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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:06 PM
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The First Noble Truth - The Truth of Suffering
Edited on Mon May-12-08 11:14 PM by mtf80123
Following phrases are free for common distribution. The full text can be located at:

http://www.buddhanet.net/4noble.htm

Here I only introduce the basic teachings of this Holy text. I truly hope that others will chime in willingly and thoughtfully. Together maybe we can explore the Universe and the true nature of reality together.

The teachings of the Four Noble Truths are Universal and truly profound. Here is a very basic excerpt of the teaching of the First Noble Truth:


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"Suffering or dukkha is the most common bond we all share. Everybody everywhere suffers. Human beings suffered in the past, in ancient India; they suffer in modern Britain; and in the future, human beings will also suffer, and all other living beings in this world.

What do we have in common with Queen Elizabeth? - we suffer. With a tramp on a Charing Cross, what do we have in common? - suffering. It includes all levels from the most privileged human beings to the most desperate and underprivileged ones, and all ranges in between. Everybody everywhere suffers. It is a bond we have with each other, something we all understand.

When we talk about our human suffering, it brings out our compassionate tendencies. But when we talk about our opinions, about what I think and what you think about politics and religion, then we can get into wars."


THE FIRST NOBLE TRUTH

What is the Noble Truth of Suffering?

Birth is suffering, aging is suffering, sickness is suffering, disasociation from the loved is suffering, not to get what one wants is suffering: in short the five categories affected by clinging are suffering.

There is this Noble Truth of Suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.

This Noble Truth must be penetrated by fully understanding suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.

This Noble Truth has been penetrated by fully understanding suffering: such was the vision, insight, wisdom, knowing and light that arose in me about things not heard before.



The First Noble Truth with its three aspects is: "There is suffering, dukkha. Dukkha SHOULD be understood. Dukkha HAS been understood."

This is a very skilful teaching because it is expressed in a simple formula which is easy to remember, and it also applies to everything that you can possibly experience or do or think concerning the past, the present or the future.

Suffering or dukkha is the common bond we all share. Everybody everywhere suffers. Human beings suffered in the past, in ancient India; they suffer in modern Britain; and in the future, human beings will also suffer. What do we have in common with Queen Elizabeth? - we suffer. With a tramp in Charing Cross, what do we have in common? - suffering. It includes all levels from the most privileged human beings to the most desperate and underprivileged ones, and all ranges in between. Everybody everywhere suffers. It is a bond we have with each other, something we all understand.

When we talk about our human suffering, it brings out our compassionate tendencies. But when we talk about our opinions, about what I think and what you think about politics and religion, then we can get into wars.

I remember seeing a film in London about ten years ago. It tried to portray Russian people as human beings by showing Russian women with babies and Russian men taking their children out for picnics. At the time, this presentation of the Russian people was unusual because most of the propaganda of the West made them out to be titanic monsters or cold-hearted, reptilian people - and so you never thought of them as human beings. If you want to kill people, you have to make them out to be that way; you cannot very well kill somebody if you realise they suffer the way you do. You have to think that they are cold-hearted, immoral, worthless and bad, and that it is better to get rid of them. You have to think that they are evil and that it is good to get rid of evil. With this attitude, you might feel justified in bombing and machine-gunning them. If you keep in mind our common bond of suffering, that makes you quite incapable of doing those things.

The First Noble Truth is not a dismal metaphysical statement saying that everything is suffering. Notice that there is a difference between a metaphysical doctrine in which you are making a statement about. The Absolute and a Noble Truth which is a reflection. A Noble Truth is a truth to reflect upon; it is not an absolute; it is not The Absolute. This is where Western people get very confused because they interpret this Noble Truth as a kind of metaphysical truth of Buddhism - but it was never meant to be that.

~ Ajahn Sumedho


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Reply to this message thread please. We can discuss and discover what Happiness truly is. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.
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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 12:07 AM
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1. 5by5 - where are you?
Edited on Tue May-13-08 12:12 AM by mtf80123
I believe I am ready for that converation on Suffering you and I talked about at least 2 years ago. I would truly love to hear from you.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:20 PM
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2. You would have
better luck getting responses in the astrology/spirituality and Healing forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=245
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:27 PM
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3. I agree.
:hi:

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mtf80123 Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:59 PM
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4. edit: Buddhism is a Unique path... not a fairy tail.
Edited on Sat May-31-08 10:23 PM by mtf80123
It is a study of the mind.

Buddhism is deffinitely a "Unique Path". It has nothing to do with "Astrology and Alternative Healing". Spells and Invocations I can do without. The True Nature of Reality fits nicely within the label of this forum.

The study of the mind is the true path.

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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:35 PM
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5. You're right that this is the more apropos forum.
I think that the suggestion of the other forum was because there are more people and more discussion there. They have fairly wide-ranging interests over there.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 01:25 PM
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6. I agree and for same reason. nt
There are also some buddhists who hang out in Religon/Theology.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:55 PM
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7. Put on your flame-retardant suit and a thick skin before venturing to R/T. nt
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