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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:03 AM
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2008 selector - with a problem
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 10:04 AM by karynnj
This is up on DU-P. I actually got Kerry 100% (shock shock)

http://www.selectsmart.com/plus/select.php?url=08frontrunners

But there is a problem, after you get your results, you can click to get the underlying information. There is a problem. They list Kerry as a hawk. I thought it was the IWR, but they have Edwards as a dove. Kerry was pretty clearly anti-war, while Edwards was still defending it. They have an email, so I emailed them on this plus their "not knowing" Gore's position on defending constitutional rights.

As these things circulate it would be great if we could get them to change this.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:22 AM
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1. Thanks for pointing that out!
I think sending an e-mail is good. Kerry has never supported preemptive war.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:34 AM
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3. I had pointed it out on DU
and actually got a few people suggesting emailing them - I hadn't seen the email link before.

The odd thing is that it doesn't impact my results. I agree that Kerry "Mr International law, Geneva conventions etc" would never ever agree with Bush's pre-emptive war doctrine and he said so in the debates. I was horrified that the people doing it could get the former Presidential candidate wrong. I do suspect they have an agenda - I did say I would love to send it to people - but not with those errors.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:31 AM
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2. Kerry only came up third on my list
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 10:36 AM by rox63
with 92%. My list had Feingold (100%) and Kucinich (98%) above him.

I think they've got it wrong, especially on matters of war and peace. And I definitely intend to vote for Kerry if he jumps into the 2008 race.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 10:37 AM
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4. How did you answer the first question?
I suspect that you took the anti-war answer - which is pulling directly from this info where your Senator is labelled a HAWK. (Did you ever expect that?) It will likely direct a lot of people to Feingold that should be Kerry. (My candidate for agenda)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:39 AM
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5. Whatever the agenda,
Edited on Tue Apr-18-06 11:41 AM by ProSense
it's strange that they have Edwards as dove and Kerry as hawk. Kerry is not a pacifist, but he is not a hawk, and neither is Feingold. He, and everyone in the Senate, except Craig (R-ID)and Helms (R-NC), voted for the 2001 authorization to use force.

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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:05 PM
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7. I got the same score as you
Except Kerry at 93%. But I thought the questions were rather lame, with not enough nuance. So it's just a quick take, and yes if they think JK is a hawk they war wrong! He's a "tough dove". ;)
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:27 PM
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8. Kerry was second on my list with 99% and Kucinich was 100%.
Go figure, I would never of even considered less than 100% for me in regards to Kerry. Oh, Biden was the third closest. Ha Ha!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 11:48 AM
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6. I noticed the inaccuracies there too.
I was thinking though, this poll might be designed this way to leave a certain impression and obtain a certain result.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:48 PM
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9. I think so too
which is why after taking the advice on DU-P and emailing them - I posted it here. I doubt people vote for the computer generated result - but I think that the chart may be used. That Kerry's history is pretty well known might mitigate the importance of it. I also don't think Edwards IS a dove - he really was pretty hawkish - I know he thinks Iraq was wrong, but he didn't (to my knowledge) say anything about war in general.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:33 AM
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10. Kerry 100% - Feingold 99%
Kucinich at around 93%. I noticed that war result too and thought it was strange. I emailed them, haven't heard anything back yet.
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