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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:38 AM
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Interior decorating, Catholic style
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 11:38 AM by hedgehog
When I was a kid, all Catholic homes had at least one picture of Mary prominently displayed and maybe a crucifix. Most also had various pictures or statues of the Infant of Prague, Sacred Heart, or other saints scattered about. I have pictures and icons all over my house, but I don't think I've seen this in any home belonging to someone my age or younger. The most I see now are generic angels.

My question is, was this an immigrant custom that went away as we assimilated? Were post Vatican II Catholics embarrassed by our plethora of devotions and did we quietly drop them in order to fit in? I grew up knowing about all sort of saints, but they seem to be mostly forgotten now.

I am seeing icons of saints from several sources now. These collections usually include both old favorites and new people such as Oscar Romero or John 23rd. There are also some new icons of the Sacred Heart that'd knock your socks off!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 11:23 PM
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1. We have some crosses and religious pictures in the bedrooms.
Except at Christmas time, when we have more that we bring into the public rooms.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 07:58 PM
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2. I think there's something to that
When I moved away, my mother asked me if I wanted to take our Sacred Heart plaque that was on the right-hand wall just as soon as you came into the house. I said no mostly because it was so bloody (but also because I couldn't imagine my home without it!) My father's relatives always had very bloody iconography in the house - I and my siblings were much less understanding of it than the "older" generation.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:40 AM
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3. You used to know when you walked into a Catholic home.

Just like you used to know when you walked into a Catholic church, or an Orthodox or Episcopal church; all were clearly different from Protestant churches. Smells and bells, altar rails, statues, side altars, etc. After Vatican II, some priests got carried away ripping out altar rails and confessionals and stashing statues in the basement, and lots of Catholics walked out and never returned.
I think it's a reasonable hypothesis that the change in church decor led Catholics who remained in the church to tone down their home decor, too. Also, there's probably some sensitivity to what non-Catholic visitors may think, whereas years ago, Catholics were more likely to live in mostly Catholic neighborhoods so that was less of a consideration.

It seems that Catholics today are more likely to have crucifixes and other religious items in their bedrooms, as pnwmom said, than in the public areas of our homes.

Tell us your sources for icons, hedgehog, and maybe we'll all decorate a bit more!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:50 AM
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4. Here's a partial list, some modern, some traditional
Bridge Building Images

Printery House

Bee Still Studio

Trinity Stores

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scarlet_owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 09:35 PM
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5. I have a picture of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart.
I also have two crucifixes, an Infant of Prague planter (which I keep pens in), a holy water font that I got when I joined the Church, two statues of Mary in my kitchen, and an antique framed picture of Jesus. I just love religious decor.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 10:35 PM
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6. I guess my style is Celtic-influenced pack rat.
A friend has given me Book of Kells plaques, a print of an Irish prayer, and wooden carving of the Blessed Mother (It's not clear where it was made). In addition to that, I have print of the cathedral at Bamberg on the wall (from a member of the German Catholic Community). There's a St. Barbara candle in the kitchen, courtesy of the Central American goods aisle at the supermarket. I've also got my parents' old crucifix, but it strikes me as too heavy for the wall, so it's lying on the bookcase.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 06:00 PM
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7. My mother had a alter in one of the bedrooms dedicated to Our Lady of Guadalupe.
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 06:05 PM by augie38
It took up almost all of one wall. That was also where she prayed every night.

My wife is a convert to Catholicism and she seems to enjoy the few little statues and crucifixes that we have around the house. Her favorite is a beautiful 10" statue of Our Lady that was given to her by my mother, who brought it with her from Mexico, during the revolution.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 03:10 AM
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9. I am making a life-sized quilt portraying Our Lady of Guadalupe,

which will take up most of a wall. I'm not Mexican, but I have a strong affinity for OLG and I love seeing images of her on the cars of Mexican immigrants here. I have a small statue of her in my quilt studio, hope to finish the quilt by her feast day this year.

Did you know that the site where the apparition took place is in the exact center of the Americas? Not just the center of Mexico, but the center of North, South and Central America combined. She is, of course, the Patroness of the Americas as well as the Patroness of the Unborn (because she's pregnant.) I learned all sorts of things in researching for the quilt.

Two good sites with info about OLG (I just discovered the second one recently and learned new things):

http://www.sancta.org/

http://www.ourladyofguadalupe.org/ologimage.htm
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:52 AM
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10. I have two images of Our Lady of Guadalupe in my house.
I don't have this one, but I may add it.

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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 02:19 PM
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11. I think its not in good taste, to those of us who honor Her, to post a
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 02:48 PM by augie38
picture, in this forum, of Her in that light.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 05:25 PM
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17. I'm sorry if I offended you.
Edited on Wed Feb-28-07 05:26 PM by hedgehog
I'm intrigued by the depection of the Blessed Mother as a young, vigorous happy woman

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations
shall call me blessed.

For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is His name.

And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation unto generation.

He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.

He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent away empty.

He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity forever.

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 08:23 PM
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18. Portraying the Blessed Virgin Mary as a young, vigorous happy woman is

not offensive. Portraying her in quasi-modern dress and sneakers is not offensive to me, though it may be to some.

