Question... the discovery of the Gospel of Judas ..LINK>..begs me to ask this question

[sam sarrha]

if the new finding are real...if Jesus fabricated the completion of a Prophesy.. to fulfill that prophesy.. was the Prophesy actually fulfilled.. is it a natural unavoidable thing.. or can you manipulate it into reality.

does a prophesy have to be fulfilled as a natural flow of events ..or can someone like our stupid president start Armageddon and the end of civilization as we know it.. and if that really isn't a real fulfilling of prophesy does the catastrophic suffering have to happen naturally unadulterated anyway ..

so my question is... if one can not initiate the fulfillment of Prophesy and have it be 'Actually Fulfilled'... what does that make Jesus.. a charlatan, someone with the best of intension's.. but not the son of god..?? has centuries of faith in Christianity all for not, is it still real, or has it never been real.

[Critters2]

1. The Gospel of Judas seems to have been written too late to be authoritative

This is true of most of the Gnostic gospels, so I never understand why people are so interested in them.

And your question is better suited to the R/T forum, imo.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. "fabricated the completion of a Prophesy"? Where does it say that?

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

:shrug:

In fact, I'm rather unclear on the meaning of a few of your sentences.

Is your question this: "If Jesus DID tell Judas to betray him; AND if such telling was a manipulation of the course of the natural unfolding of history; AND if such manipulation of history goes against the method of how 'prophesy' is supposed to be fulfilled; THEN, does that mean that Jesus is not the son of God/Messiah/Christ?"?

If that's your question, then the answer is "No", because we can know that Jesus telling Judas to betray is somehow a manipulation of events? How do we know that's not the natural order of things?

And even so, the question belies a misunderstanding of the prophetic books of the Old Testament; which are not prophetic in the sense of offering an absolutel and non-ambiguous blueprint to the future, but are prophetic in the sense of speaking to the conditions of the current day and offering "this will happen if we don't stop doing such and such", AND at times offering messianic hope for the future ("the people will see a great light" and "a child shall lead them" and "the lion shall sleep with the lamb" and so on), but never on a trackable or predictable timeline. It's all nebulous.

So, if that wasn't your question, then please restate your question, because I obviously didn't understand it.