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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:13 PM
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I am ***SO*** po'd
Watching CNN really is bad for my blood pressure.

Was anyone else just watching??

CNN just did a story (right before 7pm on Saturday) about Bush's bathroom permission slip. But in order to tell a story that reflects so badly on the jerk, they pulled out an SNL clip from last fall after the first presidential debate - and tried to equate Kerry's notetaking during the debate (which he probably did only to keep from laughing out loud at his opponent, anyway) with Bush's bathroom note.

I just wrote to Crooks and Liars. It would make a great case for CNN bias if they can get their hands on the clip.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:24 PM
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1. I saw it and wondered why Jeanne Moos even went there.
My blood pressure maintained, though. If that's all they have, Kerry as a copious note taker, I'm okay with it. Makes him seem even brighter than dimson.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:25 PM
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2. You have got to be kidding me?
They do realize don't they that Shrub's note was NOT A SNL skit? I'm sure if they were to look at Kerry's debate notes they would either have something to do with the topics being discussed (imagine that) or would have on them things like "dumb ass", "liar", "how the fuck did this idiot get to be President?", etc., etc., etc. That is a crazy way to justify our third grade president's need to ask permission to take a leak.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:33 PM
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3. That was pretty much my reaction.
They were clearly trying to take Kerry down to *'s level by equating the notes.

How insane is it to even think like that?? What's wrong with those people? Since the picture was such a big story I guess they felt they needed to comment on it. I don't see why they felt the need to drag Kerry into the story - and not real Kerry, either, but the SNL caricature Kerry.

I wonder who told them to do the story that way?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:39 PM
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5. Okay, that's it. I'm convinced.
Putting fluoride in the water really *was* an evil scheme to dumb down the populace and make us more malleable, huh? Looks like it worked...

;-)
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:42 PM
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7. The question is,
who has more disdain for the intelligence of the american people - the Bush administration or CNN?

Or is it a TIE?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:41 AM
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22. You have to include me too, I'm afraid.
After Nov 2, I have a fair amount of disdain for the intelligence of the American people too - at least the about 49.8% of voters who voted for * even though they aren't personal recipients of the largesse of his corruption. The other ~.2% I assume voted in line with their economic interests - they're getting paid. (the question was about intelligence, not morality).

It's an unhealthy attitude, I know. But I'm currently wallowing in bitterness over what these assholes and idiots have brought this country to. And I'm tired of giving people a pass because "they didn't know."

So, CNN is right to disdain the intelligence of the American people - that disdain has been proven warranted over and over again. The real question should be about the morality of how they use their power to manipulate people's ideas about the world. Their performance in that area, I am not impressed with at all.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:23 PM
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11. That's my question too
Who told them to do the story that way. This shit is not being created by any cable or network newsroom. Why do we not have ONE reporter with the balls to uncork this shit.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:38 PM
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4. ..I've run a quick analysis....
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 06:39 PM by Goldeneye
through my political analyzer.

The results are in:

1. There is no analysis available for such a moronic comparison.
2. Goerge Bush is still and idiot.
3.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:40 PM
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6. Hey!
Where can I find one of those?? It would save a lot of wear and tear on my poor little brain.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:32 PM
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12. Unfortunately, it's a one of a kind.
I don't remember where it came from...only that it's a one of a kind. You could try a magic 8 ball...but they only give a few answers, whereas my analzyer can come up with any answer. :P
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 10:11 PM
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15. That is really funny! Very clever. Email it to CNN! n/t
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:51 PM
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8. I have a question.
And this is serious, so don't laugh.
I didn't see the clip, but it sounds like it was not flattering and really, that there was no basis for any comparison between Sen Kerry's note taking and bush*'s hall pass request.
Here's the question. When the media does something that stupid, does someone from the Senator's staff call and ask WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?
I'm not suggesting the Senator do anything like that, and I'm not even sure it would be the right thing to do, but if it was really that blatant, shouldn't someone, other than his supporters, call them on it?
It would be a simple call. Maybe something like "Thank you for taking my call, but do you realize that the Senator has not asked for permission to pee since GRADE SCHOOL? WHY WOULD YOU EVEN THINK TO EQUATE A SNL SKIT OF HIM TAKING NOTES AT A DEBATE WITH THE DOOFUS'S POTTY-REQUEST?"

