Join Me: John F Kerry-President 2008

[Corey_Baker08]

We, the Democratic Party, and myself as a first time voter in 2008
need John Kerry to be our nominee for the 2008 Election. Think about
it, in the Democratic Primaries we were praying for somebody to take
on George Bush and defeat him,we found more than our nominee, we
found our President. John Kerry then became a very strong voice for
Democrats all across this country. He represented us when times were
rough and fought for us when times were bad.

He was our leader committed to lead us and the rest of this country
into the promise land, and he did. No one even thought he could make
this a close race for Presidency, but he did. He fought for us until
the very end, representing our vision for a better, safer, stronger
more secure America. We may never know if this Election was fairly
won, be we do know that it was equally fought up until the very last
vote.

When John Kerry saw it fit to concede his race for Presidency on
November 3, 2004, he defiantly made a controversial decision. He
was called a trader for not appealing to Election fraud, but look at
him now. He had a plan from the very first second he saw Ohio fall.
Hes now fighting for us and for Election reform so that my first
vote will actually count. Hes continuing the effort to make health
care a right, not a privilege to all Americans. He's defending our
country by refusing to allow a war monger become the next Secretary
of State, John Kerry is fighting for us.

John
Kerry
President
2008

[gater]

1. I think I'll wait and see what happens for a while.

It's good to see you have a dream though!

[Democrat Dragon]

16. agreed

Kerry must EARN his way back into the ticket.

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[itzamirakul]

84. Yes, I am going to wait also...

Right now, I am still trying to get over my extreme disappointment in his early concession. I supported him 100% even though he never really stood up to the Republicans and spent too much time trying to woo some mythical swing voters.

I am looking for a true Progressive left-leaning Liberal. Otherwise, we might as well just be satisfied with a REAL Republican instead of a Republican-lite.

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[electropop]

200. Yeah, we went with the 'safe' choice - a Repub-lite

It should have been a landslide, enough to overcome even W's massive fraud machine. But Kerry wasn't liberal enough to excite the vast liberal majority in this country.

I would have respected him as president, though. But, when Kerry threw in the towel immediately (accepting a fraudulent result), he lost my support permanently. We need somebody stronger to take on the Bush crime family and their minions.

[lilimaj]

87. CRIMES OF THE RIGHT

I just read CRIMES OF THE RIGHT by author HOPE NEWMAN. It is fantastic. I'll call it the Democrats' Bible. Her accounts of BUSH crimes is so real...

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[pauliedee]

101. Kerry is a GREAT man!!

There's nothing to wait for... the fight is NOT over....We have unfinished business. Kerry in 2008.

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[electropop]

147. We need a fighter.

The 'pukes _will_ rig the election again, and this time we need someone who will actually stand and fight the theft, rather than slink away.

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[electropop]

157. After all, that's how Kerry plays it when they attack or cheat.

:hide:

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[Adelante]

2. Couldn't possibly

I wish you well, though :hi:

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[Karenca]

7. are you having fun here yet

Virus?

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[pauliedee]

128. Kerry won popular vote in swing states

will win in 08 :yourock:

[Blue Shark]

154. and walk away again?...No THANKS!

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[saskatoon]

198. no thanks

me too. We need someone not as gentlemanly as kerry. WE Need a Fighter! You have to fight fire with fire and we need a Dean type next time.

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[NMDemDist2]

3. i'm with ya n/t

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[BamaLefty]

4. Kerry '08

I would be more than happy to support John Kerry in 2008. I think he is a brilliant man and excellent leader, and that is exactly what America needs.

KERRY '08

[Warpy]

10. Caveats

He'd have to get rid of the DLC lobbyists turned campaign handlers turned back into lobbyists, preferably sending them all packing to whatever hellholes they originated from.

He'd have to embrace the economic populism that has won offices for the party in the past and dump the corporatism and antilabor stance of the DLC.

He'd have to show some interest in addressing the needs of the working class over the needs of the corporate, which includes rethinking that health care proposal which would do little beyond leaving the insurance giants in the catbird seat and far too many Americans uninsured.

