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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 12:37 PM
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Did I miss something or is this guy wrong?
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 01:16 PM by Mass
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=1&docID=news-000003730851

Furthermore, any shift by Boehner does not change the dynamics in the Senate, where the legislation is likely to move first. There, 60 votes will be needed and no Republicans have signaled their support for the administration’s policy. In addition, several Senate Democrats, including Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Evan Bayh of Indiana and John Kerry of Massachusetts, have expressed wariness about allowing any of the tax cuts to expire.

(aside from the fact that the author is making a distinction between Cantor and Boehner that does not exist.) Where did Kerry say something about that?

Here is the Boston Globe article concerning Kerry's take on the tax cuts.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/09/kerry_says_bush.html

Edit

Here is the new version of the paragraph, which still includes Kerry

Lieberman joins several other members of the Senate Democratic caucus who have expressed reluctance about allowing the top income tax rate cuts to expire. That group includes Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Kent Conrad of North Dakota, Evan Bayh of Indiana and John Kerry of Massachusetts.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:26 PM
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1. That guy is just making things up
Edited on Mon Sep-13-10 01:41 PM by karynnj
Kerry has spoken of getting rid of the tax cuts on the top consistently for at least 6 years! The BOston Globe comment is in line with every comment that I ever heard Kerry make. The fact is he has no direct quote or reference.

I commented with the BG quote, which is pretty unambiguous.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 08:34 AM
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3. No comments are showing up. I just posted one, too, but I don't
see your comment, which I assume you left some time ago.

Now that I think about it, John Kerry has been in favor of raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans since at least 2003. For God's sake, why won't this numbskull elaborate where he is getting this information.

Kerry is on the Finance Committee, and sometimes is for things I am against, but his broader philosphy is that the wealthy should pay more.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 08:45 AM
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5. Yep it never showed up
Edited on Tue Sep-14-10 09:01 AM by karynnj
It was absolutely not controversial and not rude - and I am sure yours was the same. It seems clear that the writer might be taking "disinformation" from a Republican wanting to disable one of the strongest Democrats in speaking out on this - given both his abilities to speak clearly on this and his own wealth. Unlike the others, where there are reputable articles that have direct quotes from the Senators, in Kerry's case all the direct quotes are as strong as possible - in the opposite direction.

A clue that he KNOWS it is shaky or wrong is that JK is listed LAST. As JK is by far the best known and significant of the group, the normal order would place him first and would further argue that the willingness goes beyond conservative Democrats. It also would likely have noted (or even explored) why his position changed from 2004, when he DAILY said multiple times that the tax cuts needed to be rolled back. Had JK changed his position, it would have been very significant - but he didn't.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:21 AM
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6. I wonder if this is another of these idiots confusing Kerry and Kerrey.
While I was not able to find any quote from Kerrey, I would not be surprised he has taken the same position as Nelson.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:47 AM
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8. No, it's more that the only other publication pushing this crap is the NY Post.
nypost.com/p/news/business/isn_that_rich_QkB62XJL68Wz5oJnRhRPHJ

add http://www.

More fissures were revealed yesterday in the once-solid Democratic opposition to extending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

During a recent informal canvassing of fellow senators, the chair of the powerful Finance Committee threw out the idea of extending the tax cuts -- albeit for a limited time, perhaps for two years -- as part of a larger package of legislation aimed at helping the middle-class, sources told The Post yesterday.

The package would include help on easing the bite of the estate tax, a source familiar with the discussions led by Sen. Max Baucus said.

Sen. Baucus is said to have gotten a somewhat positive response from fellow Democratic senators John Kerry, Kent Conrad and Evan Bayh.


Those are the only two places pushing this idea. Hmmm.




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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:54 AM
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9. Newsmax has it as well, except they say that Baucus's thing is old and that he now flip-flops with
the Globe position

http://www.
newsmax.com/InsideCover/JohnKerryFlip-FlopsTax-Cuts/2010/09/14/id/370190
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 11:03 AM
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10. Well ... this clearly look like the Republicans are pushing this
Here Newsmax speaks of an "on the record comment" from last summer by Kerry. Yet, none of us saw it ... which should give pause because if said on record, it would have been news as that was NOT Kerry's position of about 7 years!

Newsmax is interesting in that they clearly KNOW the counter (the BG) is out there. So, they are really pedaling the "flip flop" meme because they know that worked in 2004 - even though there was NO real flip flop even then.

