Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Wonderful piece by Chairman Kerry in WSJ OpEd today (9/29/09)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » DU Groups » Democrats » John Kerry Group Donate to DU
 
TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:32 AM
Original message
Wonderful piece by Chairman Kerry in WSJ OpEd today (9/29/09)
A very well-timed, informed and thoughtful piece by Senator Kerry in the http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574438660617984826.html">Wall Street Journal today.

The situation in Afghanistan has clearly changed since last March when the president unveiled his goal of defeating al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan. He and his advisers are exploring alternatives in light of the conditions on the ground and we should welcome the careful reassessment.

So far, the debate has focused on absolute numbers—how many U.S. and allied troops are required, how many Afghan soldiers and police do we need to train, how many more billions must we pour into that impoverished country? All the numbers are meaningless if the goal is ambiguous or the strategy is wrong.

Before we send more of our young men and women to this war, we need a fuller debate about what constitutes success in Afghanistan. We need a clearer understanding of what constitutes the right strategy to get us there. Ultimately, we need to understand, as Gen. Colin Powell was fond of asking, "What's the exit strategy?" Or as Gen. David Petraeus asked of Iraq, "How does it end?


This is clearly someone with a life time of experience asking the right questions before the US makes a commitment it might either regret or not be able to fulfill. This is the former warrior who knows that the time to ask life or death questions is before the troops are sent, not after.

I am so glad to see Sen. Kerry as Chair of SFRC. Right man, right time and the right circumstances. The whole opinion piece is up online at WSJ. Very worth a read.
Refresh | 0 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:53 AM
Response to Original message
1. I also loved this n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 02:19 PM
Response to Original message
2. Very well written and thought provoking editorial.
If anyone knows their stuff on this subject, it's Sen. Kerry (both as a foreign policy expert and as a decorated veteran).

"I am so glad to see Sen. Kerry as Chair of SFRC. Right man, right time and the right circumstances"

100% agree. :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 03:52 PM
Response to Original message
3. But where does John Kerry stand?
Do you think Lt. Kerry would be impressed simply if a Senator asked questions? What year are we in metaphorically? 1965 or 1968?

I liked the essay but it is merely a beginning point. I want to see the moment where Sen. Kerry comes to a decision (or is it when Pres. Obama comes to a decision, and Kerry gives him his support whether he agrees or disagrees?). I still feel muddled by what is happening. I DO like that the President has put the brakes on more troops. But I also think Gen. McChrystal is right that time is running out.

I assume Obama wakes up every day and thinks: do NOT be like LBJ!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I think Lt. Kerry was impressed by SFRC questions
He chose to testify before the Committee, whose job it is, surely, to find out via investigation and questioning what their position should be on an issue and what advice they should offer the President.

I don't think JK's questions and investigations as Chairman of the SFRC are "simple" in any way -- I think he takes them with deadly seriousness and has the power to dig very deeply into a matter as vital the committing of troops in time of war. I believe Lt. Kerry would be relieved to know that someone with power and influence was trying to find out the truth.

I'm relieved, too, as it is very muddling and Obama has a very thankless decision to make. I'll definitely be watching the SFRC hearing on Afghanistan and Pakistan on Thursday.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. Yes and no
The trick, the balance to be maintained, is to not be intimidated by history nor try to be ruled by it. I think that the good Chairman is doing that. No one event is ever exactly replicated by history. Afghanistan is not Vietnam, but it carries echoes of policy mistakes and challenges the other war had. Can the participants who are still around from Vietnam bring some wisdom from that experience to the situation in Afghanistan now, before we harden the strategy for the next few years? That is the challenge.

Sen. Kerry's role as a US Senator and Chair of the SFRC is to listen to a vast array of voices and then make a decision. He is being and should be attentive to what the military commanders on the ground are saying. These are not stupid people or people who wish the country ill. (As we all know. No one would make that argument.) Then the Rep or Sen. makes an informed decision and pursues it and can council the President.

