Did anybody hear what Rummy said today

[TayTay]

(He's been drinking sterno again, I swear.) Rumsfeld was on the news today and admitted that the US might be in Iraq for 10-12 more years.

10-12 more friggin years of hell! What in Gawd's name are these people smoking? There is no way the American people will stand for 10-12 years of our people coming home in body bags for no friggin reason. These people are baked.

Also, it was reported that the tough-guy Boosh Administration has been secretly holding talks with leaders of the insurgents about how to bring peace. The Admin that said it would never negotiate with terrorists. (Except when they are tanking in the polls.) These people are beneath contempt.

[Island Blue]

1. Did Rummy mean our troops will be in Iraq

for 10 - 12 more years or that US companies milking all of the oil out of the Iraqi sand will be there for that long? If he meant troops, I think that would be just long enough to wipe out the entire Iraqi population at the rate things are going now. These people are crazy fo' sho'.

As far as holding secret talks with terrorists goes, does that mean that we are discussing this with the Saudis? A friend of mine who just returned to the US last year after living for many years in Saudi Arabia (her husband worked there), says that's where most of the "insurgents" are coming from. I think this whole debacle from 9/11 to now is a plan cooked up by Shrub and the Neo-Cons and the Saudi Arabian monarchy. (My tin foil hat is so tight I don't even need a strap!)

[pinkflower21]

2. Not defending Rummy

as lord knows I never would defend him, but I was watching the hearings and I think what he was referring to there is how long the insurgency could last, not how long American forces will be there. He said that even after we leave Iraq the insurgency will most likely still be going on for 5, 7, or 12 years but it will be up to the Iraqi security forces to handle them and that we will only leave when they are prepared to do that. Of course, that is still an unacceptable answer to me. I mean, the planning of this war has been bad from the get go. So many things wrong. If John had been elected, you know we would have been on a much better path by now. And it looks like the American people are having buyer's remorse judging from the latest polls. I had a feeling this would happen, I always knew if Bush got reelected that 6 months after the election that the polls would be reflecting this. I only wish that the American people could go to the polls again right now, they would choose JK for sure now.

[ginnyinWI]

3. I'm up late watching my Tivo'd shows

I saw the Rum on Stephanopolis, who looked like he was having a hard time not either laughing or jumping to slap down Rum's ridiculous statements.

Rummy did a reprise of the old, "the fact that it's bad means we're winning" spin. Come on now, you can do better than that! Someone at the Roundtable said that we have about enough troops to last until the end of '06, no more. The Army's falling to pieces; no way we can last for 10-12 years there.

They all also continue to blame the messengers rather than the facts. "The people don't support the war because they watch the bad news on TV all the time!!" Well, duh.

[beachmom]

4. Remarks on front page of paper

I read Rummy's remarks today. Yep, he said 12 year war and it will be up to Iraq forces to fight it. Did anybody notice the usual "we're not responsible for this" aspect to these comments? He's saying this isn't OUR war, it's THEIR war, which they will have to fight for over a decade. Excuse me, you STARTED this war, dipshit, so how did it end up becoming the "Iraqis' war". And exactly when, under what circumstances, can our troops come home?

A friend of mine's brother is there now, working his ass off to help the Iraqis rebuild. Individual troops ARE doing good works, but when the policy at the top is so clueless and misguided, I fear all of their good deeds are for nothing.

[Island Blue]

5. "The fact that it's bad means we're winning"

Yeah right. And the fact that the numbers on my scale keep going up means I'm losing weight! These people are insane and apparently believe that we are all stupid.