Hate to depress everyone, but have you seen this thread?

[bush_is_wacko]

The Nashua Advocate has now taken to Kerry bashing. Don't people realize this just hurts the process?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x288111

From the Nashua Advocate article:

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During a Martin Luther King Day speech at the Boston Convention Center, speaking resolutely in front of an audience of over a thousand, Senator John F. Kerry (D-MA) uttered words whose irony he could not have comprehended, or, having comprehended, had not the sufficient force of will to adequately appreciate: "We are living in the year 2005, and if Dr. Martin Luther King were here today, he'd talk to you about it, believe me he'd talk to you about it..."
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But he wouldn't have waited seventy-five days until after a U.S. presidential election fraught with irregularities to do so. And to pay tribute to the man with a calculated deployment of those principles his life and death so embodied is to neither pay homage to those principles nor to the man who so honorably made them the ineluctable foundation of his public life.
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link to article:

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

[blm]

1. Kerry will pursue the vote fraud in a way that can be effective.

Too bad that so many don't realize that the screaming and shouting they want to hear only plays into the hands of our enemy and helps to further protect the guilty.

Unfortunately, the only way any truth can come out is with time, focus, and quiet and diligent evidence gathering.

[bush_is_wacko]

3. My thoughts exactly...

The Advocate is currently engaged in arguing their point with SEVERAL posters, including me. I have to admit, I have not put them on my list of forwards to others because I think they have a few things to learn about unity. Sorry to say, but the reason why MLK, and others aren't around anymore is that they didn't realize how badly hate-filled bigots did not want the message of peace, equality and, unity to catch on. I think Kerry understands that "truth" more than most.

[LittleClarkie]

4. Why do several on our side apparently need a dog and pony show

to believe someone is on their side?

Kerry was never going to be a grandstanding "LOOK AT ME! I'M WORKING FOR YOU" kind of guy. I expect him to quietly get results, as he always does.

He will generally do what he thinks is best, even if it is unpopular, and sometimes be wrong. I can't forgive him for that. Why can't others?

Why is it that so many seem to always see political calculation. I get so sick of hearing that, from BOTH sides.

But no. They want these people to do exactly what they want and exactly when they want it, or it's all no good. Is it just a basic mistrust of those in charge that is getting in the way?

I'm arguing too, but not getting anywhere really. Their cynical statement "We felt Kerry wanted exposure, so we gave it to him" just annoyed the crap out of me.

[bush_is_wacko]

6. Yes, I want what I want... and I want it now!

That is a nasty American trait. Other countries recognize this about us. America is an instant gratification society. I have caught myself doing it from time to time. Anyone that has been to say a "wealthy", "educated", Peruvian household will quickly realize why Americans are so spoiled. Our technology provides us with the ability to not have to look at stuff we don't want to look at.

I mention Peruvian specifically because, instead of flushing soiled toilet paper away, never to be seen again. Well off Peruvians collect it in a waste basket beside the toilet. Gross I know, but apparently the sewage system can't handle TP. I have no idea where it ultimately goes, I imagine the dump.

[LittleClarkie]

7. I'm done over there

All I'm doing now is kicking the thread and repeating myself.

I want the alternative argument out there, but after a while you have to give up on the back and forth.

[bush_is_wacko]

8. I agree. A lot of times I just don't bother to respond.

That works fine most times, but I am EXTREMELY disappointed that Kerry has come out on a day to honor Civil Rights and said something that should be a rallying point for all of us and a liberal promptly decided to start bashing him for not saying it earlier. Reality is he has said things of this nature before, but they haven't gotten much attention. No wonder our message is not clear to some! Our message is to bite the hand that feeds us on a regular basis because we have nothing better to do apparently!

[GRLMGC]

9. So true

I guess people don't realize that that's the reason Democrats are having a hard time. Whenever anyone mentions that maybe we should unite or AT LEAST put up a united front, they claim that they're asking them to not express opinions or criticize. I'm sorry but criticism involves suggesting something productive it doesn't mean saying something like: "Fuck you Kerry you let us down". That's not productive, that's fucking idiotic. Some people are just too ignorant and stupid to realize that.