It would get progressively loud from there, BTW.

This is probably why I would never work for a politician. I don't think I'd last very long.

Just askin'.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:16 PM
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9. I wouldn't last either.
I'm pretty sure this doesn't rise to the level that Kerry's staff would feel necessary to respond to. I think this would probably be something they wouldn't want to dignify with a response - stuff like that, as you said, can become a tempest in a teapot too easily. And Kerry's people wouldn't want to turn something that's 100% embarrassing to Bush into an argument about Kerry being overly sensitive.

I do think stuff like this is worth noting, though, by us. It's a gauge of the network's attitude - and servility towards W and Rove. It's something we can safely make a stink about.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:21 PM
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10. Karl Rove would
I don't know what Kerry's people do, they might release some snark, if it would make Bush look worse.

But here's MY question. When Karl Rove tells CNN to spin something a certain way, who tells all the newsmodels to do it? And why has NOBODY done an expose on whatever the fucking hell is going on with cablenews. Because you'd have to be dumber than fur or a Republican not to notice that CNN turned on a dime when the White House said "blame game". Can't we find a union janitor or plumber or messenger or somebody to bust this shit open???
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:41 PM
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13. I hear ya.
Are these people worried for their jobs? I swear, they can find better. I know, after 23 years, I would ditch mine in a NY minute to do the right thing.
Maybe the threat is more serious?
Sooner or later, something's gotta give.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 09:53 PM
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14. That is idiotic! What a mindless comparison
Kerry looked like a serious debater and a serious candidate for the office he was running for when he took those notes. It marked that he was paying attention to the matter before him and took it seriously enough to make relevent notes on what That Friggin Idiot was babbling about and make rebuttal points. It was an intelligent thing to do.

Asking you SecOfState if you can go wee-wee is not a seroius moment. It reflects nothing but the continuing lunacy of that moronic Prez and his moronic inability to attend to the matter at hand. There simply is not comparison.

The old Kerry press people who have gone ballistic at this. There have been, over the year, screaming matches between press and press people. Hey, witness the snark this April when the Globe published their parody of Kerry in April. The followup LTTE from KerryStaff was along the lines of, "We are not amused, you friggin bunch of back-stabbing bastards." (Only way better phrased.) Kerry can't respond to this, because it's too petty, but one more thing like this and he should. It's just low and stupid. And too much of this stuff and it becomes a smear.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:18 PM
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16. This is possibly GOOD for Kerry
Edited on Sat Sep-17-05 11:24 PM by karynnj
I agree with you that Kerry's actions at the debate were exactly what you are suppose to do at a debate. Virtually all people who watch a news channel such as CNN saw the debates. NO ONE questioned Kerry's demeanor or behavior at the time, nor was there anything to question. He was just doing an excellent job debating and any notes he wrote were for his own use - he didn't pass any to the moderator. Bush was the embarrassing one.

The CNN story does 2 things:
1) Brings up Kerry as an equal to Bush (at a moment where he totally outdid him) after months of almost ignoring Kerry. (Even with impeachment - no one bothered to compare Clinton and Dole 10 months after the election.) Anyone disillusioned with Bush, who voted for him could have second thoughts about his/her vote especially when reminded of the bebates. (Although most wouldn't admit it at the time, many likely made excuses that Bush was bad at debating, but he was keeping us safe. Well one part was true.)

2) People will notice that they had to use a SNL skit to suggest Kerry's writing was the least bit funny. I don't think this will be lost on anyone. If anything it might trigger a thouhjt that the media did not play fair with Kerry.

