One of life's great mysteries

[WildEyedLiberal]

Why are there as many/more threads at Democratic Underground attacking Democrats than attacking Repubs? Somehow I doubt FR spends all its time hating John McCain as opposed to the various evil libruls of the week.

I hate how so many imbeciles on DU make Rush's brain dead liberal stereotypes come true, just by the magic of their out of touch idiocy.

[JI7]

1. that's what i really have a problem with

you have to wonder about the true agenda of these types. especially when we are dealing with things like the supreme court justice nominees.

and of course the victim mentality thing. the whole thing about "they let us down". why the fuck do you keep looking to them then. why aren't their asses out there working with another party. why do they do nothing other than complain about how the Dems have abandoned them.

[JI7]

2. another thing

many of these posters are the same ones who have been complaining months and years ago from what i remember.

rather than work on true progressive or liberal issues their entire agenda seems to be to complain about the dems .

if you are a true progressive upset with the dem party then why isn't your ass out there working on the progressive issues rather than complaining about a party.

i can't stand the republican party but as a liberal dem i don't sit around comoplaining about them.

[sandnsea]

6. They want to take over

"the need for PDA activists to take over the Democratic Party"

http://pdamerica.org/articles/events/Pitt-CA-2005-06-05.php

These are PDA's Sept & Oct 2004 newsletter, they were primarily involved in building their movement and fundraising for themselves, not the election. They really thought we could win just by tearing Bush down, so it's no wonder they think that's how to "take over" the Democratic Party.

http://pdamerica.org/newsletter/2004-08-27/

[ginnyinWI]

8. hmmm

Another interesting aspect of this. It's also very infantile; if you don't like something, scream and kick your heels on the ground until people do what you want!

So the obvious question to put to them is: "well just exactly what would you do about it?"

example: "if you were the Dem candidate, how would you manage a hostile media who only gave you a 20-second sound bite, and then trashed you for the next 20 minutes?"

[sandnsea]

9. Good point

Hone in on the specifics of each problem. I tend to be broadbased, or just plain bitchy, lol. But yeah, that's a good way to go. They either come up with good solutions and think about implementing things themselves, or realize everything isn't as easy as stomping your foot and making things change.

Then again, for the last two years there was always the sense that all we had to do was hang on and get a new president. With the Gore and Nader vote, it really was hard to fathom how we couldn't win. So I think alot of people didn't think about strategic issues and are just beginning to realize it's going to take massive on the ground work to get anything accomplished. People who poopooed letters are now writing them, others are beginning to post flyers, placing ads in local papers. That's what we're going to have to do to get around the media. We should have been doing more of it last year I would imagine.

[ginnyinWI]

11. Dems have a built-in bias

And that is they believe that all they have to do is present the facts, and people will get on board. Because we respect reality-based facts. It's hard to put ourselves in the place of people who use other means.

This was very obvious to me watching the VP debate. Edwards would present fact after fact, and Cheney was on this totally other page, focusing on smearing the characters of Edwards, Kerry and the Dem party in general. Two completely different approaches. I'm not saying it would have worked for Edwards to smear Cheney right back, because maybe that isn't what Dems respond to. But then I think of DU and wonder! We'd like to assume this type isn't typical.

[sandnsea]

3. Here's my idea, #2898

We've got an anti-pork post, pork being protecting heritage forests, expanding a museum, and health research. We've got an anti-Patriot Act post, all of it, which is actually very right wing. We've got people who are completely against any kind of trade. People supporting personal property rights above all else. Against all international involvements. I could probably add some more. I hate to tell these people, but these are far right ideologies. Maybe an, "Are You Really A Republican And Didn't Know It?" thread is in order. Ha, kidding. But jeezo, I don't think these people know what a Democrat is, to tell the truth.

[ginnyinWI]

5. Maybe you should start a thread that is a tutorial

Tell them just what Democrats are supposed to believe in. See what happens. ;)

People who are just reactionary against "them" without knowing why should really be doing a little homework.

"Aw but Mom, I don't want to--I just want to sit here in my jammies eating Fruit Loops and writing inflammatory posts on DU against any and all!!"

[ginnyinWI]

4. anger is such a unifying emotion

People love to band together and be against something. It's just human psychology--feels very empowering. I DO wish they would spend their energy being angry at our criminal government officials and their lackeys!

Then there is a kind of competition among them to see who can be the most critical and cynical. Gotta pity some of them if they are truly that hopeless and mistrustful. Or maybe it's more performance than anything. It's extremely easy to do on the net.

I don't know any easy way to stop them, but we can neutralize some of it by posting votes of confidence for whomever it is they are flaming. If it's JK they are targeting, I'm there automatically-- but we should probably try to do it for other Dems too--shift the focus to the real bad guys on the Right.

[sandnsea]

7. On that note

This just came out of the House Whip's office, "Republican Record of Failure". I agree with you, we should try to push what Dems are trying to accomplish more.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1301

[Island Blue]

10. I don't jump into the frey with these "angry at the world" folks

to often, but when I do, after I've said my piece I try to remind them that WHOEVER the next president is (Democrat or Republican) he or she is going to have to truly be a grown-up willing to make difficult (and maybe unpopular) decisions because of the incredible mess we will have been left with after 8 years of Shrub.

I honestly don't know that anything anyone says to them really makes a difference. The ones who scream really loudly seem kind of like the Freepers who only hear what they want to hear, and enjoy confrontation solely for the sake of confrontation.