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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 07:04 PM
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Poll question: Is the following verse an example of Jesus praying?
Luke 9:16
And taking the five loaves and the two fish, he looked up to heaven, and blessed and broke them, and gave them to the disciples to set before the crowd.

I will tell you why I ask later.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:40 PM
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1. The prayer he
said is known as a brekout, and must be said by a traditional Jew, blessing their food and thanking god, over any item before it enters the mount (and for lots of other reasons as well).

The prayer he said is pronounced:

Ba-ruch a-tah A-do-nai E-lo-hei-nu Me-lech Ha-o-lam,
ha-mo-tzi le-chem min ha-a-retz.

and translated:

Blessed are You, HaShem, our God, King of the Universe,
who brings forth bread from the earth.

This is a catch all blessing used by Jews for over 2500 years that begins a meal which includes bread.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-09-05 10:50 PM
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2. It's also used in the Great Thanksgiving in eucharist.
Edited on Tue Aug-09-05 10:51 PM by RevCheesehead
So, I'd have to agree. It's a meal prayer of gratitude. :)

edit to add: prayer is not necessarily spoken. Actions speak louder than words.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:06 PM
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3. Yet it doesn't say that he said:
"Blessed are You, HaShem, our God, King of the Universe,
who brings forth bread from the earth."

Did he say it silently in his head? Can we really know for sure?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:07 PM
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4. Are all blessings prayers? If it isn't a spoken prayer is it really a
public prayer? What do you guys think?
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:58 AM
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5. I can't speak for ya'll
but the phrase "and blessed and broke them" has a very specific connotation amongst Jews. The prayer listed above is one of the oldest traditions in an old religion.

The way I read the passage, keeping in mind that Jesus was an observant Jew, it strongly implies that he said the prayer.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 06:11 PM
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6. Well, he also wasn't orthodox in any mainstream traditional sense
at the time.
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