I would imagine the best thing to say to CNN is along the lines of "it's sad that even a SNL version of Kerry is more presidential and dignified than the President himself"


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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:24 PM
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17. I think one of the the reasons
this just jumped out at me (aside from its outrageousness) was that I'd just been reading about how the Texas secretary of state had fired that staff lawyer who made the mistake of answering a reporter's question, and who apparently didn't even know they were asking about Rove.

And then there was the story last week about the Louisiana senator - Vitter - who abstained from voting on the independent commission.

. . . .But no, the Senate on Wednesday rejected the independent panel idea, and did so on a strictly partisan basis.

Fifty-four Republican senators voted nay; the remaining Democrats and one independent voted yea. And speaking of guts and doing the right thing, David Vitter, the Louisiana Republican, simply did not vote.


What I want to know is, what's Rove saying to these people? What kind of threats is he issuing?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:32 PM
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18. Money and access
The Rethug holy words. If the Rethug Congress people don't tow the line, they will be cut off and Rove will make sure they get primary opposition. And he can make a lot of funding and financial backers go poof.

As Kerry said in 2001 when * was being inaugurated for the first time, "These people are all about the money." Nothing has changed.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:40 PM
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19. I know that's true.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 12:08 AM by whometense
But what you were saying in one of these threads about not all pols being cynical sellouts struck me. I think that's one of the main thimgs that sets us Kerrycrats apart from the Kerry-bashers in GD. We believe not all pols are cynical because we know and understand John, and can see the proof in front of our faces day after day. We know he is incorruptible. They fail/refuse to understand that basic fact about him, the one fact that should have all of DU yelling his praises instead of trying to undermine him. What's that quote about a prophet being without honor in his own country?????

Anyway, I digressed. I keep waiting - like Diogenes - for an honest republican. A republican that honors principle over all else. It astounds me as much as anything else that not one has stood up when it counts against Rove, and for what is right. I just can't believe how craven they are.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 11:49 PM
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20. Too true! And it's very sad for them.
There is always a day of reckoning. It is foolishness to believe that political trends are permanent, cuz they ar not. And when the fall for these greedy bastards comes, they won't have a McCloskey or Howard Baker to take some of the pressure off and save the remnants of the party. The implosion is going to be huge.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:13 AM
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21. I guess there must have been parallel periods
in history like this. But I'm not, sad to say, that great a history student, so I don't know for sure. I do remember back to those long-ago times when there was not anything like the dem/repug divide there is now. When there were republicans and democrats you respected and those of both parties that were just foul. It was the quality of the person you responded to, and not the party.

It still seems so strange to be able to label people by party. But where is Hagel? Lugar? Chafee? (well, he is a weakling)

On a lighter note, the Daily Show made mincemeat of Coburn's little orgy of crocodile tears the other night. Highly satisfying.

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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:23 AM
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23. Two more examples this morning.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 10:23 AM by whometense
Both via George Stephanopoulos.

Evidently Jay Leno did a bit this week in which he mocked Kerry's trip to New Orleans by recycling the "John Kerry wanted to help, but he can't connect with the average guy" canard, and then - I wish I was joking - showed the clip of him windsurfing.

Stephanopoulos (ha. ha. ha.) compounded the damage by showing the Leno clip on his show this morning.

I'm starting to agree with sandansea. If this is the new meme we need to jump on it right away. I read the message as "Hey, stop jumping all over George Bush. Remember how ridiculous his opponent was? Think he could have done any better?"

It's utterly Rovian, and it's just wrong, and we need to do what we can to mount a vocal opposition.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:30 AM
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24. Saw that too on Stephanopoulos
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 10:33 AM by karynnj
This really is beyound fair because the majority of people are unlikely to know that Kerry really did go and did it as part of his job and to actually bring help.

It does seem odd that Leno et al suddenly are bringing up Kerry. I take back what I wrote earlier and agree with you and sandansea.

