Webb copying Kerry in his campaign announcement

[Mass]

Not really surprised to see Kerrey as one of his supporters. Kerrey is a good man, but as moderate as a NE Democrat can be expected to be.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/7/5519/21043

I wonder if BoB is going to help this one (I assume that Webb hates Cleland as much as Kerry, but who knows).

[karynnj]

1. What an obnoxious, stupid announcement

There is nothing in his announcement that raises my opinion of this Reagan administration jerk. He is clearly NOT a Democrat. He claims:
"But, like many of us, he considers himself as coming from an older, deeper tradition of the Democratic Party - Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Harry Truman - than we see in its current, "interest group politics" manifestation"
Could someone please tell him that Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican - unlike his better cousin, FDR? (I'll be interested to see how long it takes the Kos people to catch this). Also, not a good role model - Remember the Maine being the WMD of an earlier war.)

He also equates the Democratic party to the Republicans on corruption and cronyism and sees himself as better than the Democrats there - what a jerk.

"Frankly, if you love the current direction that the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, and the United States of America are heading, then by GOD don't vote for James Webb. If, however, you think we're running off course and need major changes to get us "back on track," then James Webb is your man - an American Hero to help save America from Bush, Cheney, and the "culture of corruption" Abramoff/DeLay Republicans.

Of course, if you are happy with government of lobbyists, by hacks, and for career politicians, then by GOD do NOT vote for James Webb."

So, he's an American hero - I'm sorry but I see no reason to accord him that status because I don't like what he did after gaining his awards. (isn't that his view on JK)

My opinion of Bob Kerrey really fell when I heard him on the Imus show a few days before John Kerry was on. Although he defended John Kerry who he likes, he thought the US was doing a good job on the policing actions (where John Kerry thought they were placed in an impossible position). Obviously, his own war experience (and his designation by some as a war criminal) didn't teach him much.

Mass - I assume you mean Kerrey in the title

[Mass]

2. I meant Kerry, but only because I did not read the end

The beginning was so reminiscent of some themes and pictures that Kerry had during his campaign that it struck me.

Of course, the rest is pure BS, and I am not sure whether it was Webb speaking or if it was the OP (who will ever know).

Kerrey is an hawk (and I am suspecting quite a few of those who say Kerry is a hawk may be confused between the two). A couple of days before the 2004 elections, he was on CNN saying that Kerry was wrong about Tora-Bora and that he should not say that. And during the 9/11 Commission, when he replaced Cleland, he was only too busy to attack Clinton as much as Bush as having done nothing.

[karynnj]

9. Too late to edit -

I misread the Dkos post as being part of his announcement. So, in fairness the idiot who wrote it is to blame.

[wisteria]

3. The pictures resemble Kerry's at first ,but this guy comes off as a jerk.

I did a double take on the pictures. However,looking over the pictures and reading is comments he seems like a cocky assh*le. IMO, he isn't Senate material. I think he may not appeal to many voters.

[karynnj]

5. You're right about the photos

Didn't he criticize Kerry for using his 35 year old photos (showing a much better looking sailor)?

[beachmom]

6. Certainly not a Dem voter like me in the primary!!

We need to get the word out on this guy. The one area where Kossaks seem to agree was at the disgusting smear campaign of the SBVT. People need to know that Webb supported them, not Kerry.

[beachmom]

4. I just wrote a scathing comment on the dKos thread

Which there is a good chance it will be troll rated. I pretty much said I'm not voting for him, even in the general. I swear to God, nothing short of an appeal from Senator Kerry himself, will change my mind about this guy. He is god awful!!! Then they mention Leslie Byrne (who ran and lost for lt. gov. in '05), who is a total liberal, as why we need to pick such a conservative Dem (or Republican??). Harris Miller is no way as liberal as Byrne. And here's the thing: Byrne only lost something like 51 - 48. And she worked for the Clinton administration AND headed Dean's campaign in Virginia. We don't NEED a Republican to defeat Allen. We need a centrist, common sense Democrat, and then we're not selling our soul in the process.

[Mass]

7. I saw your post - It was excellent.

[karynnj]

8. Great post!

Has he really said that about everyone that disagrees on Vietnam? That lunatic opinion shows an inability to consisder that he could be wrong- contrast that with Senator Hagel's comments. The autocratic nature of not tolerating dissent on Vietnam is striking in that he criticizes Iraq! I really hope this comes up in the primary - it really goes beyond his obnoxious attacks on Kerry.

[TayTay]

10. Your post was great!

You really made a great case for why this guy is a Zell Miller Dem. Nice job!

[whometense]

11. I just gave you a 4

in anticipation of what might come.

Great post!! I don't know what those people are thinking. It will be very interesting to see what kind of response you get.

[ProSense]

12. Great job!

Webb is worse than a Republican, he's an infiltrator.

[fedupinBushcountry]

13. Excellent post at DKos

I'm with you Beachmom, I will not vote for him either. As Kerry mentioned he will be supporting most fighting Dems and I know that Webb is one he will not. I see this guy as a Hawk and can you imagine if he gets in and how he would vote. Nope not taking any chances will vote Miller.

As Kerry says "we don't need two Republican parties in Washington".

[globalvillage]

14. Hey,

:applause:

[beachmom]

15. Thanks guys for making my day

Hey -- I'm a stay at home Mom, and any recognition, even on a small little comment on a minor diary on dKos, well, that's enough to make my day!

Did you guys see the poll -- I answered, Nah, I'd rather vote for a lobbyist or a lifelong politician. At the time, I thought the poll was unfair, then I realized:

Harris Miller was a lobbyist for the high tech industry

AND

John Kerry is a lifelong politician

You know, it's not the labels, it's the person. Some lifelong politicians DO become corrupt or jaded, but others don't. Some former lobbyists DO have conflicts of interest while others don't. I think each person should be judged by the content of their character, not the arbitrary labels attached to them.

Karynnj -- I kind of paraphrased and embellished about his remarks about anti-war opponents. But really, this is how he feels -- he really thinks anyone against the war is unpatriotic, anti-American, the lowest scum on Earth. Oh, wait -- that's only the Vietnam War. Being against the Iraq war makes you the perfect candidate for the Senate. What a hypocritical idiot! Hell, I've just created the perfect campaign Allen could launch against this guy. Hush, hush -- hopefully, he won't read here.

[karynnj]

16. Beachmom,

The sad thing is that while I am fairly sure that Allen's staff doesn't monitor our group, having found it by googling "Senator Barfbag", the campaign you speak of in part is likely what Allen will do. I have heard Rush and all essentially speaking of Murtha almost in the terms they used to reserve for the young VN protesters. Webb will get that if he becomes the candidate.

I would hope that sometime during the primary someone will ask him if he feels any differently towards the VN protesters now that he is in the same situation with regards to Iraq. A follow up of how does it feel to him to have his own patriotism questioned by the the political descendants of those who trashed people who questioned the Vietnam War. If he can't get it after all of this, he may have the same level of insight into this issue as someone as dumb as Allen.

His lack of insight might make him LESS able to fight this than someone like Kerry.