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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 09:51 AM
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Kerry: criticism of Obama on oil spill 'ridiculous'
Whoa! Matt Viser remembers we have two senators.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/05/kerry_criticism.html

Kerry: criticism of Obama on oil spill 'ridiculous'
E-mail|Link|Comments (1)Posted by Matt Viser, reporter May 26, 2010 10:31 AM
By Matt Viser, Globe Staff

WASHINGTON – Senator John Kerry this morning aggressively defended President Obama’s handling of the oil spill in the Gulf Coast, and said the spill illustrated the need for Congress to act on the Massachusetts Democrat’s signature climate change bill.

“This is ridiculous folks,” Kerry said this morning at an hourlong breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. “From day one, this administration has had its top personnel all over this issue. They don’t drill wells, companies do. And the oil companies are the people who are supposed to have the technology to shut it down.”

“We’ve had this lack of oversight for years,” Kerry added. “The president’s been in office for a year and a half and suddenly a well blows out and everybody says, ‘Why can’t you plug it?’”

Kerry, along with Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, filed legislation earlier this month that aims to reduce reliance on foreign oil while putting a price on carbon emissions and providing billions of dollars in incentives for industry to drastically cut greenhouse gases.

Some critics have suggested that the oil spill has added to the political uncertainty of passing the legislation this year, although Kerry argues that it makes his case stronger that more alternative energy sources should be promoted.

“Drilling is not what this bill is about,” Kerry said. “This bill is about liberating us from drilling.”
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:02 AM
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1. More here. It seems Kerry is more or less resigned not to get a vote this year.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/26/john-kerry-election-fear-could-delay-energy-push-to-next-year/


John Kerry: 'Election Fear Factor' Could Delay Energy Push to Next Year

Sen. John Kerry, prime mover of a comprehensive energy bill aimed at reducing carbon emissions and moving the country away from oil dependence, said Democratic senators will meet after their Memorial Day recess to figure out whether it is possible to bring the bill to the Senate floor this year. If the "election fear factor" can't be overcome, he said, referring to the upcoming midterm elections, he will push for the bill again next year.

At a Christian Science Monitor breakfast with reporters, Kerry said the American Power Act he introduced with independent Sen. Joe Lieberman is "America's best opportunity to recalibrate our economy and move into the creation of millions of jobs" in the energy field. The bill aims to reduce carbon emissions by 17 percent through a cap-and-trade system allowing polluters to buy and sell emissions permits.

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Kerry said his message to the public is, "Don't be intimidated by the naysayers and the short-term political exploiters who call everything a tax, who say no to everything." He said only 2 percent of U.S. businesses are covered by the bill, and they are responsible for 75 percent of greenhouse gas emissions. Utilities would not be covered until 2013, he said; heavy industry would be covered in 2016. Agriculture and small businesses would be completely exempt.


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Still, he acknowledged the bill might not make it to the floor this year. "Health care pushed us back. We've been dealt a difficult hand," he said. "I can't tell you for certain that this is going to happen."

At the breakfast, Kerry highlighted a Third Way report asserting that the carbon price proposed in the American Power Act would reduce American's energy bills and create nearly 1.9 million jobs by 2020.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 10:34 AM
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2. It is sad, but if Kerry, the optimist, is willing to say this, it looks like that's what will happen
The NYT has an article that looks at it form Reid's perspective in his tough race. http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/05/26/26climatewire-reid-in-fistfight-could-take-more-punches-fr-84354.html

It really is too bad that Big oil, the AEI, and the other powers that have mocked the science and have distorted any bills likely have won the PR war here. What is really troubling is that it looks like the reactionary Republicans are winning the primaries. If they win the general election races, this will only get far harder. Not to mention, as it will be a new Congress, the Waxman/Markey bill will have to be reintroduced and voted on. We would have to start fresh.

I think unless President Obama makes a major, concerted effort - like he did with the Stimulus Package, this is not going to happen and won't happen in his first term. This means there will be no chance for an international effort.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 04:55 PM
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5. Wow, that is depressing. :( I'm glad JK is evidentally sticking with it though
That's the only way anything "controversial" like this ever gets done. Look at HCR. So many people thought it was dead, especially after Brown got in. But look what happened.

Guess the "glass is half full" outlook and approach is the only way, though it is frustrating, especially when it's so obvious that the status quo is NOT the answer!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 12:17 PM
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3. Here is the Christian Monitor report with a video.
Edited on Wed May-26-10 12:18 PM by Mass
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 03:16 PM
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4. Great interview
I bough the pass so I could see the whole thing - and Kerry was very very good.

Here is my summary:
Kerry was first given a chance to give some preliminary comments.

He said that there is more going on than there has been in any time he was in public life - and it was challenging - and likely to get more so. He then spoke of how even though so much is being done, they are still side stepping some of the biggest challenges. Then he listed what had been done - the stimulus and the bailout of the banks; healthcare; and financial reform - with smaller things like education and Lily Ledbetter.

But, on some things we are not keeping up with the rest of the world. Our biggest challenge is our economic future. We need to decide what the US will produce. That we need to figure out how to raise the standard of living of our workers. Need new jobs with higher value added to justify higher wages. We need to step up to the challenge - because India, Brazil and China are growing in both economic power and population. Canada, the US, and Europe aren't.

He then spoke of the American Power Act(APC) being the single biggest economic transformation opportunity to get a footing in the biggest market. He spoke of the technology market of the 1990s being a $ 1 trillion market with 1 billion users. Energy is a $6 trillion market with 6 trillion users. "the mother of all markets" China, Brazil, Mexico, and Germany are moving faster to exploit it. Alternative energy products now top German industry. China is a leader in solar and wind technologies - though much was invented her. (He spoke of A123 having to go to China to manufacture, because there was no investment money here. They are coming back to build in Detroit.

This is best opportunity to recalibrate the economy - quoted Peterson study (that Prosense posted) that the APA projected to create 200,000 jobs @ year for 10 years. It is also projected to cut by 40 - 50% the oil from foreign countries. (funding both sides of the war)

He asked that they not be intimidated by those that call everything a tax. This is an opportunity to strengthen national security, economic security and reduce pollution, which makes for healthier lives.

Only 2% of businesses are covered, but they account for 75% of the pollution and agriculture is not covered. Utilities covered in 2013 and heavy industry in 2016. He spoke of the unprecedented coalition behind this. Spoke of how putting a cost on carbon would help things like a solar heater by Honeywell that does not sell in teh US, but does in China nad India. McKinsey study spoke of the first 15 years being essentially free, because there are so many things that cut carbon and lead to chaper costs oaying for themselves.

Questions:
1)Impact on the Gulf (this was the free preview - and Kerry's only gaffe in this incredible 50 minutes - "2 states" = Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico - clearly meant two places.

He went on to make the case that APA gives states more power than they have now. They can reject projects off their shores or off the shores of a neighboring state if the EPA report says they can be harmed. Now, the President can open drilling anywhere 3 miles or more off shore with no state approval.

He spoke of other features of the bill - like the grid system which will allow energy from wind power produced in ND to be used elsewhere.

2) Asked about Graham moving to wanting just smaller bills from the APA. Kerry answered pretty aggressively that Graham had said that it would be "half assed" to have a bill without pricing carbon - something Kerry said was essential. He then said that he was not going to "negotiate with himself" on this before it was in Congress.

3) Asked if he was disappointed in Obama's support _ he defended Obama and said Obama supports it and spoke of Axelrod speaking in support of it. Said Obama spoke of it to the Republican conference and that he spoke to Reid. Kerry said the issue would be brought up in the caucus when they returned from Memorial Day and there would be a meeting with Reid and the 6 chairs involved.

Kerry then himself shifted to defending Obama against the attacks that he did not act. (lots of the BG article) Spoke of Stephen Chu pulling together many brilliant people to work on solutions. He spoke of the 8 year cozy relationship with gOv't and the energy companies - which is changing. Spoke of the split proposed in MMS. Agreed that the companies had an inadequate failsafe, level of preparation to deal with this - and that had to be improved. Spoke of having been consistently against off shore drilling in the past - at least in Massachusetts, but we are stuck with this untine we have new technology.

4) Asked if he thought it could pass this year - spoke of the year being really just June, July, Sept and October and there were lots of things that needed to be done including the budget. Again stressed it was the best thing to do for the economy, cleaner air and national security.

5) N Korea. - rouge state, follows no rules, imprisoned own people and it has thumbed its nose at the world. China is reluctant on sanctions which he thinks are needed - he does not think war likely.

6) Russia - Spoke of how Russia is in a different position than in the Bush years - then they were oil rich and now they have economic problems and see the need of connections with Europe. Spoke of a convergence of interests (the basis for good working relations)

7) Process on creating the bill. Interesting little comments that rather than immediately going to colleagues and having them tell them of the interests that hold them back (ex Kohl and coal), they went to work with the stakeholder interests. This has allowed them to get further. Said that some of these interests were themselves lobbying the Senate.

Mentioned the alternative is that the EPA can order changes, but they do not have the ability to have funds that cushion the transitions.

8) Susan Page asked about the Brown election asking Kerry if he ever saw this much anger in the electorate. Kerry said that the 1960s were angrier and that in 1974 there was anger over Watergate. Said that the current anger was less focused. He spoke of it being rooted in unemployment, reduced incomes, insecurity and fears over things like illegal immigration and things unravelling. He spoke of how they rail agaisnt government but want their social security and medicare and want the government to fix the spill in the Gulf.

Spoke of how the Obama administration has really responded remarkably even before he took office. We were on verge of another great depression - that we started to respond to under Bush and Paulson. There were 750,000 jobs lost the month that Obama took office and now we are gaining 200,000 - but jobs are not back to where they were, incomes have gone down. Mentioned again that APA should be the next stimulus act. Kerry said the Democrats had to do a better job selling what they did.

9) Asked about the National security strategy - has not seen the final copy.

Spoke of the criticality of doing something in the Middle east. This is the end of the window for the two state solution. he spoke of Syria having a huge number of kids reaching 18 each year with no jobs. spoke of the frustration level growing. Said that Hairi of Lebanon said that he was likely not to be in power in 5 years if there was no peace.

10) Asked if a government group would be created with the task of handling oil spills. Kerry didn't think that was a way Congress would go. Spoke of this being the job of the people drilling the wells. Spoke of more oversight and rules. (sub question on did he think it would stop leaking - mentioned that the relief well - which was a 90 day project would make many other things possible - but much damage in the meanwhile.

11) Last question was from MATT - very likely Matt Viser. Very young, dark curlyish hair, slender, nervous energy (seen from behind) Question was about the dynamics of the bill given the dynamics of the elections. Kerry said a month is a life time in politics - 5 months is 5 lifetimes - said he has seen the dire predictions. Said that some might have an ostrich strategy on this and that's their choice. Kerry spoke of the fact that it is still imperative to pass this bill. Spoke of meeting with sportsmen recently- mostly Republicans and Independents - concerned that the habitat is changing and this impacts their hunting. Said that they said that they want this bill passed. Spoke of people killing each other in the Sudan over wells. Said there might be 200,000 climate refugees. Said they might not get enough Senators out of This "election fear factory" this year - but it is not going away.

(Just a guess, Matt can relate better with a guy who says that painting his office is a highlight and tells little stories which go nowhere about how he is bonding with everyone than to a man who can intelligently speak on any issue without notes. Not once did he say that he needs a study it more to get a position.)
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 05:13 PM
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6. good analysis of who Matt best relates to , and why : )
I loved JK's reply to him, by the way. "5 months is 5 lifetimes". . boy, is that ever true, especially lately!! Thanks also for reporting on the whole interview for us.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:00 PM
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8. Kerry got a laugh when he spoke of 5 lifetimes
then got a bigger laugh by saying something like lately a weekend is a lifetime with the news cycles.

I figured that many might not want to buy the pass - so I figured I would use mine well and try to capture as much as I could.

Two tiny catnip things -

While Kerry was being introduced he was playing with a silver fork on the table in front of him

When they spoke of him having been at these breakfasts before and that his wonderful (not sure of adjective) daughters spoke at one as well, the mention of his daughters got a nice smile from him.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 06:12 PM
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9. Thanks. I read what was printed in different papers, but your play by play plugs the holes.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 08:58 PM
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10. Thanks, Karen. This article strikes me as very biased:
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/05/26/john-kerry-says-voter-anger-at-washington-is-hypocritical.html

"John Kerry Says Voter Anger at Washington Is Hypocritical"

Would you say it is an unfair article about the interview?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:10 PM
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11. Kerry did not say "hypocritical",which is a judgmental word for the
contrast between saying that they don't want government, but then on big specific things actually DO want government to be there. If the word, hypocritical were not there, I would think it is very close to what Kerry said. (It is also close to what he said immediately after Brown won.)

The word hypocritical casts a negative aspersion that I didn't pick up, much the opposite - he described their anger coming from things being bad, few jobs and declining income - "unraveling" as he did say. I got the impression of the anger being an inchoate mass of emotion that is coming from very real problems.

My impression is that the writer got a lot of details right, but misunderstood the tone completely. Maybe because it was complicated. It is the writer who has difficulty accepting Kerry's view that the Obama administration has done a great job and Kerry's acknowledgment that there is a valid cause for the anger that many feel because things are bad. (This is not partisan - we see the same unwillingness to give credit because things are bad on DU all the time.) Kerry did speak of needing to do a better job selling what has been done.

In a way, this might be tied to what to me was among the most interesting things Kerry said - which was that we have sidestepped important issues - like the economic future. When Kerry spoke of needing to find a way to get the jobs with enough value added to command better pay, I was reminded of his 1993 NAFTA speech, which was a non-demagogue version of two Americas. (A connection from this part of Kerry's remarks to the anger question might be that that side stepped issue is at the heart of what generates the anger. People trying to do what they were always told was needed for success are finding no opportunities. Government as the embodiment of society is the focus of the anger because it did keep the implicit promises.)



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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 06:50 AM
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13. Thanks a lot for the summary n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-10 09:07 AM
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14. Here's another article
Although the title likely needs context, it is a good article. http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/26/john-kerry-election-fear-could-delay-energy-push-to-next-year/

(The context needed is that that assessment was essentially a concession to Viser's question. It also ended with Kerry saying that the imperative of doing this was not going to go away. Kerry was in no way implying that he would not continue to fight on.)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 05:15 PM
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7. I agree with John Kerry here.
I can't figure out how this is Obama's fault. It's a) BP's fault and b) I am in the camp who things this is a catastrophe for which we can't fix it. By all means, they should keep trying. But my view is the main safety things that should have happened at the outset did not, and it's been SOL ever since.

But, instead of acknowledging full scale impotence, blame the most powerful person in the country. It makes sense emotionally, but not logically. I am particularly irked by way too many on the left blaming Obama, which I have seen all over the place. That is so stupid on so many levels.

Where one could blame Obama is:

1. Not fixing the MMS as soon as he got into office. Basically, there were Bush problems in that agency and only now is that going to be fixed. Too late.

2. Continuing to push offshore drilling. Not using this moment as an opportunity to push the climate bill.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-10 11:24 PM
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12. I agree with you completely (even more than with JK here)
On 2) Obama was always more in favor of offshore drilling than Kerry. That is the only issue in 2008, where I remember that Kerry had to clearly make the distinction between his person opinion and Obama's position that he was articulating as a surrogate. Reading Graham's comments - where he is obviously unhappy that Kerry and Lieberman added constraints, I wish that Kerry's comments here were Obama's position.

There is an interesting poll on Daily Kos tonight - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/26/870276/-New-poll-shows-the-time-to-act-is-now What is fascinating here is that the poll that trades of economy vs the environment made a HUGE shift to the "environment". Kerry has been nearly alone saying that the oil spill makes passing this bill more important. Almost everyone else has said the opposite. This poll suggests that you are right Obama should be using his position to push the climate bill. (Kerry was positive about Obama's actions on this, but not all that convincing especially as complaining about Obama would not help - it would hurt.)

The overall tone of Kerry's support for the bill was passionate. He will continue to fight for this.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:30 AM
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15. The CSM has more quotes from their breakfast
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/monitor_breakfast/2010/0615/Q-A-with-Massachusetts-Sen.-John-Kerry

(On the anger question that was controversial they have this part:

"It is an anger that is directed at a number of different things. It is directed at the sense that Washington is not responding. It is an anger that grows out of people's change-of-life status, incomes have been reduced.... It is legitimate, completely legitimate, but not completely organized or focused in the sense that the very same people who say, 'Get the big government out of my life' want their Medicare."


(The part eliminated after reduced is a list of other things like benefits squeezed, hard to afford college, harder to get a job etc )
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