Portraying her running in order to show her thigh is offensive. The human body is not offensive but Mary has always been a symbol of feminine modesty to Christians, an ideal for Christian women to emulate.

Portraying Mary trampling on a cherub is also offensive. Since the cherub has red, white, and blue wings, it would appear to be an anti-American statement, but the real problem I have with it is that it shows Our Lady trampling on a cherub. That makes no sense theologically. As the second Eve, Our Lady tramples on the serpent/Satan.

Thus it's also troubling that Mary is waving a serpent about as if she might use it as a weapon. I've studied OLG for years as research for my art work and here are a few things I've learned:

"Some believe that Our Lady used the Aztec Nahuatl word of coatlaxopeuh which is pronounced "quatlasupe" and sounds remarkably like the Spanish word Guadalupe. Coa meaning serpent, tla being the noun ending which can be interpreted as "the", while xopeuh means to crush or stamp out. So Our Lady must have called herself the one "who crushes the serpent."

The Aztecs practiced human sacrifice on a grand scale. "In 1487, just in a single 4 days long ceremony for the dedication of a new temple in Tenochtitlan, some 80,000 captives were killed in human sacrifice. The same practices, which in most cases included the cannibalism of the victims limbs, were common also in earlier Mesoamerican cultures, with widespread Olmec, Toltec and Maya human sacrificing rituals."

"An almost universal symbol of that religion was the serpent. The temples were richly decorated with snakes. Human sacrifices were heralded by the prolonged beating of huge drums made of the skins of huge snakes, which could be heard two miles away. Nowhere else in human history had Satan, the ancient serpent, so formalized his worship with so many of his own actual symbols."


"The Image of Our Lady is actually an Aztec Pictograph which was read and understood quickly by the Aztec Indians.

1. THE LADY STOOD IN FRONT OF THE SUN
She was greater than the dreaded Huitzilopochtli, their
sun-god of war.

2. HER FOOT RESTED ON THE CRESCENT
MOON
She had clearly crushed Quetzalcoatl,
the feathered serpent moon-god.

3. THE STARS STREWN ACROSS THE MANTLE
She was greater than the stars of heaven which they worshipped. She was a virgin and the Queen of the heavens for Virgo rests over her womb and the northern crown upon her head. She appeared on December 12, 1531 and the stars that she wore are the constellations of
the stars that appeared in the sky that day!

4. THE BLUE?GREEN HUE OF HER MANTLE
She was a Queen because she wears the color of royalty.

5. THE BLACK CROSS ON THE BROOCH AT HER NECK
Her God was that of the Spanish Missionaries, Jesus Christ her son who died
on the cross for all mankind.

6. THE BLACK BELT
She was with child because she wore the Aztec Maternity Belt.

7. THE FOUR PETAL FLOWER OVER THE WOMB
She was the Mother of God because the flower was a special symbol of
life, movement and deity-the center of the universe.

8. HER HANDS ARE JOINED IN PRAYER
She was not God but clearly there was one greater than Her and she
pointed her finger to the cross on her brooch.

9. THE DESIGN ON HER ROSE COLORED GARMENT
She is the Queen of the Earth because she is wearing a contour map of
Mexico telling the Indians exactly where the apparition took place."


Within a few years of the apparitions of Our Lady of Guadalupe, when she crushed the serpent under her feet, millions of the native people converted to Christianity.

The information provided is from the sites I mentioned in my earlier post re: OLG.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 01:19 AM
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12. What is represented by
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 01:26 AM by Book Lover
the winged figure in this image?

on edit: Never mind. I took a few minutes and looked it up. Interesting that in this particular image, the angel is in such an odd posture.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 08:26 AM
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8. Add to the above list of picture sources:
Edited on Wed Feb-21-07 08:27 AM by hedgehog
Monastery Icons

Original List:

Bridge Building Images

Printery House

Bee Still Studio

Trinity Stores
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 02:09 PM
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13. If you can stand another comment - did anyone notice how Martin Sheen's
home was decorated in the Departed? I also noticed a picture of the Sacred Heart in prominent, albeit improper, use elsewhere in the movie!
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 07:20 PM
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14. I didn't see it.
Care to elaborate for those of us who haven't seen the movie?

For what it's worth, Martin Scorsese considered the priesthood! I wouldn't mind having 45 minutes to talk to him about that decision...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:32 AM
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15. In the hallway of his character's house, there is a wall covered with
a montage of old photos, religious pictures, art prints, etc. My kids picked up on it right away and burst out laughing. That's what my house looks like!
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 08:55 PM
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16. Every Catholic in my family had a picture of the Pope, John Kennedy
and a crucifix at every entrance to the house and typically these crucifixes were from the caskets of loved ones who passed on...I have my grand mother's crucifix at one entrance and a special Lithuanian cross at the other entrance.

We also had statues of Mary or Jesus in the kid's bedrooms and my mother still has ceramic wall mounts of Jesus and Mary.

Religious pictures were also very common...Christ in the Garden of Getheseme, Young Jesus with his parents learning carpentry...etc.

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