- Although good for the Democrats, Bill Clinton being everywhere helps Hillary. So it's an attempt to inflate Clinton/diminish Kerry.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:39 AM
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25. I'm trying really hard not to be
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 10:40 AM by whometense
kneejerk defensive, but this is really unfair. I agree with you that it is a clear attempt to diminish Kerry. I wish I knew whether his staffers ever read this forum. Anyone have a direct link to them? Kerrygoddess? Sandansea? Just to be sure they are aware.

Edited to add that though I want the Kerry people to be aware, I don't know how much they can do about it. Not being a political strategist myself, I have no idea. But I'm very happy to blog about it.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:41 AM
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26. AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree. Time to fight back. Did they bother to mention that Sen Kerry was in Iraq when Katrina hit? When, exactly, did they say he was windsurfing, On Aug 29? This stuff pisses me off. Did anyone on the Snuffelupagus(sp) panel bother to mention that Mr Kerry has done a little bit more to help the people impacted by Katrina than just the NO trip (which was quite a bit more than most did)?

No, I didn't think so.

8/29-30?
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the thousands of families affected by Hurricane Katrina. Katrina's unprecedented devastation has cost those in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi their homes, their loved ones, even their lives. Our great nation must come together to comfort and bring relief to those in the Gulf Coast suffering from this blow. Local leaders and National Guard forces have bravely started the effort, but they need all of our help. Please visit the link below to learn how you can help our fellow Americans affected by Hurricane Katrina.
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/home.cfm

8/31
Dear XXXXXXXXX,
This is a time for all Americans to pull together and do everything we can to assist people whose lives have been devastated by Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath.
If you haven't acted already, I urge you to join in delivering immediate help to the people who need it most. One way to do that is to support the relief and recovery efforts of the Red Cross with a personal donation.

8/31

"Hurricane Katrina devastated significant portions of the Gulf Coast and disrupted millions of lives but she didn’t and couldn’t destroy the spirit of endurance, bravery, generosity and compassion we have been witnessing during the relief and rescue operations. Our thoughts and prayers go out to all the citizens of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama as they struggle with the aftermath of this devastating storm, and to their loved ones and families viewing the disturbing photos coming out of the region. Now is the time for all of us to come together to help the evacuees, refugees and survivors and rebuild the communities that have lost so much.
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2005_08_...

9/2
“Our thoughts and prayers go out to all the citizens of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama as they struggle with the aftermath of this devastating storm, and to their loved ones and families viewing the disturbing photos coming out of the region. I also would like to commend the brave men and women who are leading the rescue operations; from emergency service officers to health care professionals to the power and water crews working around the clock to save lives.
“Hurricane Katrina devastated significant portions of the Gulf Coast and disrupted millions of lives. The situation in New Orleans is heartbreaking.
www.johnkerry.com


9/2
JK has been in Iraq - He is on his way home
"Senator Kerry was in Iraq in January and wanted to go again to thank our troops for their service, talk with military commanders about the situation on the ground and meet with Iraqi government officials as they work to establish a democracy in Iraq."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


9/6

LOTT : John Kerry called my wife Tricia and me at our home -- I don't remember -- two or three days ago and said he and Teresa wanted to help. And I identified what we needed and he said, "Where can we land the plane?" And I told him. And I assigned a staff member to coordinate with him.
http://lott.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleas...

9/7
Dear XXXXXXXXX,
"More tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans are off the table." Those are the words that America is waiting to hear from President Bush. At a time of crisis and enormous need, it should be an easy decision for him to make. He could make the announcement tomorrow.

There is hurt and suffering all around us. Estimates are that it will cost as much as $150 billion to help the hard-hit people and communities of the Gulf Coast get back on their feet following Katrina's devastation. And the Bush administration's failed policies in Iraq are draining billions of dollars from our treasury every month.