I think that is happening now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. Taken in conjunction with the hearings that Kerry has had and will have
it seems that Kerry is attempting to do the testing every underlying assumption. I am not sure there is an exact equivalent Vietnam year, but 1965 may be closer. Someone on one of the talk shows yesterday (Will?) used 1965 when troops increased to 184,300 from 23,300. In 1965, there was not a huge amount of antiwar sentiment. What may be an equivalent to then was that Fullbright held his first round of hearings. One hopeful difference may be that Obama is not LBJ and Obama has in recent weeks used language that shows some impact from Kerry, either 1971 or recent years - saying he will not make decisions to save face.

1968 was from a MUCH higher point than we are now and there was already substantial agreement that we needed to find an exit. Doing so was in both parties 1968 platforms. It was also the point where troops levels started to decrease. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/U.S._Troop_levels_in_Vietnam_War

I think Kerry is trying very hard to have hearings with good people representing each point of view ably and with knowledge and he is asking tough questions of all of them. To me, he is creating a public record that will provide support for taking a position. In this piece, there are echoes of things said in the hearings. For instance, several people latched onto the phrase "good enough governance once it was used - to his credit Kerry assigns authorship of the phrase to the expert who used it. In the second hearing, that idea became the basis of much discussion.

This week there will be a hearing on the impact on Pakistan. From last week's hearings, that was one of two things that Obama's original policy considered most important - the other being keeping AQ from using Afghanistan as a safe base. To me, this hearing represents a first step in building a solid case for whatever decision is to be made. I think the oped is an attempt to bring people into seeing the complexities of the decision process and to show the questions that need to be (and will be) addressed. It seems like the first steps in creating a proof (mathematics/science) or a case (law) for a recommendation. As Kerry is known to be an Obama confidant, there is some possibility that this emerging "case" could be useful as backup for Obama in defending the choice he makes.

I think Kerry will have a public position, that will be based on his own knowledge and all the input that he can get analyzed to the best of his ability. At this point, Kerry's hearings are public - as is this op-ed - and they are asking questions. In addition, the NYT says Kerry is one of the three people (outside the administration I think is implied) that Obama is influenced by.) I assume that Kerry is likely more decisive in what he says privately to the President. It may well be that Kerry speaking privately has more impact than Kerry taking a strong policy contrary to Obama's - as he did with Bush on "the path forward" or Kerry/Feingold. It might be that while he has great potential to influence behind the scenes, achieving real change even if he is not seen as the source, he will keep disagreements low key.

But, given the intensity of Kerry's comments on Iraq - such as - that he could not as a senator in good standing stay quiet when the policy is wrong, I think that if Kerry comes to find that he disagrees with Obama's plan, he will publicly disagree. Since March he has pointedly spoken of his concerns, especially the last time HRC testified.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 04:15 PM
Response to Original message
5. It is a good piece and I agree that we can not be to hasty in sending in more troops.
Edited on Mon Sep-28-09 04:19 PM by wisteria
It would be wise to actually assess the entire situation and not just jump at the time worn strategy of just sending in more troops. We should not just react to this situation in Afghanistan. Reacting instead of clearly thinking out or rationalizing the situation, usually ends badly.
Republican's are all up in arms about not just listening to McChrystal and sending in more troops. This new urgency from them is laughable when they said very little about Afghanistan when Pres. Bush was in office. Now they act as if we have a fire to put out. I just got an earful from Kit Bond on CNN, who thinks we should just listen to General McChrystal and send the troops in. Nothing is sacred to them-even our soldier's lives-everything is politics. All the more reason to just ignore them on this.

Personally, I would like to see Kerry's strategy attempted- counter terrorism. His book, "The New War" comes to mind.

He is certainly a great chairman, but I still believe he would have been just as impressive- if not more so-as SOS. (You know I will never give up on this, LOL)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:50 PM
Response to Original message
7. Some
perspective here.




Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-29-09 07:20 AM
Response to Original message
9. My very short read on this
A very thoughtful analysis, with both depth and breadth, that has Obama's back, in the sense that it shows the complexity of the situation and implicitly of the decision that Obama has to make. It helps giving him some breathing space, not much, but some.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec 22nd 2024, 04:06 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » DU Groups » Democrats » John Kerry Group Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC