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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:13 PM
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Take care, everyone
Haven't posted in the DUJK group in a while, but thanks for holding it down for five and half years.

I know I have contributed to a lot of mini flamewars, some good, some not so good, but it is time for this DUer and Kerry supporter to hit the road and find some purpose outside of politics.

I know I have posted some biting sarcasm against Senator Kerry of late, and it has not been helpful at all to this group and people that still support and admire this man, his work and family.

If anyone close to the Senator or MA residents are reading this thread, thanks trying to point out the facts. I get them, but my tendency of being redundant has caused some good Kerrycrats to rethink why I am here or what motives I have.

I have continued to visit and read here daily before venturing out to GD/GDP. It still is a good place, but you can't make people who don't get people you like pay attention. So, as of now, or the last few days, my time here is numbered. I have angered a lot of people here since 2008 or 2007, and but I am no longer needed or welcomed here and at DU. I just wish that more people could see what a nice Senator, statesman Kerry is and what he has to offer towards an Obama agenda.


To the K-crats, and MA DUers for continuing to hold it down. Keep up the good work. I wish Senator Kerry and everyone the very best.




Peace,

polticasista
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:16 PM
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1. I don't know what to say
Except that I wish you wouldn't leave! I think we've all dialed down our political involvement a little for the moment, but we've all been around this place for quite a few years now, and I think small disagreements don't mean that we don't still respect and care about each other! I get the impression that you still support Senator Kerry, so why not continue to hang out, and concentrate on what we all have in common, which is patriotism, compassion and decency. Just my opinion, but I hope you'll keep checking in when you feel like it.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 10:25 PM
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2. I agree with Luftmensch067.
We all come from different backgrounds and have had different experiences in life, so we will certainly have a differing opinion from time to time. I don't think it is a personal thing when it get heated here, it is just all of us expressing ourselves and attempting to get people to understand our point of view. Sometimes we can see the others points and at other times we cannot. It may be bullheadedness, it may be an unwillingness to budge or it may be that we just know we are correct about something. But, ultimately, it is all of us exercising our right to free speech.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 08:38 AM
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5. I think she mistakes push back on her comments as personal
Edited on Mon Jul-12-10 08:54 AM by karynnj
BLM and I were clearly the ones referred to in an excellent Prosense thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x366491

I get that she sees her family does not have the respect for Kerry that they had for the Clintons, Gores, and Kennedys. That may be representative and may reflect the extreme uneven playing field of 2004 in the media and the lack of genuine support from the Clinton wing in 2004. In the past, MA people have responded to her that Kerry does have AA support in MA. People have responded on his excellent civil rights record - including on speaking on environmental justice. An issue that the Clintons certainly did not act on when he was governor of Arkansas. People also posted that Kerry got a higher percent of AA vote than either Clinton or Gore. Each time there is push back, she takes it as a personal rejection, which it isn't.

There are four problems with this ALWAYS being her issue.
1) Unless Kerry were again running for national office, his personal popularity in TN is not important. His historical reputation will ultimately be based on his record. Obviously, his record will get less attention than that of a President, but important Senators do make there marks. Senators Fullbright, Lugar, and Church will all be remembered for their leadership as chairs of the SFRC. Senator Kennedy likely made more contributions to the country as Senator than Bill Clinton did as President for two terms.

2) Kerry's record on AA issues, and all issues of justice is about as good as it gets - far better than Gore and Clinton. This suggests that the problem might be that this threatens black powers that be as much as white powers that be. Oprah's lack of support might well have reflected that she fared very well under Bush. As a leading black voice, where is she on environmental justice? Oprah does not live on the South side of Chicago and, on issues like this, she is likely closer to her fellow Gold Coast neighbors that to those living next environmental pollutants.

3) Kerry's actions here are to get a bill passed. The current CW is that he is working his heart out passionately lobbied to gain support from fellow Senators. He is simultaneously using every bit of intelligence and political skill he has to gain support for something that without him would have died last summer. The key issues here are NOT Van Jones' issue that the green job be fairly distributed - though that is an important secondary issue.

4) She buys every negative comment on DU to assume that Kerry is unpopular here. In general, he isn't. What is clear is that many hold him to a higher standard than they do other Senators. In most cases, it reflects that they expect more from him - which is fair because that is the expectation he set, but implicit in accepting that expectation is the view that he is not a hack politician. It is an expectation sufficiently high that he will sometimes miss the mark.

One thing to put this all in perspective. This weekend, my husband and I were at the Paley Center (the former Broadcast Museum) in NYC. They have archives of TV (and radio)that you can watch. By chance, we found that they had video of the CBS coverage of the 1960 Democratic Convention. We watched most of the entire first day (fast forwarding through entertainment and things like the prayer.) Frank Church, then a 35 year old Senator gave the keynote speech.

JFK was the front runner, but did not have 761 delegates (the number needed) as the convention started. Only a few states had open primaries then that determined their nominees - most states' delegates were still controlled by state party bosses. (The rules for that year had significantly cut the power of the party bosses from earlier years.)

One shock for my husband and I was that Eleanor Roosevelt, liberal icon, was speaking out forcefully and often against Kennedy as the nominee - Why? She argued that he could not get the "Negro" vote and that the Catholic issue was not really dead. She thought Stevenson/Kennedy would be unbeatable. Truman also was strongly against JFK getting the nomination.

The second shock was the wrap up of the first day's coverage by the CBS reporters there - including Murrow and Cronkite. There was consensus that the JFK people could wrap up the nomination - maybe in the first ballot, but they spoke of how there was a lack of confidence and enthusiasm among the Democrats there in JFK's ability to win - even though the popularity of the Eisenhower administration had waned.

Now, I was only 10 in 1960, and my memories, formed mostly by what I learned later that decade, was that JFK was a rock star, whose charisma led him to victory. Yet, imagine that close election had gone the other way - and we were time warped into an internet age. A lose would have completely changed the spin (just as a Kerry win would have). One certainty is that the Roosevelt charge likely would have resurfaced into charges similar to hers - no matter what the voting reflected.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 06:24 AM
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3. I'm with Luftmensch and Wisteria!
I must have missed the events you referred to,since I don't even know what angry moments and discussions you're referring to!
I only know that it's nice to have your perspective in the mix.

Taking a break from politics can be a good thing--I myself have dialed it down a bit since the 2008 election. But
do please continue to consider yourself part of our cyber-conversation, OK? :hi:
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 12:49 PM
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4. I agree completely. One of the reasons I like DU...
...and DUJK especially...IS the differing perspectives. I am also quite opinionated on certain things. On others, I want to learn more. This group has taught me SO much on a variety of issues.

Hang around, politicasista! We love you here. :hug:
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 12:20 PM
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6. Take a break, hide threads that upset you, and then come back.
I've had conflicts just as bad as yours, so I hid the thread and avoided DU for a while. Sometimes I'll go on News Fasts, where I ban all news from my consciousness, or limit it to just magazines in paper form. But just some friendly advice: avoid threads like this one in the future. "GBCW" (Goodbye Cruel World). Most likely, you'll be back, and we'll be here with welcoming arms. But then you'll feel a bit foolish for writing the GBCW thread. Just sayin'. :)

Have a nice vacation from politics.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 01:07 PM
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7. Lots of wisdom here...
...beachmom. :hi:
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 10:50 AM
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8. I can relate to what you're going through.
If you feel now is the time to move on, then I wish you the best of luck.
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