Passing a tv at the pub, tuned to Fox, with a picture of Kerry

[LittleClarkie]

at Condi's hearing, and the words "Bitter Kerry" tonight, made me think that if Fox is still bothering to spin John's position on an issue, they must still consider him a threat, or they wouldn't bother.

I didn't see the report, or hear what they had to say, as the sound was turned down, but still, this was the thought that flashed through my mind. Cool beans.

[WildEyedLiberal]

1. The pukes are scared to death

Of our boy.

And they should be. I would not want to be on the receiving end of a John Kerry vendetta.

[ginnyinWI]

2. yup, it's predictable

you can go on Fox or turn on Rush Limburger and see what the other side is currently afraid of. Talking points, talking points. Bitter? Are they going to believe their lying mouths, or their lying eyes--he was at that coronation laughing and joking.

I remember in October turning on Rush in the car, and it was panic-mode time--he was going non-stop against Kerry and Theresa, hardly stopping to catch a breath. It was so hilarious. It was all about how elite they were, and French, and all that crap. Huh-wouldn't they just LOVE to have had a candidate so accomplished so they could fawn over him,instead of what they had to work with. Like Kerry is a war veteran, pilot, a sportsman, an athlete, has a resume a mile long, speaks several languages, etc. And they couldn't find a single scandal to pin on him-boo hoo hoo.

[Pirate Smile]

3. On Friday, I watch Hardball and they had a RW female columnist

on (nasty woman) who called Kerry "petty and petulant" for voting against Condi. They just ignore what she did in the lead up and execution of the war. :mad:

[angrydemocrat]

5. I Seen That Shit To

That was that bitch Debra Orrin from fom the New York Post. Chris is kissisg repuke ass majorly bad the past week. His ratings will drop off like a damn rock he keeps the shit up.

[Pirate Smile]

7. As usual, they had a RW'er with a supposedly objective journalist

(from the Hotline) and this is supposed to be balanced. When the hell did this become BALANCED? It is NOT. Meet the Press keeps doing this shit too.

[angrydemocrat]

9. I Know

I try to keep a open mind with MSNBC because so far they have been more fair in most cases with Kerry and other Democrats than others. Hell do you think Fox or CNN would have a show like Keiths on? Hell no not for a damn minute. Hell for that matter Fox pushed Keith out the door when he worked there. Matthews is screwed up in head and gets to thinking he has to kiss repukes asses to get his ratings up and when they start dropping he comes back to reality and starts talking sense again. Matthews isn't the die hard repuke many think he is. He has many in his family but he's not. He use to work for Jimmy Carter and if you ever listen to him and especially when he talks to his or about his old boss you can tell. Matthews just hasn't never learned you don't have to kiss the rights ass to have a top rated show.

As far as Scarborough well that damn fool doesn't know from one damn day to the next what the hell he believes. One minute * is God and can't do no wrong the next he is giving him hell saying he is anything but a consevative and saying his policies are a dead horse LMAO. So it depends on which mood he is having as to wether I actually listen or flip the damn channel. But I always wait to see what his mood and shows going to be about before I do because every now and then he does have some decent shows. And he has Al Franken on his show quite a bit and Al is always pointing out how Kerry was right all along and rubs it in. He is also great at telling repukes where to get off and proving them to be liars and fools without being the least little bit nasty. It is funny as hell I think. Matthews also has Al on his show some. You don't see that on FOX or CNN.

So I guess what I'm trying to say all Democrats have to half way depend on in cable news is MSNBC. You sure as hell can't trust the others. And CSPAN is just as bad sometimes with having repukes on and when Democrats call in they cut them off all the time but repukes calling in they let run their damn mouth until they are done it is rare thet cut them off. That shit pisses me off all the damn time. But every now and then thet break down and actually give good coverage. As they did covering the protesters this time. I have to say that shocked me. They will make up for that shit this coming up week wait and see. But all and all the best cable news resource for Democrats right now is MSNBC and CSPAN for the Senate and House. We just have to put them in their places sometimes by causing their ratings to drop. Then they will come back to reality. Sooner or later they will get their head out of their ass and realize repukes watch FOX and not them and they will start doing right.

[ginnyinWI]

11. with cspan, it depends on who is the moderator

sometimes they let the "supports Democrats" callers talk longer, and shut up the ones with only RW talking points.

[Pirate Smile]

12. I agree. I watch MSNBC the most because they are generally better

then the other two channels.