[LittleClarkie]

10. Why is it more desirable

to be ideologically pure rather than pragmatic so that some work can get done.

We can't support someone to save our lives if they're not doing exactly what we want. It was like during the election (the GOTV week) when the leadership said "You may have criticisms about what we're doing and how we're doing it. Now is not the time. It's too late in the game."

Apparently our side would rather be individuals who are perfectly right but with no power to do anything about it, than a group who is getting something done.

But it's too late in the game for such purity, impressive though it may be.

I don't mean to squelch criticism. But that's not what we're getting for the most part. We're getting alot of whining, and bitching, and snarky comments, with the occasional, VERY occasional thoughtful comment. Even if I disagree with the thoughtful comment, I do appreciate the breath of fresh air.

[whometense]

12. And why is it that they

are more willing to believe he's abandoned them than that he's doing what he believes is right and for the common good.

By the way, you meant to say I can forgive him for that, right?? ;-)

[LittleClarkie]

23. Errr... oops

Yeah, I meant can.

[elshiva]

14. Right On, LittleClarkie!

Kerry is Kerry, the strong silent type. He's not Bill Clinton or Barbara Boxer, he's our own good man. Don't need to expect anything better than the careful, considerate, quiet work he's been doing in the Senate for the last 20 years.

[JohnKleeb]

5. blm, its good to finally see you here, youre part of why I became a Kerry

fan

[JI7]

11. me too

while i always liked Kerry and leaned towards supporting him, i became even a bigger supporter and went totally on his side during the primary because of blm and a few other posters.

she did a great job taking on all the bashers including the freeper seventhson. she would also only respond on the issues and with facts and never any personal attacks.

[LittleClarkie]

13. I could learn from that

I get snarky sometimes, then complain about the snark.

As for freepers, do you ever wonder how many of them are out there? C.U. seems to imply there are more than we know. Are they that hard to spot? I would think they would tend to give themselves away. Or is making us think there are more freepers that there actually are a part of the freeper psy ops.

[GRLMGC]

15. There are a few

I can sense when something in their post is off and when I search their other posts, out of curiousity, it becomes painfully obvious.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Freep-dar

Wish I had that.

[GRLMGC]

17. It's strange

because I'm not all that perceptive but I can generally spot a freeper from a mile away

[New Earth]

18. i think i can sense a freeper coming

before they even post :crazy:

[bush_is_wacko]

19. Faye, I am always impressed with your freep-dar as Little Clarkie called

it. Several people that frequent this particular forum are very good at it. I either don't have it or try not to assume it on a regular basis. That is partly why I get so infuriated at those that regularly indulge in bashing any candidate. There are things that I cannot and will not accept of this party, but it is very rare that I see that in someone with liberal beliefs. Glad someone on our side has the ability to detect BS when they see it!

[LittleClarkie]

20. It's hard to tell the lefty freepers from the righty freepers in disguise

I think that's part of the problem, sadly. I think sometimes (can I get this to come out of my mouth) Rush is sometimes right about the "loony left." It's just not as widespread as he claims is all. He tries to take the far left, and paint us all with the same brush. As the DU admin in the NYT wrote in his LTTE, it's a tactic of the right to find the weirdest example on the left that they can, and then use it to discredit the whole opposition. That was a good letter, btw. I hope you all got a chance to see it.

Common sense. That's all we need. Common sense. Why do they call it "common" sense when it's so hard to find.

Thank God for this place or I'd go completely bonkers.

[GRLMGC]

21. Common sense

That is hard to find. It's quite irritating. I also resent being grouped with those asshole left wingnuts (I don't mean people who are very liberal. I'm talking about those who can't see beyond their own self righteous ideology).

[bush_is_wacko]

22. You sound like my husband with the common sense bit...

But it is SO true! My parents and his parents were quite successful with very little education and a whole lot of common sense. They passed on that sense to the rest of the family, but the rest of us are relying on education and common sense. common sense made us realize we need education! In this day and age you need lots of both!

[pamela]

2. I saw it.

:mad: