Obama's being cannibalized for endorsing Lieberman

[JohnKleeb]

Not something I would have done if I were the senator but Lieberman is far from the most conservative democratic senator, *cough* Ben Nelson. Its amaZing really how trival this is when it comes down to it, refusing to vote for a possible presidential contender because you don't like who he endorsed in a primary, its not like he's endorsing a republican candidate, yes I know Lieberman is a bit of a prick but unlike that asshole Miller he didn't go to the GOP convention and speak at theres as a keynote insulting our nominee. The Democratic Party is a big tent after all and that is its biggest strength. I wonder if anyone truly listened to Obama's Keynote speech, it was about unity when it came down to it, to quote the senator, we have gay friends in red states, we worship a powerful god in blue states. Sorry for ranting, I just hate to see a great man like Illionis' junior senator being denounced for endorsing an incumbent democrat in a primary.

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. Someone even said that "we in Illinois" might vote him out for it

I have only one response to that:

:spray:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ginnyinWI]

2. Has he got a high approval rating these days in IL ?

I seem to remember Obama won by quite a landslide. Of course he was running against a skunk. :P

[WildEyedLiberal]

5. It's something like 70%. Highest of any senator in the country

Obama's going NOWHERE, much as the lefty freepers may gnash their teeth and rend their garments.

Oh, and Alan Keyes: :rofl:

He actually won ten counties in southern Illinois, or, as I like to call it, Northern Kentucky. :scared:

[sandnsea]

17. He really WON counties?!?

I did not know that, now that is really scary.

:wow:

[JohnKleeb]

6. Apparently someone in GDP said it was high

It makes sense, Obama is the kind of liberal I like, you know he's a liberal and you know he really does want to heal wounds and do things for the better. Obama's election to the senate by the way was more of a landslide than my congressional election last year, thats how big a joke Alan Keyes is, and keep in mind that the guy who ran against my incumbent congressman unlike Keyes was a no name.

[JohnKleeb]

3. That was pretty funny

Barrack may get 69.99% of the vote instead of 70 :). Did you know that the "base" votes people out of office for going against them on a fellow democrat.

[JI7]

9. and it's more likely that most of those who wont vote for him again

are those who will vote for the Republican candidate if he is less nuttier than Keyes. it will have nothing to do with the Lieberman endorsement.

yup, the "base" are the ones who get on the internet making threats about how they will never support Obama if he runs for President years from now.

[JI7]

4. if Connecticut wont even vote out Joe himself

why would Obama get voted out for supporting him . these people make no sense. insteand of getting out there supporting whoever is running against Lieberman, they would rather rant on the internet about Obama and make a bunch of stupid threats.

and i saw one person say they will never vote for Obama even if he is running against someone like Jeb Bush.

[JohnKleeb]

7. I saw that

Same person also suggested we ban Lieberman supporters. Ahh the creeping totaliteranism of some on the left :puke" reminding me why both extremes suck.

[JI7]

10. and both seem to point their hatred at the Democrats

[JohnKleeb]

12. I hate using a Nazi day comparsion but

Apparently the Communist Party of Germany refered to the Social Democratic Party(I guess you could say Germany's equivlanet of hte Democrats) Social Fascists. I was talking more about extreme left and right globally though, something about my Eastern European background that will never let me slip to either extreme, those people suffered under the extremes.

[JI7]

13. yeah, that is true

i remember reading about some eastern european immigrants in California and something happened where the cops needed to ask them questions. nothing unusual, but because of their experience living under communism in europe they were afraid and it was difficult for the two sides to cooperate.

[JohnKleeb]

14. Yeah its a large part of why I hate both the extreme left and right

and consider among my heroes those who fight unregulated capitalism, fascism, and communism all. Thats why I had an admiration for the late pope despite my disagreements with him on abortion and gay rights. It was also the struggle of many left wing democratic parties in that part of Europe, they first had to deal with the Nazis killing them for being Slavs and Jews for being Jewish, then they had to deal with Moscow dominating them for many years. It scares me honestly when I see here on DU a creeping bit of authoritanism in some people or a desire to be a total communist system. Democratic socialism doesn't bother me but communism does.