He's also going to have to start fighting for election reform, and the sooner the better. The DLC has already ignored election fraud for over four years with disastrous consequences.

The time has long passed when business as usual will appeal to anyone but a few yuppies with consciences. It certainly does not appeal to me.

[pauliedee]

116. Kerry instills fear in the repugs!

They do not want to face hima again....trust me!!!!

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[Jo March]

5. I'll be right there with you.

I voted for him on 11/2. Why wouldn't I vote for him again? I liked what he stood for then and how he has carried himself since then.

If anything, he has gotten stronger in my eyes by going to Iraq and by voting 'no' on the Rice confirmation.

Kerry in '08!

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[Sydnie]

8. Yep, Absolutely!

He has my vote even if his name is not officially on the ballot -- I will write him in.

[pauliedee]

104. Me too!!! JK is a hero

JK foght hard for us.... and we'll still fight hard for him!

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[uppityperson]

9. I'm busy trying to block Mr.Bush's bs at present.

Will deal with next election later. Triage time for me. Good luck.

[skylarmae]

11. First, we gotta fix the voting system

or it won't do any good to put anyone's name up. Don't you get it.
We must fix our broken system.

[electropop]

148. It's already been 'fixed'

Now we need to repair it.

[Deja Q]

163. PRECISELY. It must be unbiased and accurate or else nothing matters.

I think the Diebold machines assisted in Bush's 2004 victory, but not to a too great extent. But with that victory will lead them to attempt more come 2006. We must be vigilant for this.

[Eloriel]

12. Hahahah. Surely you jest. Been there, done that.

Watched too many poor Dems "date Dean and marry Kerry" only to be left waiting at the altar, so to speak.

[electropop]

77. We will never win without a fight to count the votes.

Kerry promised, then utterly failed to deliver, a fight to ensure our votes would be counted. This is the only campaign promise that mattered; the rest are moot if you don't take the office you won. I know he couldn't guarantee a victory in the vote fight, but he could have stood up on Jan 6th, and many occasions before that. A quiet "HAVA II" effort is no substitute for the efforts he didn't make (and we did).

[New Earth]

13. i'm with you on that

but i think he is going to have to do some things to earn respect and support back from those who are disappointed in him right now. i think he will.

[doodadem]

14. I agree

Kerry will have some definite fences to mend for me to back him again. I'm thinking he knows that's the way with alot of Dems, and that's why he voted against Condi Rice--to make a show of backbone. I was listening to a guy on Pacifica this morning talking about what a horrible candidate Kerry was, added together with election fraud, we were doomed to fail.
He won't be able to count on the ABB (Anybody But Bush) factor again, which is undoubtedly why he had such a strong showing.

[electropop]

78. He has made his work much harder.

It would not have been terribly difficult for him to stand up on that cold day, January 6th, when we stood by the Capitol, hoping our party wouldn't desert us. What can he do now to demonstrate real courage? I don't know, but at a minimum he will have to be on TV a lot, talking about the fraud, and admitting he should have spoken up sooner.

[eg101]

15. no thanks

No more Plutocrats for me, thanks

[OneBlueSky]

17. ditto . . . both Kerry and Gore have a common tag . . .

they're both losers . . . we need to go outside Washington and find a new face with new ideas . . . Robert Redford, anyone? . . .

[eg101]

19. so many DUers think that the only viable candidates are politicians!

I mean, it is like they just regurgitate whatever it is that the elite media pundits say!

[seito]

22. Do ya think so?

Gore won in 2000, and * was selected by the Supreme Court.

Kerry won in 2004 and ** was selected by Diebold and Co.

JMHO

[Donald Ian Rankin]

160. I agree with you

that Gore would have won in 2000 if the votes had been counted accurately, but I've never been convinced by the arguments that Kerry could have overturned 2004 - there may well have been improprieties, but not, I think, on the scale of the announced majority.

[MellowOne]

44. They both got the shaft!! They're not losers!

If we had honest elections, Gore would probably be our president right now. And Kerry won this election. Gore and Kerry both won their elections.