But still, Republican leaders refuse to abandon their obsession with granting still more tax cuts to the wealthy and well-connected. Don't let them get away with it.

Sign our "Don't You Dare" petition right now.

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/taxcuts.php

9/8

Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., center, speaks as Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., left, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., second right, and Sen. Harry Reid,D-Nev., look on at a news conference at the Capitol, Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005, in Washington. Congress hurried toward approval Thursday of an emergency aid package that would spend well over $1 billion a day for recovery needs of victims of Hurricane Katrina. Democrats and Republicans agreed that much had gone wrong
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/pl/021103kerry&c...

9/8
And Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004, said in an interview: "It's a summary of all that this administration is not in touch with and has faked and ducked and bobbed over the past four years. What you see here is a harvest of four years of complete avoidance of real problem solving and real governance in favor of spin and ideology."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspec...

9/9
John Kerry Offers Major Package of Legislation to Help Small Businesses, Others Devastated by Hurricane Katrina
WASHINGTON - With estimates that more than 400,000 jobs will be lost as a result of Hurricane Katrina, Senator John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) today unveiled a package of emergency economic aid and federal assistance for small businesses and others reeling from the destruction in the Gulf Coast.
“It is clear that our government failed the people of the Gulf Coast. In time, those responsible will be held accountable for what has gone right and what has gone wrong. Right now, we need to make up for lost time and help any way we can, and that means targeting the fastest relief possible,” said Senator Kerry. “Every small business we can help will help a hard-working family start to put the pieces of their lives back together. We should help small businesses rebuild themselves and these communities.”

9/9
Senator Kerry's office just called me! Someone is listening!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

9/9
John Kerry Offers Major Package of Legislation to Help Small Businesses, Others Devastated by Hurricane Katrina
WASHINGTON - With estimates that more than 400,000 jobs will be lost as a result of Hurricane Katrina, Senator John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) today unveiled a package of emergency economic aid and federal assistance for small businesses and others reeling from the destruction in the Gulf Coast.
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=245483


9/10
Kerry set to deliver supplies
By Rick Klein, Globe Staff | September 10, 2005

WASHINGTON — Senator John F. Kerry has chartered a plane to deliver supplies to the New Orleans area tomorrow and is accepting donations in Boston to make deliveries in the coming weeks.

Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, has coordinated local and national corporate donations that will be part of tomorrow’s delivery to a supply distribution center in Baton Rouge, La.

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=493


(?)
Yesterday, I traveled to Louisiana to deliver emergency supplies to the victims of Hurricane Katrina. Thanks to generous contributions from many Massachusetts-based and national corporations, a 757-jet was sent full of food, water, children's shoes, toiletries and other emergency items for the people of the Gulf Coast. The jet -- donated by the UPS for the relief flight -- took off from Logan airport and arrived in Lafayette, Louisiana, where the goods were loaded up and distributed to centers in New Iberia (near Lafayette) and Baker (near Baton Rouge). The UPS said the payload of the plane was 48,000 pounds.

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/home.cfm

9/12
Senator John Kerry on Resignation of FEMA Director
BATON ROUGE - Below is a statement from Senator John Kerry on the resignation of FEMA Director Michael Brown.
“Long overdue. Too little, too late.”
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=245622

9/12
Hurricane Katrina raises concerns over transition to digital
By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 9/12/2005

A massive breakdown in communications after Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast—nearly four years after the devastating mishaps following 9/11—has brought the issue of emergency communications into the spotlight on Capitol Hill.
“I am closely following the communications failures in Katrina-hit areas,” says Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). “As Congress soon tackles the DTV transition, we must be mindful of these challenges and ensure public safety, emergency response and interoperability remain our paramount focus.”
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6255754.html...
Adding:
Communications in a Disaster
Full Committee Hearing
Thursday, September 22 2005 - 10:00 AM - Dirksen 562


