Now this REALLY makes me furious! Who is this alleged reporter?

[saracat]

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[elshiva]

4. Blessings And Peace!

[Mass]

7. Furious does not mean unable to think

Some people on GDP seem about to repeat every rumor they hear without thinking about what they believe.

according to a poster in one of these threads, this reporter suggests that "THK refused to hacking the machine which is by Triad another republican firm". How plausible do you think it is she was asked to do that? This does not make any sense.

peace.

[saracat]

8. You are obviously not a Kerry supporter! I suggest you read

Skinners post regarding candidate groups!! Here is a snippet-

"The purpose of the new DU Groups is to provide like-minded people with places where they can discuss issues free from disruption from those who disagree. The theory was that if we provided members with "safe zones" where you were not being forced to constantly defend yourselves, you might not feel quite so victimized by DU, and you might not feel the need to be constantly fighting with other people."

You are obviously not a like minded person. Perhaps your favorite has a forum you might like to investigate .

[MH1]

2. I thought it was very strange.

Here are some earlier posts, and the comments I wrote (for here) but then chose not to post at the time (I thought it was too bizarre, so perhaps best left ignored).

Anybody listening to BradBlog?

and

I'm doing a copy and paste from Conyer's blog. Did anybody hear this?

Is this par for the course in the GD section of DU, or is there something new here?

It is discussion of Kerry allegedly knowing about rampant election fraud and some of his own lawyers being double agents, so to speak. Ugh. Is BradBlog just whacked?

[sandnsea]

3. Unity

Must.Have.Unity.

Er, uh, except when we Must.Bash.Kerry. :eyes:

[Mass]

6. Too hard to resist for some of them

I have decided to ignore them once and for all.

[XanaDUer]

12. !

:rofl:

[Mass]

5. The OP is right that the reporter is not bashing Kerry on that

This was already the subject of two threads yesterday that confirms that. The reporter (whoever it is) reported an alledged comment on Kerry saying that the machines were rigged (being able to prove that is another question) and some weird rumors that all came to exonerate Kerry.

My first reaction was the same as you, but this is still the same small circle being restless.

On edit: i am not that sure of that. Some people suggested the reasonnable answer: that Kerry suspected that the vote was rigged, but did not have the prove.

[MH1]

9. There was a calculation, I'm sure.

What people in general tend to not realize, is how little they know about this kind of stuff. Kerry could have "known" there was fraud - in fact it is a foregone conclusion in any election this size, that there will be attempts at fraud, and some will be successfull - but if he saw clearly and unequivocably that there was absolutely no possibility of prevailing, why go down in flames and destroy any ability he might otherwise have to get some good things done - including perhaps possibly working behind the scenes to improve the situation for the next time, or even bring down people who were involved in this.

But what it comes down to is trust. I trust JK. I trust him to have looked at the situation and made a cool, rational decision. I also trust that he is human and can make mistakes too, and frankly I don't have enough info to be sure he didn't make one here. I do know that Bill Richardson took actions in NM that were portrayed in the media as blocking a recount of that state. Who knows whose idea that was, and why. Is JK taking heat for decisions that were made at a level even beyond him? Possibly a back-room consensus to avoid hobbling the party with a "sore loserman" mantra?

Who knows. The point is we don't, and apparently JK can't reveal any more, or figures it wouldn't help anyway. For you and me and the other JK fans, this is no problem, because we long since decided to trust him. I do feel for folks who are not insulated by that layer of trust, but they really need to get over it. There's alot more that happens behind the scenes that they will never know about - and their own heroes are in on it too - and the sooner they realize it, the sooner they will get a better grip on their lives generally.

[whometense]

10. I love what you wrote here

and agree with it 100%.

The actions Bill Richardson took to frustrate the NM recount have, to my knowledge, never been explained. I would dearly love to hear an explanation of his actions. He's been on my "do not trust" list for quite a while for being one of the dem talking heads who manage only a barely tepid defense of Kerry during the campaign. Even while arguing the dem viewpoint he always seemed to be to be occupying some squishy midpoint.

On the trust issue, I have complete faith in Kerry that he will always put the needs of his country and his constituents above his personal needs (and party as well). I expect he will make mistakes, being human and all. That's ok. I don't understand how so many people think they know better than him (and others as well), and second guess every statement and action.

While I'm griping, let me get one more off my chest, and then I'll shut up. I hate it when these jerks say Kerry should resign, or get out of the way, or some other similar crap. Unless they live in Massachusetts they have no right to suggest such a thing.. That drives me crazy. How many of them have senators with perfect records??

[MH1]

14. Playing devil's advocate.

Think how you feel about Bill Richardson; that sense of mistrust. Most people don't know Kerry like you do and are more likely to have the kind of reaction that you have to Richardson. They are uneasy about what they've heard and they want an explanation. For whatever reason, JK can't or won't give it to them. And this election was SO important. And we were burned in 2000, so we should have been ready. And so on, I won't list all the cries here. But I think that is why the reaction is so visceral.

None of that changes my own view, but I can see how it can be hurtful to someone to not have an explanation. I wish there could be one. I can speculate plenty of reasons why it just isn't possible right now, but it's still probably the toughest test of my own faith in JK. I don't give up on somebody just because they don't give me everything I want, though. And I see plenty of other reasons to believe, so I do.

As for resigning or "going away", that's so totally nuts. The guy earned the spotlight of being the presidential nominee of the party. Of course he's not going to tip his hand about 2008, either. Especially if he's not going to run, the longer he leaves it open, the longer he keeps the media paying attention to him and his initiatives. Which is presumably good for his constituents. So he almost has an obligation to play it that way, and make the most of it for meeting his objectives. And the people who don't like it can just go pound sand.

[ginnyinWI]

11. your first sentence says it all

I've thought this time and time again: we just don't know the half of anything that is going on behind the scenes, both in election politics and the workings in the Senate and House. And you are so right--we have to trust that JK does know a lot more about it than we do. And I do trust him and don't want to second-guess someone I trust. I'm sure he wants what's best for the country, and knows well what is at stake. If there had been any way to win, he'd have done it.

[TayTay]

13. Larissa told us this back in Jan, I think

She had that post on DKos that defended Kerry and talked about his being blindsided in Ohio by lawyers that weren't his. Larissa was adamant about defending Kerry and telling people to trust him. She took a great deal of flack for that on DKos and wound up deleting the diary.

The current Coingate in Ohio shows that funny stuff was indeed going on over there. The Coingate scandal might just, eventually, shed some light on what the arrogant Rethugs were doing. (Some Rethug bastards are being threatened with legal violations for some big time stuff and they are talking in order to save their own asses. Sigh! Exactly how most scandals are broken.)

The LATimes had an article on Coingate today. It mentions that a lot of CapHill Rethugs are getting nervous about this. But the Dems need more Rethugs to start talking in order to break this open. Stay tuned.