I was hoping they would put something decent on that I could watch after Keith. I know everyone thinks it will be Tucker but I haven't seen anything for sure about that yet. I would certainly hope they put a Dem co-host on with him instead of just giving him the entire show (if he gets it).

I read that one reason Tucker wanted to leave Crossfire is because (anyone who watched it would know this) he was NOT for the Iraq War but because of the format he felt like he had to argue for BushCo's POV.

[ginnyinWI]

10. msnbc

is the lowest rated cable news network by far--they trail a distant third. Something to be happy about when those guys start mouthing off about Kerry. I got fed up with Tweety this fall--one insult about Kerry after the other. He's someone I formerly watched a lot, too.

[Pirate Smile]

13. He is still OK sometimes. He is not for the Iraq War. He is so

erratic in his POV though that you never know what he is going to say.

[bush_is_wacko]

4. Looks like THIS thread will need to be watched regarding

this issue. Swift boats are attempting to do something again and yes, that was my thought too. Scaredy cats! It is such a small post I had to paste the whole thing here for you to get the gist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x300978

"My dad is a supporter of the swift boat veterans for truth (the shame of it!) and he called me yesterday to gloat about some weekend retreat that they had which ended with them deciding to form a coalition to take further action against John Kerry....It is the ultimate in ridiculous to me. I wonder if there is a way for me to contact the Kerry campaign still (even though the election is over)so that I can provide them with the information that I have"

[angrydemocrat]

6. Hell call Kerry's office in Washington

and tell them what all you know.

[bush_is_wacko]

8. That was my suggestion! and ASAP! n/t

[TayTay]

14. Remember what Larissa said

The Game's afoot. There are political reasons to want to take Kerry out and Faux Awful News is employing them. The Rethugs are scared that the Dems are going to get their act together and start acting like an opposition party and gain ground. Social Security privitization is starting to look like a dog and it is starting to look like an issue that could do some damage to Rethugs in '06. That and the war is NOT going well, and last week the New Yorker leaked the news that the bushies are already in Iran, starting special operations in advance of an invasion. They believe that Iran will have an internal revolution that will bring down the Mullahs. This is utterly ridiculous, but the neocons believe it.

There are factions in the Rethugs who know that they are on the verge of an internal split that would divide their voters into somewhat moderates vs. Rethugs. What to do? Well, for one, bury the true opposition under a nice pile of bullshit and recriminations. Kerry is a target this week, although all his objections to Condi were valid. This is going to get worse. Keep your eyes on the Rethugs and WHY they are doing this. It's going to get real interesting. Remember the post on DU that *'s approval ratings are down to 44%. That opposition that Kerry put forth, with statesmanship and intelligence is going to start to look real good. Rethugs want him down and bleeding so that they don't have a viable opposition.

Read some tea leaves here, my babies, it's about to get real good. When you respond to posts on DU, keep this in mind. Remember to tell folks that we need to present a united front in opposition to the collosal failure that is the * foreign and domestic agenda. If they take Kerry out, they will just go on down the Dem line.

Edit: I am on a borrowed machine.

[LittleClarkie]

15. One thing you said

"That and the war is NOT going well, and last week the New Yorker leaked the news that the bushies are already in Iran, starting special operations in advance of an invasion."

I know at least one Repub who thinks if Iran was left alone, that the generation coming up is showing signs of being ready to modernize and to overthrow the current system themselves. All they need is time. He thinks it would be utterly stupid to invade them anytime soon.

If we do indeed invade Iran, I think that even some of the current diehard Bushites will wake up and say, "WTF."

Some already are with the mandatory psych testing for children and the liberal immigration ideas. And there are those who say that if we add just one more war, just one more, we will need a draft. Now perhaps they will try to pull out of Iraq after the election, and use those troops for Iran, but still, bless their hearts, there's only so many of them.

Also, what you said about the New Yorker article. Was that Sy Hersh? Is that why Kerry kept making Condi repeat over and over that this was not true? So that he would have her under oath and on record as saying that they weren't in Iran, thereby catching her in the administration's lies when all this comes out? If it does, of course.

