PBS interview of John Kerry, largely about Afghanistan and Sudan

[Mass]

(video at the link)

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec10/johnkerry_11-15.html

Transcript
GWEN IFILL: Next: the international priorities for Congress, from Afghanistan to arms control. For that, we turn to Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, and to Margaret Warner.

MARGARET WARNER: Senator Kerry, welcome. Thanks for joining us.
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-Mass.): My pleasure.

MARGARET WARNER: I wanted to ask you first about Afghanistan. What did you make of the comments that President Karzai made this weekend to The Washington Post, and General Petraeus's response?

SEN. JOHN KERRY: Well, I completely understand General Petraeus's response, because what he is engaged in is essential to the strategy that's being deployed right now.

But I also understand President Karzai's frustration. He has a lot of pressures, particularly pressures that come from fellow Pashtuns. And I think that he's reflecting that. I don't think it should be blown out of proportion.

I'm absolutely confident that we can proceed forward and go to Lisbon and come out of Lisbon with a strong policy definition as we go forward in these next critical months.

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MARGARET WARNER: Now, as you mentioned, President Obama is going to the NATO summit in Lisbon later this week. They're going to roll out this plan in which NATO will commit to keeping some combat forces there all the way through 2014.

One, do you think that's the right approach, the right timetable?

SEN. JOHN KERRY: Well, I think it depends entirely on the structure that is created with respect to counterterrorism efforts as we go forward.

The key here is the training and turnover of responsibility to the Afghan forces that are growing right now every day in their abilities, and, secondly, increased capacity for governance.

I think that Lisbon will be a good chance to evaluate that. In December, we will get a second chance to evaluate that. And I think the president's schedule is frankly, you know, sort of on target and we're moving in the right direction.

MARGARET WARNER: And do you think that the American Congress, the U.S. Congress, and public are ready to accept that long an engagement?

SEN. JOHN KERRY: Well, it's a diminishing engagement

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MARGARET WARNER: OK, new topic: START.

The president told Russian leader Medvedev late last week that that was a top priority, getting this new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty to the Senate for him in the lame-duck. Are you going to get it?

SEN. JOHN KERRY: We don't know yet, obviously.

We're in discussions right now with Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona. He's a key player on this, obviously. Vice President Biden and I chatted earlier today. And the hope is that the offer that the administration has put on the table with respect to modernization is sufficient. It's better than anything that ever existed under the Bush administration.

The director of the laboratories believes that it's a very significant advance. And our hope is that the administration has acted in good faith all along, sufficiently, that the Republicans will say: You know what? This is one for the country. This is a matter of national security. It advances the security of our nation. It strengthens our relationship with Russia. It puts inspectors on the ground in Russia, which we haven't had since last December. And it makes America stronger.

And that's what the treaty does. And we hope that there will be no partisanship, no ideology, but people will vote on the merits, as they did when the Senate voted 95-0 to ratify the Moscow treaty that had absolutely no verification whatsoever.

MARGARET WARNER: Finally, Sudan.

You spent quite a bit of time in Sudan in advance of this January 9 referendum, in which the south is expected to vote to secede from the north. Is the north ready to let that go through peacefully and accept the result?

SEN. JOHN KERRY: Well, the north has said again and again in the conversations that I had in both visits, but in the most recent visit, both north and south have agreed that they want this referendum to take place in January, they want this referendum to be peaceful, and that, no matter what the outcome of the referendum, they have agreed in principle at this point that they will not go back to war.

That's an enormous step forward, if it actually gets ratified in a public statement somewhere in the next few weeks. Our hope is, obviously, that the critical issue of Abyei, which is this 60-by-60-mile area south of Khartoum, that that area, which is really a huge area of contention between the nine tribes, the Ngok Dinka and the Misseriya, which are an Arab tribe that have been mostly under the control of the north, that, if we can resolve that issue of Abyei, I think the chances are very, very good that we could go forward in a quiet, peaceful way and really change the relationship with Sudan.

They say they're committed to doing that. The next days will be test of that.
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SEN. JOHN KERRY: Thank you.

[karynnj]

1. What a serious interview

Kerry did a very good job on each of the issues - especially START and Sudan.

On START, he did a nice job of arguing that this has to be a non-partisan effort. I liked his little comment at the en tht there was "no verification" in the Bush era treaty of Moscow. I suspect that the modernization package that Obama had to agree to as a bargaining chip will be an issue will be unpopular in the left blogosphere.

On Afghanistan, his comments on Karzai show a sensibility that was lacking in Petraeus' comments. The media is taking the 2014 comments of others as a shift to a longer commitment than before - even though it really is not inconsistent with Obama's plan last year. What I don't like is what was not said - there was suppose to be a major review of the strategy now (at the end of the year). Given that Obama is soon going to the NATO meeting, it is obvious that that won't happen. It would make no sense to go to Lisbon and work with others on commitments and then returned home to re-evaluate what to do. This policy review is needed - as it is not a given the policy is working.

It seemed Kerry was emphasizing that we will start significantly winding down our forces next summer. It is true that last year he and everyone else spoke of a longer term commitment of providing some protection, but Kerry really has to be careful not to let his loyalty get in the way of being a strong voice independently providing oversight. I have worried that the Obama administration might have at various times co-opted Kerry through his real loyalty and by asking his advice (that was not followed) and making him a primary contact person with Karzai.

On Sudan, Kerry's comments really put in perspective what they are trying to do.

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2. Mass, I just sent you a PM n/t