The reference to Baucus is interesting as Baucus likely has to have sounded out the limits of what anyone might agree to. It would be unlikely for ANYONE to absolutely rule out voting to extend them for one year provided it was in a bill that already permanently eliminated the taxes on people below $250,000. That would effectively kill them one year later - as the only way to extend them then would require overriding an Obama veto. I would hope that if this were agreed to, it would be done with the Democrats all making the point that they did NOT think it was a good thing to do, but was done for bipartisanship. (kind of the Democratic version of what Boehner said. I have a different take on why Boehner said what he did. It costs nothing as the Senate is the easier place to block anything and it makes it harder to use the idea of "Speaker Boehner" as a scare tactic. Though House races are local, it must have some power as both parties always try. We know Kerry used a similar ploy in his Senate race against Weld.)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:41 PM
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11. Newsmax is another right wing source though.
I guess what I am saying is that the only legitimate source that went with this story was CQ. No one else has bitten, because, well, it's patently false.

It just goes to show the right can just make something up and it will get published somewhere.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:27 PM
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2. Well according to this at least, that's wrong...
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/09/kerry_says_bush.html

Senator John Kerry, among the wealthiest lawmakers on Capitol Hill, is falling in line behind the president and saying he believes tax cuts for the middle class should be extended but those for the highest wage-earners should be allowed to expire.

The Bush-era cuts are set to expire at the end of this year without action from Congress, setting the stage for a bitter partisan dispute about exactly what should be done.

Republicans say hiking taxes will hurt the already wobbly economy and that many small business owners fall within the targeted tax brackets -- individuals earning more than $200,000 annually and families with income totaling more than $250,000. They appear poised to block any measure extending the cuts unless it includes higher wage-earners.

Democrats have dismissed such assertions and Obama yesterday accused Republicans of holding middle-class cuts "hostage" in exchange for cuts for the rich.

Kerry, whose income puts him squarely in that category, said "under no circumstances do I believe we should give a blanket extension to the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans."


I must say, I would've been very surprised (and quite disapointed) if he had gone with the Blue Dogs on this! :)
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 08:43 AM
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4. And from TODAY's Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/09/14/in_senate_gop_digs_in_against_ending_tax_cut_for_wealthy/?page=2

The Republican position drew a rebuke from one of the wealthier senators, Bay State Democrat John F. Kerry, who said in a statement: “It’s just plain wrong that there’s lockstep obstruction proposing to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage.’’

In an informal Globe poll yesterday of the Massachusetts contingent in Washington, Kerry and all members of the all-Democratic House delegation were behind the president’s plan to allow tax cuts on the wealthy to expire.


I would say it is unequivocal what Kerry's position is, and that CQ has made a BIG error, refuses to post our comments, and refuses to correct their story. Geez.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 09:38 AM
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7. Here is his statement. There is nothing equivocal in this.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/09/14/where_do_your_representatives_stand_on_the_tax_cuts/

"It's just plain wrong that there's lockstep obstruction proposing to hold middle class tax cuts hostage. I voted against the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in 2001, proposed rolling them back in 2004, and oppose extending

them today. I am focused on one thing and that is urging my colleagues to extend the middle class tax cuts rather than piling on to the deficit for a blanket extension for the wealthy that doesn't create jobs."
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 12:52 PM
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12. Nice = that's about as strong a statement as can put out
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:44 PM
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13. Great statement and much needed since the RW are trying to claim he has
changed his mind and come over to their side.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:12 PM
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16. Yep doesn't get much stronger than that! :)
I was sure that article had to be wrong; would've contradicted everything else he'd previously said! Though I've been running across several RW sites (or at least they may as well be, with their bias) using this as a basis on which to say he has "flip flopped" on this. Ugh, that term...that meme is so tired (and unfounded)!.

But I guess those types will go on believing what they want to believe about JK (lies), because hey, they have all along. But at least those who care to actually be informed will now know the truth. :)

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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 02:47 PM
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14. I wrote a comment yesterday
and put the Boston.com link in it, no wonder they didn't post it. What is even worse is that they refuse to make a correction, this is one site I will never ever trust for news.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 03:52 PM
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15. Well that make three of us - all from different states all citing a less
than a one week old direct quote in a reputable paper. That really suggests the "mistake" was completely intentional. What I don't get is that this type of thing should damage the reputation of both the publication and the reporter. You would think they would care.
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-14-10 04:14 PM
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17. maybe there's something wrong with the comments feature?
Last time I checked, there were no comments posted at all. Maybe you should write to the editor and/or author directly, with your comment, and note that it hasn't been posted. . ?
It would be nice to get all your fact-based comments out there in the cyberspace ether. .
God, I'm sick of these liars. I honestly don't know how JK can stand this nonsense, year after year. .
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