[TayTay]

25. transcript about Sy Hersh article

Asks if Ms. Rice has read the Jan. 24th issue article:

SEN. KERRY: "The Coming Wars." Just to quote from it for a minute, he says -- he talks about the administration conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer. He talks about the administration looking at the region as huge war zone, and next we're going to have the Iranian campaign. This is a quote from the Bush administration former high-level intelligence official, quote: "Next, were going to have the Iranian campaign. We've declared war and the bad guys, wherever they are, are the enemy. This is the last hurrah. We've got four years, and want to come out of this saying we won the war on terrorism."

There's one particular -- I'm not going to ask you to comment on anything classified, but I am going to ask you to comment on this. "A former high-level intelligence official told me, quote, 'They don't want to make any WMD intelligence mistakes as in Iraq. The Republicans can't have two of those. There's no education in the second kick of a mule.' The official added that the government of Pervez Musharraf, the Pakistan president, has won a high price for its cooperation: American assurance that Pakistan will not have to hand over A.Q. Khan, known as the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, to the IAEA or to any other international authorities for questioning."

Do you know whether or not that's accurate?

MS. RICE: I will just reiterate what was said about that article by the Defense Department. It is filled with inaccuracies, and it's credibility is sorely lacking.

The --

SEN. KERRY: But on that specific point.

MS. RICE: Let me -- let me just speak to the handling of A.Q. Khan. What we have been concerned about is that we are able to get the information that we need to break up the network. We have not made any deals about what happens with him.

SEN. KERRY: I'm sorry.

MS. RICE: We have not made any deals about what happens with him, but we have been concerned with the Pakistani government to get access to as much information as we possibly can. This is a matter that's being handled by the Pakistanis. It is not our place to talk about what should or should not happen with the IAEA, and we have not.

SEN. KERRY: So what about our own interests and our own efforts with respect to A.Q. Khan?

MS. RICE: Our own interests are being very well served by the fact that A.Q. Khan is now off the market, that we are working with the Pakistanis to get information about what he knows; very well served by cooperation on several -- with several other governments about members of his network. Several of them are in custody, some will be prosecuted. And so our interests are very well being served in this regard.

SEN. KERRY: Are they being served if we don't have direct access to them?

MS. RICE: We believe that we have a working relationship with Pakistan on dealing with the A.Q. Khan matter. At this point, we are getting cooperation from Pakistan on what we need with A.Q. Khan.

SEN. KERRY: But are they being served if we don't have direct access to them?

MS. RICE: They're being served at this point.

SEN. KERRY: Adequately?

MS. RICE: We are getting the information that we need to deal with the A.Q. Khan network.

Senator, I don't know what we will need to ask in the future, but at this point, we have a good working relationship with Pakistan on this matter.

SEN. KERRY: And with respect to Iran, are you also denying or discounting any of the allegations in this article?

MS. RICE: The article has -- it is inaccurate.

SEN. KERRY: With respect to Iran?

MS. RICE: The article is, as Defense said, inaccurate.

SEN. KERRY: With respect to Iran?

MS. RICE: Senator, the article does not represent our policies toward Iran or our expectations of policy toward Iran.

Under oath. On the record. hehehehehehehe

[elshiva]

32. Iran, Iran, Iran! Answer the frigging question already, Condi!

Thanks TayTay. JK is so well read, it makes me sad...

[whometense]

16. I'm glad to hear you mention this.

I was just about to post something about *'s approval ratings.

Were you as struck as I was with the way the dems handled the Rice hearings? And then stonewalled the fasttracked vote? I sense a well-oiled machine. I think the shadow presidency has commenced. I think the dems are talking to each other. I'm excited. I feel like all those well-reasoned but speculative posts about what Kerry had planned are moving into action.

[WildEyedLiberal]

17. You guys are getting me excited

These are exciting times indeed...

[whometense]

18. I think there's reason to be

excited. Not that I actually know anything. I just feel it. Kerry has never been in a leadership position in the party before. And I believe he really is a leading.

[angrydemocrat]

20. Your Going To See Democrats Serve Her Sorry Ass Up For Lunch Tomorrow

When I was listen to Reid the other day in Senate give the time schedule for which Senator would speak and for how long Boxer was given a hour and Kerry 20 minutes. The Kennedey stood up on behalf of Kerry saying that was enough time for Kerry (don't remember his exact words) anyhow Reid said he had already worked it out with the other Senators and that Boxer said she didn't need the whole hour so her time left over would go to Kerry as well as others senators left over time would go to Kerry. Alot of them said they would need all the time they were allowed. So Boxer and Kerry both will be at it full force again. Along with some of the others Rockefeller was one mentioned.

