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Fleurs du Mal Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 05:00 PM
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NYT - "Minds of Their Own: Birds Gain Respect"
Edited on Wed Feb-02-05 05:52 PM by Fleurs du Mal
Very interesting article in the Times yesterday that I just got around to:

"Birdbrain has long been a colloquial term of ridicule. The common notion is that birds' brains are simple, or so scientists thought and taught for many years. But that notion has increasingly been called into question as crows and parrots, among other birds, have shown what appears to be behavior as intelligent as that of chimpanzees.

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Today, in the journal Nature Neuroscience Reviews, an international group of avian experts is issuing what amounts to a manifesto. Nearly everything written in anatomy textbooks about the brains of birds is wrong, they say. The avian brain is as complex, flexible and inventive as any mammalian brain, they argue, and it is time to adopt a more accurate nomenclature that reflects a new understanding of the anatomies of bird and mammal brains."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/01/science/01bird.html?oref=login&incamp=article_popular_3
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 05:39 PM
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1. ounce for ounce some birds are smarter
Edited on Wed Feb-02-05 05:43 PM by amazona
When you look at some of the species of corvids and parrots, you are looking at a brain that is on a level with the larger primates, yet a fraction of the size. It does make you wonder. Alex the African Grey's interviews often seem to be more grammatical than Koko the gorilla's when it comes down to where the rubber meets the road!

P.S. Here is the link- for while it lasts-
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/01/science/01bird.html?oref=login&incamp=article_popular_4

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72


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Fleurs du Mal Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 05:52 PM
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2. lol
I can't believe I forgot the link!! Arggh :argh:
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Stepup2 Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:06 PM
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3. I have a Grey
I can attest to the context of her daily commentary. It is not the parroting, imo, that we have been told these birds do. She uses words that she knows/hears in context all day.

She surprises me daily with new strings of words to engage me. It often surrounds food, but more often it surrounds her exploration of her surroundings and reporting back to me. She whispers, and expresses what I consider a sense of humor about many things. Maybe I am guilty of anthropomorphizing, I have no hard data, but based on the relationship we have, imo, she is demonstrating an acute awareness ie intelligence.

The book titled: The Intelligence of Crows, Ravens, Magpies, and Jays; Bird Brains, by Candace Savage is a fun and very informative book on this topic.



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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 05:03 AM
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4.  Have you read "Has Success Spoiled the Crow?" by

David Quammen? He's a favorite write of mine and this is one of my favorite essays, and about one of my favorite avian species, too:

HAS SUCCESS SPOILED THE CROW?
_____________________________

The Puzzling Case File on the Worlds Smartest Bird


Any person with no steady job and no children naturally finds time for a sizable amount of utterly idle speculation. For instance, me - I've developed a theory about crows. It goes like this:

Crows are bored. They suffer from being too intelligent for their station in life. Respectable evolutionary success is simply not, for these brainy and complex birds, enough. They are dissatisfied with the narrow goals and horizons of that tired old Darwinian struggle. On the lookout for a new challenge. See them there, lined up conspiratorially along a fence rail or a high wire, shoulder to shoulder, alert, self-contained, missing nothing. Feeling...discreetly thwarted. Waiting, like an ambitious understudy, for their break. Dolphins and whales and chimpanzees get all the fawning publicity, great fuss made over their near-human intelligence. But don't be fooled. Crows are not stupid. Far from it. They are merely underachievers. They are bored.

Most likely it runs in their genes, along with the black plumage and the talent for vocal mimicry. Crows belong to a remarkable family of birds known as the Corvidae, also including ravens, magpies, jackdaws, and jays, and the case file on this entire clan is so full of prodigious and quirky behavior that it cries out for interpretation not by an ornithologist but a psychiatrist. Or, failing that, some ignoramus with a supple theory. Computerized ecologists can give us those fancy equations depicting the whole course of a creature's life history in terms of energy allotment to every physical need, with variables for fertility and senility and hunger and motherly love; but they haven't yet programmed in a variable for boredom. No wonder the Corvidae dossier is still packed with unanswered questions.

At first glance, though, all is normal: Crows and their corvid relatives seem to lead an exemplary birdlike existence. The home life is stable and protective. Monogamy is the rule, and most mated pairs stay together until death. Courtship is elaborate, even rather tender, with the male doing a good bit of bowing and dancing and jiving, not to mention supplying his intended with food; eventually he offers the first scrap of nesting material as a sly hint that they get on with it. While she incubates a clutch of four to six eggs, he continues to furnish the groceries, and stands watch nearby at night. Then for a month after hatching, both parents dote on the young. Despite strenuous care, mortality among fledglings is routinely high, sometimes as high as 70 percent, but all this crib death is counterbalanced by the longevity of the adults. Twenty-year-old crows are not unusual, and one raven in captivity survived to age twenty-nine. Anyway, corvids show no inclination toward breeding themselves up to huge numbers, filling the countryside with their kind (like the late passenger pigeon, or an infesting variety of insect) until conditions shift for the worse, and a vast population collapses. Instead, crows and their relatives reproduce at roughly the same stringent rate through periods of bounty or austerity, maintaining levels of population that are modest but consistent, and which can be supported throughout any foreseeable hard times. In this sense they are astute pessimists. One consequence of such modesty of demographic ambition is to leave them with excess time, and energy, not desperately required for survival.

more. . .

http://www.nagual.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=OpenForum&Number=10328&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=11&o=93&fpart=1
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Freebird12004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:02 AM
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5. Ok, I'm on my way to the bookstore again.
after I manage to stop reading post on the "nagual" link.

btw - I share my home with a Grey that speaks over 500 words.
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Freebird12004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 08:06 AM
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6. wonderful book
I never would have guessed about the teen Jays that baby-sit for the younger fledglings.
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