9/13
“This Administration still hasn’t figured out the difference between spin and leadership. The President has done the obvious, only after it was clear he couldn’t get away with the inexcusable. President Bush has accepted Michael Brown’s resignation and admitted the buck stops in the Oval Office. But there are a lot of survivors who want to know whether this will change anything. Does the White House even understand the problem? The Administration had four years after September 11th to get this right, and they were caught unforgivably unprepared to deal with a major emergency here at home. Do they now understand that our government’s efforts and resources have been going to the wrong priorities? What are they doing to make sure this never happens again other than talking tough talk?”
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=245659


9/15
WASHINGTON - Today the Senate passed legislation proposed by Senator John Kerry (D - Mass.) that will provide financial support to National Guard and Reservists through immediate tax relief to their employers affected by Hurricane Katrina.

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=245857

9/15
"Leadership isn't a speech or a toll-free number. Leadership is getting the job done. No American doubts that New Orleans will rise again, they doubt the competence and commitment of this Administration. Weeks after Katrina, Americans want an end to politics-as-usual that leaves them dangerously and unforgivably unprepared. Americans want to know that their government will be there when it counts with leadership that keeps them safe, not speeches in the aftermath to explain away the inexcusable."
http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=245870




:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 10:52 AM
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27. What I don't get
(and maybe you can tell from my avatar) is why someone "can't connect with the average guy" because they windsurf??

It's just a sport. Like skiing. Or mountain-biking. Or horseback-riding. Or golf, the politician's required pastime fer chrissakes. How many po' folk do you know that get to do any of these sports regularly? Okay, maybe mountain-biking, sort of, on a beat up bike.

The windsurfing shit just makes steam come out my ears. There's a guy at work that says he used to windsurf. Doesn't now because he has a disabled kid and doesn't have time to do anything. When I was in the service we'd rent a boat at the lake and waterski, and there'd be people windsurfing. Also I was in a sport parachute club. THAT's an expensive sport (but we were subsidized by the military of course. Still took some bucks out of my pocket regularly). Go to the Jersey shore and for a few bucks you can try parasailing.

So, it just pisses me off that people buy into this crap about one particular sport being friggin' "elitist" just because it happens to be one that Kerry does (and they couldn't pick on bicycling, at least that would be too obvious). - See my post above about my mounting disdain.

Sorry to be all pissy on a Sunday morning. This is exactly why I've been posting less - if I open the tap even a little, my profanity runneth over.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:05 AM
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28. Don't apologize.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 11:31 AM by whometense
I appreciate your pissy-ness. Feeling it myself.

And I agree with absolutely everything you just said. So how do we mount a response? I just wrote a blog post about it and wrote to Crooks and Liars. One of the things that bothers me the most is that - and this reminds me in a really bad way of last year's campaign - not one democrat can be counted on to rise to his defense. They're all too busy trying to elevate themselves. It's too damned bad they can't put their personal ambitions aside for a few f***ing minutes and see that THIS HURTS THEM TOO.

As long as Rove and his minions get away with these misrepresentations of democrats as effete, out-of-touch, elitists, none of them will get elected.

See? I can get pretty pissy too. :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad:
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:15 AM
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29. E-mail to Jay.
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 11:17 AM by globalvillage
Who knows if anyone reads these, but I thought I'd write to Jay and Snuffy. Should I send the list of all of Sen Kerry's responses to Katrina? I thought the e-mail might go something like this:

Hey Jay, nice show the other night. I have a question, though. Was Senator Kerry really windsurfing while Mr. Bush was eating birthday cake with John McCain and pretending to play his new guitar as Katrina devastated Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi? If so, please let me know where, because I’ve heard there are not a lot of good windsurfing locations in Iraq, which is where Senator Kerry was when Katrina hit. Do you think he also got a little cycling in between visiting the troops and helping us recover from Mr. Bush’s other disaster? That would have been cool. You should show some clips of his holiday in Iraq. I’ll bet it was a blast!
Perhaps, instead of playing old clips of the Senator vacationing at a time when there was NOT a massive natural disaster occurring, you might mention that he has done a bit to help the people of the gulf that has not been widely reported by the media. It’s not funny stuff, but neither are your monologues.
Sincerely,
A former Tonight Show viewer