[whometense]

21. I cannot wait!!!!

And no work tomorrow. Woohoo!! I can stay home and watch c-span...

[TayTay]

26. Also, what Biden said

I can't find a transcript of the business meeting that followed Condi's testimony, but I saw it again on C-Span yesterday and Biden was complaining that he was told in the Democrats Caucus (of Sen. Foreign Relations memebership) that he was not being tough enough on Condi in the hearings. Chew on that one for a minute.

Also, the Dems have time to pull back and regroup over Torture Boy Gonzalez. I want a no vote on that bastard even more than I want one on Condi. That whole torture policy is a screw-up of monumental proportions that will have repercussions for 50 years or more. That bastard will be confirmed as AG, but he should have to sweat it out. This is beyond anything partisan I feel, this bastards have harmed the US with their stupid and arrogant policies. I want them to sweat it out. I will be e-mailing both of my Senators to not confirm either Condi or Torture Boy. I think they will come forward with Nay votes.

[angrydemocrat]

27. I Don't Think You Have A Thing To Worry About

They Will Vote No!

[whometense]

28. I watched the business meeting at work

and missed a lot of the finer points. I certainly missed Biden's complaint. I was also looking for a transcript but haven't been able to come up with one yet. I do find that comment VERY interesting.

Do you have the same sense I have that JK is doing a lot of behind-the-scenes agenda driving? All those cell phone minutes in pursuit of democracy...

[TayTay]

29. Yeah, I do

I sense that there is a lot going on in the background. I sense stuff on Dean and others that might surprise some folks.

BTW, did you read this in the WaPo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29414-2005Jan22.html

Hmmm, who had tht petition to get rid of this undemocratic jerk? Let me think?

[angrydemocrat]

19. Oh I Totally Agree

I have been saying there number one agenda right now is to take down Kerry. Hell this is coming straight from the White House and all it's cronies. And Kerry knows it as well don't nobody kid themselves. Think about people. This is just like the Nixon days only worse. But they didn't succeed then and they sure as hell won't now as far as bringing Kerry down. Kerry has his own connections now as well. As a matter of fact he is in a better position today to fight this shit than he was then. They will not succeed in bringing Kerry down but they are going to do every damn thing in there power to try. If Nixon was living he would tell them they are damn fools for messing with this man. But I'm telling you think about the Nixon years, what they tried, how they tried, and all the events going on then. Then compare it to all you are seeing today and keep in mind while comparing all this all those that were involved then are right there in the middle of it today. Dumbsfeld to name you one, John O'Neill to name you another anyhow just think and you can see this puzzle coming together. Kerry has already solved the puzzle and these bastards don't know it yet but they are scared shitless! They know they are messing with dynamite some have already experienced it once only this time the dynamite is a bigger package.

[bunny planet]

30. It will be a beautiful thing to behold.

If it is possible to admire Senator Kerry more than I already do, I will, he will make us proud again. I'm sure of it.

[Vektor]

22. They are such whiny little drama queens...

...and yes, obviously still very threatened by Kerry.

[angrydemocrat]

23. Very Threatened

LMAO! Senate will be good today.

[Vektor]

24. indeed...

admittedly I used to watch with the sound off, just 'cuz JK is so hot...but tomorrow, I will listen. :-)

[Laurab]

31. The thing I think I like the most

is that Kerry is SMILING so much. BIG smiles. It makes me think they have reason to be afraid of him. During the Rice hearings, I thought he was definitely in prosecutor mode. Under oath, on the record, and he did not let up. He knows what he's doing, and he's up to something. I hope it's a big "something".

At any rate, he sure doesn't look like a worried man to me.

[Vektor]

33. Nope, he looks brave

heroic, and very in control to me!

[TayTay]

34. All that nervous energy

He fidgets a lot. Taps fingers together. Rock back and forth in the chair. Smooth hair out. Tap fingers together. Feet are tapping. Raock back and forth in the chair again. I think the man has ADD. Never still for a moment. Seriously, watch the hearings again, he is always in motion.

[ginnyinWI]

35. that's how he stays so thin--

he's one of those people who just doesn't stay still. Vanessa told Al Franken that her dad needs to eat "mass quantities of food" too--just burns it right off. Al replied that he "hated him"for that, and wasn't going to vote for him--but then said "just kidding". lol

[Vektor]

36. He's probably seething

with rage that Shrub is still on the throne, screwing everything up.