Did you hear the boos for Kerry at the Inauguration? Just imagine what he would hear if he had contested the election. Every paper out there would write aricles about sour grapes, sore loser, get over it and all that crap.

Kerry made the right decision about not contesting the vote. He was over a barrel, damned if he did and damned if he didn't

The Democratic party should make it up to both Kerry and Gore for being denied their right to the presidency.

KERRY/GORE 08

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[wisteria]

18. Kerry 2008

I'm with you! I donated money and did ground work for him. I would do it all over again if he decides to run in 2008. He has a lot to offer our country if given the opportunity. John Kerry is not a loser,51% of our fellow Americans elected the real loser.

[HootieMcBoob]

20. He's a great Senator and could have been a great President but...

I don't think so. He's the wrong package. We need a progressive candidate who fits both the "strict father" frame and the "nurturing parent" frame and as far as I can see there's only one person who can do that and that's Wesley Clark. I'm putting all my eggs in his basket. I'll not have anything to do with Kerry's attempt at another run. I'm not going to re-hash all of the mistakes and missed opportunities again - lets just say he had his chance. Now it's time for a new Democratic Party and a new Democratic candidate.

[Ken Burch]

21. Changes he'd need to make to pull it off

1)Find a concise, clear way of speaking and STICK WITH IT.
2)Let the Convention be a mobilization of progressive forces, not
a BLAND, SCRIPTED BIOPIC.

3)Discredit the Swift Boaters(if he's, back, we know they'll be back)
AND NOW, NOW, NOW!
(corollary: get a good, tough Clinton-type "rapid response" team in place A.S.A.P.)

4)If Ralph runs, DON'T WASTE MONEY KEEPING HIM OFF BALLOTS. Negotiate with the guy(or any other strong third-party progressive candidate that emerges)and commit to an electoral reform program
AS A PRIORITY. Democrats need to embrace IRV as a SURVIVAL MECHANISM.

5)NO WINDSURFING, NO SNOWBOARDING. NO HUNTING COSTUMES.
(sports alternative: Maybe he could get Teddy and the next generation to instruct him in full-contact Kennedy style touch football. And jogging would be okay, especially if he's up against Jeb, who's a bit of a porker.)

[ImADeanDem]

32. He didn't listen to any of this advice the first time around

What makes you think he'd listen to it next time? I'm not willing to gamble my country on the hope that maybe he's "learned his lesson."

[Ken Burch]

49. I'm not certain that he WILL listen this time

But I just thought I'd once again put this out there on the off chance that he might.

[DoYouEverWonder]

39. Kerry has proof

that the Bush Campaign and Swift Boat Vets violated the 527 statutes.

In August 2004, I personally handed the Kerry campaign the contracts for the Pro America Rally that supposedly was a Swift Boat Vets event, was actually owned and operated by the Bush/Cheney Campaign and the Alachua Co Rep Exec Committee.

I will never understand why Kerry continues to let these a-holes get away with their crap.

[Ken Burch]

62. Kerry's had the goods on the Swifties since AUGUST and he didn't bust 'em?

Now that you know that, Corey, do you STILL think we should renominate the guy?

[bettyellen]

23. I haven't met one person in RL that thinks Kerry should run again.

(except Faye, but I met her from DU, so I'm not sure that counts.)
In fact everybody gets this sneer and starts shaking their heads. It's uncanny. I've started to work his name into conversations just so that I can see the reaction. So far, he's ten for ten.

[Vektor]

29. BettyEllen, what's RL? n/t

[ImADeanDem]

33. RL=Real Life (as opposed to online) eom

[Vektor]

45. Ah ok!

Makes sense...I am still learning some of the lingo.
Thanks!

[pauliedee]

102. I got John Kerry's back!!!

Well I got his back BIGTIME!!! He's the MAN!!!

[Laurab]

24. I think I'll wait til '08

There's a whole lot of work to be done before then. That being said, I didn't really start out being a big fan of JK's. I started out as an "anyone but *" person. The more I watched and listened to Kerry, the more I liked him. I think we'll see him on the frontlines of the battle to win back our democracy. Until we do that, it won't matter who runs.

I think we're in for quite a battle, myself, and somewhere down the line, I think his fraudness is going to be revealed for what he is, with some help from JK. I want to watch.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

25. Four years is a long time...

The Dem candidate will have to EARN my vote this next time. I have always voted Democratic in the presidential elections out of party loyalty, but that wil not happen in 2008.

If the Dems as a party and a candidate in particular has not put forth a 100% effort to oppose Bush and protect us from his most disasterous plans, then I will cast a third party protest vote.

I am a liberal, feminists, environmentalist, pro-worker Democrat and the DNC and eventual Democratic presidential candidate will have to work just as hard to get my vote as they did to get the moderate GOP votes last election.

[Beth in VT]

26. He was a weak candidate from the get-go.

He had the worst president in history and a cornucopia of material to work with handed to him on a silver platter - the Dems should have been able to mount a stronger offensive.

[ImADeanDem]

34. My thoughts exactly!

IMO, it took a REALLY bad candidate to lose the headstart he had just by being "Anybody But Bush."

[Patchuli]

50. I think he was too classy

for the dirty tricks, no holds bar set, Bush/Rove, Inc.

[pauliedee]

105. Kerry almost overcame huge disadvantage

He may have had the worst president in history, but Bush had a 6 year headstart in cash, the media and Rove machinery and a wartime incumbency....whereas Gore squandered a great setup, prosperity and blew it. Kerry also steamrolled Boy George in the debates while Gore lost to him.

[PresidentObama]

27. JohnKerryForAmerica.com-- Kerry 2008

I own JohnKerryForAmerica.com, we are a grassroots operation to draft President Kerry. Kerry 2008 all the way!

[Vektor]

30. That's a nice site!

Just checked it out and signed the petition. Thanks for your efforts!

[pauliedee]

103. Count me in!!!!!!!!!!

Count me in!!!!!!!!!! He will be a great president!

[Vektor]

28. Corey, I admire your chutzpah!

Talk of JK can prompt a flamefest from a lot of people - but not me. I'll back you!

[ImADeanDem]

31. No one thought he could make it a close race?

I disagree! I think a lot of people thought that the anti-Bush sentiment was strong enough that "Anybody But Bush" would win -- so that's who we chose in the primaries -- "Anybody But Bush." We gambled, and we lost badly. That's not going to happen next time around. I want a candidate I can feel excited about supporting, not just someone who's better than the alternative.

[LittleClarkie]

41. But anybody was "anybody but Bush"

And I agree. If you're not excited, then go where you're excited. The negativity of the ABB was not that helpful. Kerry got "Dole'd" to some extent because of that.

Don't try to support someone you don't support. It's infinitely harder to convince someone to vote for a candidate you don't even believe in.

I on the other hand dig Kerry no end. I will be there, complete with bells.

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. No thanks. No way. No how. I'll actively work against this.

And I say this as one who worked actively for him in 2004.

[EightMenO]

118. me too, mrs grumpy

[Vanje]

121. I'll bet

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[Connie_Corleone]

36. Let him stay in the senate.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

[car54whereareyou]

93. It's nice to see him

taking his role as a senator more seriously. He needs to stand up and be counted if he is serious about running again.

[azndndude]

37. No Thanks!

[Rosco T.]

38. There is one good thing about Kerry running again in 2008...

... the neonazi's unloaded ALL THEY HAD against him, it was all thoroughly debunked...

AND THEY STILL HAD TO CHEAT TO WIN.

There's nothing more to throw at him, if they start the same old song/dance.. throw back the debunking RIGHT THEN.

I heard somewhere that Kerry was already going to sue the Swifties.. get that over with quick.

Instant response is already there for anything they dredge back up.

In the back of my mind, I wonder if this wasn't the "plan b" all along..

They expected the neonazi's to cheat, thought they could go around them, then once they say how WIDESPREAD the fraud was.. back off, be gracious.. then then let the 'thugs sink in their own swill....

