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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 08:43 AM
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How the Democratic Party differs from the Republican Party (liberal vs. conservative)
Hope you guys don't mind if I park this here just to have handy.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/12/obamas-right-flank-ctd.html

The Daily Kos crowd claim to be in a "reality based community", well here is the reality:

The Democratic Party ideological spectrum in 2010:

40% Liberal
39% Moderate
19% Conservative

The Republican Party ideological spectrum in 2010:

72% Conservative
23% Moderate
4% Liberal


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 11:12 AM
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1. This is an important reality check
It is so easy when I spend too much time on DU, to forget that it is mostly the leftmost part of the liberal category. Sometimes, it is likely not good for a politician to be the "toast" of DU.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 01:21 PM
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2. Thanks. As an aside, this post would not open when I first made it.
But now it works. Strange.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 01:27 PM
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3. These labels are "self-described". They dont tell us at all what this people want.
Edited on Tue Dec-21-10 01:28 PM by Mass
They describe how people see themselves. It represents how the label is view. Obviously, it is a lot disapproved for a Republican to call himself liberal than for a Democrat to call himself conservative. This does not come as a surprise.

It would be a lot more meaningful if the poll was actually asking about policy positions.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 07:12 PM
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4. I knew you would say that, Mass. The problem is policy positions
get labeled by the media, and people who are very busy just accept that shorthand. Obviously, there are issues that come along once in a while like DADT where people get beyond labels and decide for themselves. But with complex economic policy, I'm afraid conservatives have the advantage.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 11:38 AM
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5. Hidden things to consider in the census data
The census data that came out yesterday was roundly promoted in the news media as something good for the GOP. However, this is a surface read only. Reading between the lines, the data suggests long-term improvements for the Dems.

From the http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/12/the-real-census-story-a-hispanic-voter-boom/68380/">Atlantic Monthly online story:

Between 1990 and 2000, the Hispanic population grew by over 57 percent, from 22.4 million to 35.3 million, according to the Census Bureau. In 2010, the population is expected to grow by another 41 percent, to 49.7 million, making up just over 16 percent of the country as a whole (based on Census projections from 2008).

In some ways, this shift has yet to manifest itself politically. Arizona and Texas are still bright red. But in others, it's evident: President Obama won Nevada and New Mexico in 2008 thanks, in part, to Hispanic votes. And in the 2010 midterms, Democrats banked Hispanic votes in Nevada and California on their paths to victory in two Senate elections and one gubernatorial race.

On the whole, Hispanics vote heavily Democratic--an October Pew study found 47 percent see Democrats as more concerned about their views, while just six percent prefer the GOP--but there's some debate as to why. Hispanic voters, advocates will tell you, care about education, jobs, and health care. Pundits often assume that Hispanic votes come down to immigration policy, but immigration politicking probably has more to do with it.

"Border security is completely on the table with the majority of Latino voters, and Latino voters in general--punishing illegal alien smugglers and criminals, and if you go after people who are here who are felons or gang members or something like that--the problem is with the rhetoric, when you start lumping people in with them," Mario Lopez, the conservative president of the Hispanic Leadership Fund, told me the day after the 2010 midterms.

Latinos voted 67 percent for Obama nationally in 2008, according to CNN exit polls. That reliably Democratic base is predicted to grow from 12.5 percent of the national population in 2000 to 19.4 percent by 2020.

Ironically, this will hurt Democrats in the short term. As the Hispanic population balloons Texas's Electoral College votes to four, Democrats still have not reached an electoral majority in that state. On Election Night, it's winner-take-all, and new Hispanic voters will inflate the weight given to Texas's Republican majority in the 2012 presidential race. Then again, the Hispanics will likely supply Obama with Electoral College votes from Nevada and New Mexico.


What is policy going to be in the forseeable future and how will changing population trends change the policies of the two major parties. Longterm, the GOP denial of the DREAM Act, and the rhetoric they used in denying the DREAM Act, will come back and bite them in the butt.

We are in for an interesting decade. I predict some interesting underhanded moves from the GOP on the voting structure. Also, the Tea Party philosophy is diametrically opposed to where population trends are going. This should get very interesting, very fast.

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