[WildEyedLiberal]

8. Those people are as much a part of the Dem "base" as freepers

And they should be treated as such, in my opinion. They are beneath contempt.

[JohnKleeb]

11. If anyone was wondering why I am politically disillusioned

Now you know :). Seriously no offense but some of your fellow Illinoians are what I'd like to call "idiots", you got arguably the top or second best senate delegation in Obama and Durbin and some fine congresspeople too, and its not good enough for them, god try living in a state thats only gone to the democrats in a presidential election once in your parents lifetime, elected a football metaphor retard to the senate, I love Virginia but Illinois elects some great people.

[BlueIris]

15. Egh. I'm so done with Obama.

I think some posters here have gone a little bit nutty with their criticisms of this latest "move" of his, and I don't know why they're surprised. It's not really all that shocking that he would do something like this. It's terrible, but it matches up with the "talk like a (fake) liberal, vote like a centrist, then claim you're 'just being fair to the conservatives'" strategy Obama's been working forever, which, in my opinion, isn't a good thing for the Party and isn't what his constituents want. Which is very sad. I've been less than enthused with B.O. for a while, but now...egh. I'm not inspired to start flame wars over him, but I don't care what happens to him now, either.

[WildEyedLiberal]

16. I can totally understand the frustration about Obama

I'm not especially happy with him, either... he rubbed me the wrong way when he got on national TV and criticized the filibuster effort. However, the morons in GD are going way over the top, and they once again exhibit their inflated sense of ego if they think that a handful of little malcontents on the internet are actually going to keep Obama from getting re-elected. :eyes:

I mean, I have to suck it up here in Illinois and vote for Rod Blagojevich, who is quite far down on my list of Democrats, because I don't want that skank-ho Judy Baar Topinka trying to make Illinois a GOP shithole.

[ProSense]

18. Yet

some of these same people preferred Hackett over Brown and are promoting Webb.

Voting Obama out? Didn't he just vote against that weak lobbying bill? Join the filibuster? Vote against Roberts, Gonzales and the bankruptcy bill?

I don't agree with everything he does, but I'm not a Republican---I don't expect to.

[Mass]

19. no sitting senators is going to go after Lieberman. They would be

afraid to set a precedent.

No doubt that some of them would like Lieberman to be replaced by somebody else though. It is just bad politics to say so.

The same thing happened with Republicans endorsing Bush, but who would have preferred Kerry.

[JohnKleeb]

20. I was actually thinking more about

the Toomey-Specter primary in 2004, I mean take Arlen Specter he's in the party's more moderate-liberal wing in the senate and take Pat Toomey who is definely in the conservative wing of the party. Bush, Rove, and Rick Santorum all supported Specter in the primary, I haven't heard any accounts about Pennsylvania Republicans denouncing Bush for this or refusing to vote for Santorum this year because of that because that primary was very close especially if you consider the fact that Specter wasn't in ethical trouble at the time yet he barely won. I mean in the newspaper article I read about this, former Congressman John Larson, a democrat who remains staunchly opposed to the war is still supporting Lieberman, I imagine Chris Dodd is too. If Lieberman were in ethical trouble, I Think Obama and pretty much every other prominent Connecticut democrat would be supporting Lamont. It's politics after all, do I like it, no not really but its hard to change something like that and I don't think Lieberman is the worst Democratic senator, he pisses me off more than he pleases me but I don't think he's a bad person just sincerely misguidded.

[emulatorloo]

21. ADA Lifetime Voting Record: Lieberman 76 | Frist 03 | Durbin 98

http://www.adaction.org/sen.htm

[JohnKleeb]

22. Ouch Frist hahah

My two senators got a combined 15% in 2005. See how great it is to have republican senators.