Spend the next 2/4 years to expose them and fight them on every turn... methinks Kerry will be a thorn in their side every chance possible..

Maybe in '06 we retake the house and the impeachment begins (even if it can't get thru the senate, the TRIAL will expose everything possible...) and by '08 there isn't a Rethuglican party LEFT...

[LittleClarkie]

40. There with bells on

Yessiree Bob.

[Walt Starr]

42. I don't go in for double dipping

Sorry.

[Darkhawk32]

59. It's not like it's unprecedented. Look what Nixon did. n/t

[ISUGRADIA]

43. Uh...NO

"No one even thought he could make this a close race for Presidency, but he did."

Good god, he was even with Bush from after the Iowa Caucuses on. He pissed this race away using failed DC insiders like Schrum to run his campaign and didn't even spend the money he had. He got Dukakised by the Swift Boat losers and never recovered from the impression they set in many people minds.

[Extremeleftwing]

46. No way

I like Kerry, don't get me wrong, but he isn't what I have in mind. I mean, he lost, but we all know that the election was basically stolen by the Republicans. I think that someone like Michael Moore is the best choice. His movies have proven that he is very popular. I know that some conservative media types have wanted to run in the past. Look at Ahhnold. Moore would be just why the party needs to unify its base.

I don't know if Edwards would be interested in running as VP again, but I think that he would be perfect for the job.

[yojon]

47. you're kidding, right?

JK won the 2004 election but didnt have the balls to follow though. Why support him again?

[Eloriel]

48. No way in hell. I can't imagine what he'd have to do to gain my trust

again. Hell, I didn't trust him this time, and my instincts were totally dead on.

[pauliedee]

106. Kerry still strong

Your instincts are dead wrong. Kerry is as trustworthy as it gets. He's never broken his word. Remember is his convention speech...

"And that starts by telling the Truth to the American People!!"

"I will restore trust and credibility to the White House"

How quickly you forgot...

[libertypirate]

51. Hey until you pull the lever in 2008....

get you hands dirty finding the details to put some of these rat bastards in the cross hairs.

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[quisp]

52. no thanks...

and I'm even taking the Kerry sticker off my car after leaving it on after the sElection.

Let him stay in the Senate.

Let's put up someone who can win like John Edwards or Mark Warner.

[New Earth]

53. Kerry did win

:hi:

[d_b]

54. Did Kerry speak on the senate floor yesterday (or today)?

I can't seem to find a transcript of any kind.

[New Earth]

55. i think he was scheduled to

but for some reason it didn't happen, not sure why.

[Dark]

56. Do you want to lose again? n/t

[New Earth]

58. "we" didn't lose.

[Streetdoc270]

57. I think that the fact of a 44% presidential approval rating

should show us that even though 56% of Americans don't like how Bush is running the country they still would rather have him over Kerry.

This should tell us that our canidate was not as strong as he needed to be and we should shop around for a better one.

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[paineinthearse]

61. Just got an invitation

to a reception for John and Teresa in Boston next Friday. I'm psyched!

[Zebulon]

63. I vote "no"

We need fresh blood, not a retread.

[New Earth]

64. Corey, i'm sorry

but you are not going to find much support in these forums for Kerry other than the John Kerry Group. you are welcome to come over and chat with us if you like. it is a very friendly bunch and they are huge Kerry fans.

it's quite sad that i can't even attempt to go into some of the forums here b/c of the sh*t that is spewed about Kerry. it is getting very old.

but you are asking the wrong people. they are very dissatisfied with Kerry here.

Hope to see you in the Kerry forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=273

[DaedelusNemo]

65. I see some serious points against Kerry ... with no answers given. /nt

[njdemocrat106]

66. I'm still a fan of Kerry

I think he was a great candidate, and even though I liked almost all of the candidates in the primary, I wanted Kerry to win the nomination and was glad that he did win. To you people who say they won't support Kerry in '08, if he wins the party's nomination again and goes up against someone like Jeb or Frist, would you really vote for a 3rd party candidate who has zero chance of winning, or would you flat out refuse to vote, or (gasp) vote for the Republican? I know you people here are of all political persuasions (moderate, fairly liberal, far-left liberal, socialist), but I first and foremost indentify myself as a Democrat, that also just happens to lean to the left. No, I am not a big fan of so called DINOs like Feinstein or Lieberman, but I still have a billion times more respect for them than most Republicans. In 2008, I will vote for and support the Democratic slate for President on Election Day, unless for some strange reason Zell Miller gets the nomination (who IMO is a traitor, just like all the other Republicans and conservatives who care more about personal wealth and riches than the people they serve).