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 12:05 PM
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31. yes yes yes yes yes
That is actually the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of all of this. Particularly with rural state Dems, like right after the election. I don't understand how otherwise intelligent politicians can think that maligning their PRESIDENTIAL candidate can make them look better. All it does is reaffirm reasons for their own people to not vote Democratic, doh. And by not taking on the "noise machine", lets them roll it out again and again and again. Just stupid stupid stupid.

:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad:

Makes me pretty pissy too, lol..
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 07:07 PM
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33. You nail it whome!
Couldn't agree with you and everyone more.



:grr:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:23 AM
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30. GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!
I JUST SAW THAT!

And then George Steph kept that picture up there.

Here Kerry is trying to do something wonderful, and they make fun of him for that.

Ohhh - This really pisses me off!
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 01:15 PM
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32. The best counter to this would be for Sen. Kerry to go on Leno
Edited on Sun Sep-18-05 01:16 PM by TayTay
I don't understand why he isn't doing a little of this. (The Daily Show? Leno? Maybe Letterman? Not every night, but, geez, now and then it would be a good idea.

The whole reason that I posted, back last month, the whole St. Pat's Day breakfast thing was to show how you disarm an opponent with humor and by confronting the accusation directly. Sen. Kerry should call former Andover, MA resident Jay Leno and offer to go on his show and trade barbs with him. Confront the sucker directly and dare to call Leno on his bullshit. (I swear that in a battle of wits, Sen. Kerry is not going in unarmed. I swear. I've seen him do this stuff here locally and he is well-equipped to take this stuff head-on and disable it.)

Who are his press people? Why are they not on this? I'm sure that Leno and LEtterman and all the rest would jump through fire to book Kerry as a guest. They should do this. It would help immensely. There is nothing like stepping up to the plate and defending yourself. Surrogates can do it, but there is nothing like doing it for yourself.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:06 AM
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35. Given all the castastrophes, it might be better
to go on Ophrah or some other non-news and non-humor show. The comedy shows' formats are possibly too fast paced, snarky and cynical to allow anyone to convey much of a sense of compassion, dedication to doing what's needed to fix things or even sympathy - all would weigh down the format. (Jon Steward comes close at times to doing both - but it doesn't seem easy.)

On an Ophrah type show, the humor and positivity could shine through, but they would be secondary to the sincerity, earnestness, activism and genuine committment that define Kerry. Although his sense of humor is great, these other characteristics show more of the real person. The coverage last year left many people with no sense of the real person in terms of who he is or what he has accomplished. The only reason these jokes continue is because for many people there is no real image of Kerry to bounce them off of.



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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 10:32 AM
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36. I would
***LOVE*** to see him on Oprah.

On an Ophrah type show, the humor and positivity could shine through, but they would be secondary to the sincerity, earnestness, activism and genuine committment that define Kerry.

Totally agree.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-05 11:19 PM
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34. I can't believe what I have been reading here.
To many Kerry jokes at Kerry's expense for this not to be a set up, IMO. This makes me so mad. It seems that this is being done because people are questioning the wisdom of reelecting the real loser Bush.
I try not to get worked up about this type of stuff when it happens once in a great while- this is happening way to frequently now though. How dare they mock John Kerry just to make that pathetic excuse of a president look good.
Perhaps, there ploy will backfire though. Lets face it, they have nothing on John Kerry that makes him look like an uncaring, arrogant, screw up like Bush. So try all they might, people will remember the name Kerry and nothing relevant from these jokes and comments.
I do agree though, he needs to go on a couple of programs and let people see the real John Kerry so they can get re-acquainted with him.
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