Jeez Louise!!

[Shell Beau]

I need to come in here from time to time. It can be harsh in other groups!!! :scared:

[Maat]

1. I know what you mean.

Technically, I'm just a non-Christian person of faith (Religious Science), but I support my progressive Christian friends wholeheartedly.

I think that progressives (some of them) can be VERY tough on liberal Christians.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. And what really sucks

is when everyone beats up on you. I'm either too left for majority Christian's or too Christian for other lefties. *sigh* :cry: I guess in some ways I'm just a freakazoid.

[Maat]

21. Group hug ..

:grouphug:

[RevCheesehead]

2. It's been ugly.

Here, have a hug: :hug:

[I_Make_Mistakes]

3. Progressives will never have a problem with True Christians,

the problem is we are the silent majority. Satan, knew what he was doing, by recruiting the RW nut bags! Thanks for your support and come to the haven here. We love pretty much everyone, but we don't have to put up with their crap!

[Shell Beau]

5. But the only thing is we get lumped into one

big group. If you are a Christian, then you are considered a fundie. It is sad really.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. And if you're a liberal or

just a democrat in general you're not a true Christian. :(

[Shell Beau]

4. Thanks!!

I wandered over into a group I never go in!! Whew! It was tough, but I stood my ground!! :hug:

[KitchenWitch]

6. Although I am not a Christian

I can discern the difference between a true Christian and a Fundie Nutbag.

:hi:

[Shell Beau]

7. Thanks! There is a huge difference! Hypocrisy

being the main one IMO!!! :hi:

[shrike]

8. Trouble is

If we're not shouting from the rooftops, every day, every hours, then we're "enabling," or "silent."

I rarely participate in any religious discussions on DU because one gets tired of being told one is an idiot -- or that one believes in a being on par with the Easter Bunny, Santa, etc.; that one has not "grown up yet" until one casts off the shackles of belief.

[Shell Beau]

9. Yep, you just can't win!!

Oh well! I don't have a problem with what others believe, why do others have a problem with what I believe? :shrug:

[elshiva]

10. Amen, shrike!

Tired of all that crap. Like there is no room for an adult experience of God's love, like that feeling has to be lumped in with Santa? It is so annoying...

[I_Make_Mistakes]

11. One has to take reflection of their hatred toward Christianity

(fundies included). Look to reasons, if you visit spiritual boards, so many were turned off to God, because of false teachings they were taught. I would say that a great number of Christian haters were actually brought up in so-called Christian homes. Remember, reformed fill-in the blank are the most radical of all.

When they thought they were rebelling against God (not the false teachings), they felt they made the break. Many, take long walk abouts (some can be years and years) and eventually find a Church that fills their cup.

If you are truly a Christian and your Church tells you to support a Govt. that tramples the poor in money and spirit, infirmed, etc., how can you reconcile that with "Love your neighbor".

Once again, this is the fill-in the blank fundamentalists of fill-in the blank religion, vs. the true followers of the spirit of the word, not the letter of the law!

[elshiva]

12. What do you mean by fill in the blank religion?

[I_Make_Mistakes]

13. It's not just Christianity, Islam, Hindu etc. They have the same

problems, with having fundamentalist groups that want to hate anyone that is not like them. I personally believe, that there are just hateful people, who look to religion to fulfill that hatred through.

edit: The first reformed fill-in the blank is ex. smokers who quit are the most ardent anti smokers. My dad was the rudest smoker I have ever known. He used to force his employees to sit across from him in a meeting and blow right into their faces without any respect for them (did I mention he smoked 3-4 packs a day?).

I smoke and have always been respectful of anyone around me. If I am in a non-smokers house and they say it is ok to smoke there I still go outside.

He now, offers me money to quit and comments all the time about how bad it is for me. I get that, but it is ridiculous to constantly harp on it and comment on it, and God, I only smoke 1 pack/day.

[RevCheesehead]

14. Yup. Ugly.

But the mods are on top of things today. Kudos to them.

[Name removed]

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[RevCheesehead]

18. I think I'm going to be sick.

Now you understand why I never, ever, ever go there anymore.

I'll never understand why some people are compelled to live in so much anger. It's like their life-purpose to spread it around until everyone is filled with hate.

Screw that. Life is too short to be so angry, and frankly, I don't need that shit messing up my life. I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince a group of narrow-minded people about anything.

I just wonder this: are all atheists this angry, or just the ones here? Doesn't really set a good example, does it?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

20. There are fine people like ulysses and Az who know how to

be atheists without getting snarky about people with different opinions.

[GreenPartyVoter]

22. I don't know. It's so frustrating. because I think I am clsoer in many

ways to atheists than to fundies, but the atheists won't hear me out on how or why. And then they are out to convert me to not believing. They proselytize every bit as bad as the fundies do!

[Maat]

24. I've been wondering about this myself, Rev (n/t).

[Maat]

23. Yes, that was the thread that upset me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x38835 .

Above is the updated link - the mods moved it, apparently.

I picked up damaging beliefs when I was growing up in a conservative church; I recognize the same remnants in others. But if one is angry at a hardright fundamentalist belief sytem, the answer is not to obsessively reject God. At least my answer wasn't that. My answer was to find I belief system whose existence I could celebrate. I'm happy to go to my church every Sunday - it is an uplifting learning experience. Maybe the displaced anger has to work itself out in a productive way. Maybe a few atheists need to resolve a deep-seated conflict within themselves - and find a place and belief system that fits.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. I know how you feel

*sigh* :hug: :(

[More Than A Feeling]

25. I feel like it shouldn't matter what the particulars of our religions are

as long as we are on the same side politically on the vast majority of things. :hug:

[FreedomAngel82]

30. That's one of the great things I love about being a democrat

My religion doesn't matter unlike with the RNC/republicans. I can have any faith I want and for the most part democrats could care less. We're all working on the same goal for our country.

[realisticphish]

26. My philosophy is:

dude, relax. Why don't other people embrace this :shrug:
I recently had to delete a good friend from my IM program because he kept calling me a "spreader of ignorance" and "carrying the torch for the death of reason." And all i said was i believe in god, and a stripped-down christianity. as i said: dude, relax...

[GOPBasher]

27. Isn't it crazy?

Some ultra atheist fundamentalists -- by which I mean, they hate people who disagree with them and believe in God -- are just as bad as Christian fundamentalists. There's nothing worse or more dangerous than people who think, "If you don't agree with me on religion, you're awful."

[RevCheesehead]

28. Yeah, and the irony of it is...

that either one would be furious if you equated them with the other camp. Intolerance knows no bounds.

[GOPBasher]

29. Yeah, that's true. n/t

[Wapsie B]

31. Yes it sure can.

Religion is looked on with disdain by some on the Left and it doesn't have to be that way. Some will automatically equate Christian with conservative fundie. That's due in part to the right controlling the message and shaping the very definition of the word Christian. This needs to change.