[PresidentObama]

67. Blame Yourself, Not Kerry

These people voting no are the same ones who said Gore is a loser after he lost, yet Gore is one of the frontrunners to run in 2008. They need a scapegoat for the Democratic parties faults in this election, and so they blame it on Senator John Kerry. News flash, Kerry isn't the only Democrat who lost on November 2nd. Democrats lost badly on November 2nd, not just John Kerry. Yeah Kerry's to blame for his campaigns lose, but he ran a good clean campaign.He raised more money then ever, energizied the Democratic party, and garnished a impressive 55 milion votes. Bush just got more, so now we have to plan ahead, and plan for 2008. While were still energizied. And why are we energizied? Because of John Kerry....

KERRY 2008!!!!

[HeyManThatsCool]

70. I beg to differ. WE energized the party

Kerry was a lukewarm candidate at best. We made alot of excuses for his lack of vision.

IMHO you can't re-write history. It is what it is. Kerry got as far as he did because so many of US were hot under the collar for change.

Don't fool yourself- same thing would have happened to anyone who won the primary. Alot of what happened was Anybody But Bush enthusiasm.

[pauliedee]

107. Kerry a GREAT leader

Any people who bash Kerry should be ashamed. You are the reason we lost. He had a wartime incumbent to go against and then you idiots threatening to vot efor Nader. Wake up! Don't blame John Kerry. Kerry ran a good clean campaign with a two gaffes and a delayed response to smears. Otherwise he kicked some serious ass!! He raised more money then ever, energizied the Democratic party, and garnished a impressive 55 million votes. He flattened Bush in the debates and made a very inspiring convention speech. Furethermore, his policies and healthcare plan are exactly what we need. Now we have to plan for 2008.

JOHN KERRY 2008 is a dream come true!!!!

[sundancekid]

68. there's NO second chance to make a FIRST impression - no thanks

political history's trash cans are full of losers -- IIRC, the one that ran again successfully after losing the 1st time ended up having to resign what he had won because of Watergate -- but now, some 30 years later, there's no room for re-threads -- I can hear the commercials already (yup, i voted FOR the $87 b4 i voted against it ... etc.)

[Mass]

138. That explains why American presidents are so bad

Most other countries actually understand that the basic of politics is to let a political man become known to the nation.

Actually, the Republicans do too, and when they choose a governor, at least he is from a large state.

Only the Democrats think that selecting a governor from a small state is going to make it, and that because they selected one the two times the Republican party collapsed.

[karynnj]

144. Nixon's Watergate problem was not related to his winning in 68

There are many reasons that might be valid, but arguing that the last person to win after losing, later ended up disgraced because he broke he law 4 yrs later is not sensible. If Kerry followed in Nixon's footsteps in winning after losing, Kerry would still be the honorable, moral man he's been his whole life.

One real question is whether the fact that he is a known quantity is a plus or minus. It may come down to whether he can convert more people than he might lose to the other side. The entire issue becomes a moot point though if a new candidate comes along and excites a large part of the Democratic primary voters.

[HeyManThatsCool]

69. A definite no for me.

I am going to throw all my energy against making sure he doesn't even get through that set of primaries.

We need a REAL leader- with REAL balls (not to be crass) who will FIGHT when NEEDED. That Swift Boat shit should have gone down in flames, but he decided he needed to be "classy" about it. Bad decision.

He also needed to do ALTO more about the voting issues. He didn't & we're paying for it now.

I'm not saying that John Kerry is a bad man. What I'm saying is I wont make the same mistake twice.

