservative Democrats and maybe some Republican "think" they won a victory, while passing a bill that still does what Kennedy (Obama etc) want.

[Inuca]

8. Sad indeed...

I spent more time than usual today on Kos and HuffPo on this issue, and most of the comments I saw were depressing. Not only that they were idiotically critical of Kerry (is calling him a noodle a criticism? or just idiocy?) but the lack of understanding of the fundamental issue, the "my way or the highway" (and if you chose the highway you are .... fill in the blanks for the silly invective of your choice) point of view, what can I say... really demoralizing. Why is it so different with the people that post here? Really, why? We usually agree, but not always, at times the discussion can get more heated, but at least it is a DISCUSSION. Are we on an average older? Better educated? Or is the simply fact that we all have a "soft spot" for Kerry the only self-selection needed :-)? I posted something about Kerry's comments in a different thread. One reply felt obliged to quote one of my (several) typos and deduce that I am a sock puppet posting from abroad (?!?!) because I rarely post and mostly about Kerry, another politely suggested that I take my shit elsewhere, and the last and most polite reply simply said that I don't know what I am talking about and that my post is BS. I couldn't care less about the rudeness of three unknowns, but I was shocked by the vitriol. I see it as a tiny example of the frayed nerves and irrational intransigences out there. This kind of attitude from the left scares (and disgusts) me ALMOST as much as the tea-bagging absurdities or death panels speculations.

[TayTay]

9. Extremism without intelligence is a lethal combination

and it is irrelevant to the debate. Totally irrelevant.

The republicans are doing this because they can. It is the only thing they can do at this point and they think it will undermine OBama and win back seats in the Congress, enough seats to prevent change. That is all they need to do.

Dems need to make change. You do that by cajoling people to your side. Rarely do you do that by bludgeoning people to death with insults. There are occasions when heavy handed tactics are effective, but there is a very steep price to pay for using them.

Step aside when the morons attack. There is nothing to be gained there. Look for a better group to fight with. It makes no difference to the morons and it tires you out if you keep fighting with them.

[wisteria]

10. So true. n/t

[Inuca]

17. Thanks Tay

Smart words, and maybe more even more important nice words :-).

[beachmom]

11. DailyKos has gone way downhill since Obama was inaugurated.

I miss the Obama supporters who used to post there during the campaign. Some were moderate, some were liberal, but all were polite and tolerant. But they left, when "The Left" took over. (By the way, if someone has a better term than The Left, I am open to it, but these people are left wingers ideologically (as opposed to liberals) and are just crazy and nasty people; and many of them get recommended diaries regularly, so I am not talking just a few bad apples).

If I can rant for a moment, somebody posted a diary a week or so ago that said the "FDIC has gone broke" as the title of their diary. It was on the Rec List. I thought this was rather an explosive charge and found none of the links in the diary to be that reputable. So I did some googling, and found out that the Obama Administration had anticipated that more banks would fail (Georgia is particularly bad -- we have a lot of smaller banks that have failed this year), and back in May had set up a line of credit from Treasury to the FDIC once they depleted what they had. It was merely accounting, and that's it; once the crisis is over, the FDIC will get the money back from the banks who normally exclusively fund the FDIC. So I went into that diary, and politely said the diary was wrong, and quoted Reuters and some economists who debunked some of the confusion about the FDIC. Well, I was treated with utter disdain by left wingers who LOVE catastrophe and conspiracy theory, apparently. But here is the thing: saying the FDIC is broke is a very dangerous thing to say. It tells people their money isn't safe, and if CNN had reported it like this, it could have caused a run on a bank. Yet people recommended this diary, because they loved the story. They are just as bad as Fox News.

Although I will find something interesting on Kos when I check it, I also find things that make me feel very estranged from the site, especially the anti-Obama diaries. I support the POTUS, to be clear, even if I disagree with him from time to time. I think he is doing a good job, and frankly, I don't want to hang out on a blog full of people who don't support him during these difficult times. By extension, of course, I support Sen. Kerry, and don't appreciate the vitriol that has been leveled against him by The Left for the last 5 years.

[fedupinBushcountry]

12. I call them the radical left

and IMO many of them are not even Democrats, I see the same thing here on DU. I think using "The Left" is a bit unfair to the rest of us who are proud to be on the left. JMO

[beachmom]

13. Okay, good idea. I actually call myself a "liberal" or "progressive", but

if some good folks call themselves the left, then I will from now on refer to these jerks as the Radical Left. You are right that they are not really Democrats.

Edit: actually now I remember an old phrase we used to use here: "Lefty freepers". That works, too.

[fedupinBushcountry]

14. "lefty freepers"

that works :thumbsup:

[Inuca]

16. What about radical stupid?

Sorry, I am quite upset by all this. I spent most of the week-end half watching TV and saying good bye to Teddy and half online, some of the left over time thinking (I should have probably given more time to thinking and less to online!). This kind of intolerance and narrow mindedness from the (stupid) left is definitely not "what Teddy would have wanted".

A better one actually: the INTOLERANT left. I am very intolerant of intolerance.

[Inuca]

15. I could not agree more

"as bad as Fox news"... that's what triggered my own rant yesterday, I just could not believe the nastiness of the replies I got. As I said, I really could not care less on a personal level, what bothers me is the significance of such nastiness and pettiness (the typo comment) against somebody who you may disagree with, even strongly disagree, no problem with that, but who is obviously on the same "side" as you. We/they no longer have any moral standing to criticize the other side when they are nasty, stupid, and vitriolic.

All this reminds me of the quote from Biden about Teddy, one of the quotes that I found most touching among so many: "never was petty" :-(