I made this chart about the leadership and etc of congress

[JohnKleeb]

Sorry if it looks bad, if you have any questions, just ask me.
Name Position DLC, Blue Dog or neither
Harry Reid Senate Minority Leader NOT
Dick Durbin Senate Minority Whip NOT
Debbie Stabenow Democratic Conference Secretary DLC
Byron Dorgan Democratic Policy Chair DLC
Harry Reid Democratic Conference Chairman NOT
Charles Schumer DSCC Chair NOT
Tom Harkin Agriculture Committee RMM Senate NOT
Robert Byrd Appropirations Committee RMM Senate NOT
Carl Levin Armed Forces Committee RMM Senate NOT
Paul Sarbines Banking Committee RMM Senate NOT
Kent Conrad Budget Committee RMM Senate DLC
Daniel Inoyve Commerce Committtee RMM Senate NOT
Jeff Bingaman Energy Committtee RMM Senate NOT
Jim Jeffords Environment Committee RMM Senate NOT
Max Baucus Finance Committee RMM Senate DLC
Joe Biden Foreign Relations Committee RMM Senate NOT
Ted Kennedy Health. Labor, Education Committee RMM Senate NOT
Joe Lieberman Homeland Security Committee RMM Senate DLC
Pat Leahy Judicary Committee RMM Senate NOT
Chris Dodd Rules Committee RMM Senate NOT
John Kerry Small Business Committee RMM Senate DLC
Daniel Akaka Veterans Affairs Committee RMM Senate NOT
Nancy Pelosi Minority Leader House NOT
Steny Hoyer Minority Whip House NOT
Bob Menendez Democratic Caucus Chairman NOT
Collin Peterson Agriculte Committee RMM House Blue Dog but not DLC
David Obey Appropirations Committee RMM House NOT
Ike Skelton Armed Forces Committee RMM House NOT
John Spratt Budget Committee RMM House NOT
George Miller Education and the Workforce Committee RMM House NOT
John Dingell Energy and Commerce Committee RMM House NOT
Barney Frank Financial Service Committee RMM House NOT
Henry Waxman Government Reform Committee RMM House NOT
Bennie Thompson Homeland Security Committee RMM House NOT
Juanita Millender-McDonald House Administration Committee RMM House DLC
Tom Lantos International Relations Committee RMM House NOT
John Conyers Judicary Committee RMM House NOT
Nick Rahall Resources Committee RMM House NOT
Louise Slaughter Rules Committee RMM House NOT
Bart Gordon Science Committee RMM House NOT
Nydia Velasquez Small Business Committee RMM House NOT
Alan Mollohan Standards and Official Conduct Committee RMM House NOT
James Oberstar Transportation and Infrastructure Committee RMM House NOT
Lane Evans Veterans Affairs Committee RMM House NOT
Charley Rangel Ways and Means Committee RMM House NOT
Jack Reed Joint Economic Committee RMM NOT
Juanita Millender-McDonald Joint Committee On Printing RMM DLC
Charley Rangel Joint Committee On Taxation RMM NOT
Jane Harman Select Committee on Inteligence RMM BOTH
Bill Clinton Former Democratic President DLC
I am sorry it doesnt look good but this research was easy to do.

[elshiva]

1. Great Chart! Thanks!

Did you post this in GD?

[JohnKleeb]

3. Of course not

I dont go there no more, i dont even post much period anymore since I feel isolated for reasons I wont get in to at the moment.

[elshiva]

4. Sorry, but I DO understand. They were rough on me too.

:hug: We love you here.

[JohnKleeb]

6. Not really rough on me but you know

I just dont fit in, I guess.

[Mass]

2. Which goes to show there is little correlation between liberal and non DLC

Great job, BTW.

[JohnKleeb]

5. Thank You

It didnt take me all that long. Yeah I think there are more very liberal democrats RMMing those committees than DLCers. Its interesting to know also that some of the better democrats are high ups, like Durbin is of course the Minority Whip and Dorgan is the policy chair. Pelosi is one of our most liberal reps, whether people believe it or not, and the choice in 2002 was her or Martin Frost, and while Frost wasnt a bad guy, I would prefer Pelosi.

[elshiva]

7. Pelosi is lovely.

[JohnKleeb]

8. Whats funny is that you may hear her refered to as

"Bush accomdating", "DLC", "Caves in" but Pelosi is one of the most liberal people in congress, and besides while there are many great liberal congresspeople out there, that alone doesnt qualify them to be leader which is sad to say.

[elshiva]

9. She is actually a good liberal leader.

[JohnKleeb]

10. She is, thast what I am getting at

I am also getting at people who suggest people like Conyers, McKinney, or whoever as our party leader in Congress while maybe good intentioned dont understand politics. The person themselves not their viewpoints determines whether they would make a good party leader or not. Which could explain why some of our past speakers like Tom Foley, Jim Wright, Tip O'Neil(I do believe he was a liberal though), and Sam Rayburn werent members of the partys liberal wing per say but leaders. Thats not to say of course there cant be really liberals in congress, that alone I am saying doesnt qualify them. Pelosi had been one of Gephardt's whips before she got the job.

[elshiva]

11. Yes. I love Conyers, McKinney, Kuicinich, etc. but they are not

the only Real Democrats...

[sandnsea]

12. Labor, Liberals, or a new way

I was reading an article earlier about labor in the 60's and how they had started abandoning the party over Vietnam. Toss in some of the seedier aspects of labor that was more common back then. Then there has always been the socialist/communist subgroup, plus the hippie war protester added in the 60's.

Is it any wonder some people thought the Democratic Party needed a new direction?

[JohnKleeb]

13. Yeah

We lose counties that fourty years ago, we won in big numbers, its a shame, a classic example of this is Malcomb (sp?) County I believe in the Detroit area, its your classic ethnic working class suburb, in 1960, it strongly supported Jack Kennedy but its only been downhill since, now to be fair, the party's leftward swing on social issues was a part of why but its still a shame. Politics certainly is odd, I believe we've been doing better now in some parts of the country than FDR did. I really think the best way to beat republicans is with economic issues.