The very same issues that popped up in 2004 will reappear in 2008. I'm not interested in Swift Vets Part Deux, Duck Hunting & Windsurfing Jokes Redux... Just not into it.

The Rethugs & their media pals filleted Kerry- & Kerry let them. I don't have the slightest interest in seeing that happen again.

We need fresh blood to reinvigorate this party. I dont know who it is, or where they are.... but they ARE out there. I know who it IS NOT though- It isn't Kerry, Clinton, Biden, Lieberman or even Gore.

[PresidentObama]

71. C'mon guys...Heres Why I support Kerry. Just Read!

Nixon and Reagan both lost their first bids for the Presidency, and they later became President. I'm sick in tired of this "you lose, your done" policy. John Kerry has been fighting for America for 20 years. 19 years Foreign relations committee, broke party lines to balance the budget, joined with John McCain to find out the truth about POWs/MIAs, decisive vote to create 23 million jobs, and is now working on getting 11 million children healthcare. He wasn't a bad candidate. He ran a good campaign. America doesn't like Bush, but they weren't going to switch Presidents during a war if the candidate was Howard Dean or anyone else.

John Kerry wasn't given a fair election, or a fair chance. Are you saying in 2008, if he wins the nomination. Which I'll be pushing for the next three years every single day, you wouldn't vote for him? I think so. He's a true fighter, and when he's down he'll come back again. Look at his campaign in 1996, when you think he's down and out he comes out swinging.

John Kerry will run in 2008, I know he will. You know he will. And I know he'll tell Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Evan Bayh, Wes Clark, or who ever runs what he told Bush: bring it on! I'll continue the fight for John Kerry, and I hope you all will too.

[HeyManThatsCool]

72. I agree with some of what you have to say, however...

Nixon & Reagan (IMHO) are both perfect examples of men who SHOULD NOT have gone on to run again & become President.

I don't believe in the "You lose, your done" policy. In fact, had Gore run in 2004, I would have supported him. My choice to withdraw Gore support came when he endorsed another candidate during the Primaries... before having the courtesy to tell Joe Lieberman. Just four years before Joe had been a good enough choice for Vice President, the 2nd most important job in the country. In 2004 Gore didnt behave in an honorable way toward Lieberman, & I fault him for that decision.

Granted, I agreed that supporting Lieberman was pointles- but, I would have liked to see Al do the right thing.


The fact that Kerry "lost" is really just the epilogue to the campaign. Let's face it- there were many, many scenarios in which Kerry could have kicked the crap out of Bush. But he and his advisors chose to walk "the high road". I know many people think that was admirable; I am not one of them. I think it was stupid & short sighted. When he CHOSE to run against GWB & that corrupt machine, he KNEW what he was up against. We all did! Yet time and again Kerry allowed himself to be pummeled & backed into a corner. I don't think he was the ideal candidate, & I dont think he will be in 2008.


Everyone is entitled to choose their candidate. I am sure John Kerry has alot of good works left to do for his country. However, I do not believe he will ever do it as President. To put it bluntly, that ship has sailed.

[PresidentObama]

73. Your entitled to your opinion, but I don't think that ship has sailed

[marc_the_dem]

83. I'd vote for him

watch Going Up River..... It might make yo a Kerry die hard too.

[Egnever]

159. Are you saying in 2008, if he wins the nomination.....

No I wouldnt no way no how if dems are foolish enough to put that fake horse back up again I will vote republican to spite them.

Kerry is worthless a mediocre senator at best there is no fire left in him.

To beat these goons you need someone willing to go head on with them. Kerry just doesnt have the intestinal fortitude he showed that clearly this past round.

[radio4progressives]

74. Never Again! n/t

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[ClayZ]

79. ELECTION FRAUD

Joseph Stalin who is reputed to have said "those who vote determine nothing; those who count the vote determine everything".

Karma is coming!

[Avalux]

76. Sorry, no.

I did not support Kerry in the 2004 primary but I got behind him 100% when he received the nomination.
My support will be with Wesley Clark in 2008. Of course if Kerry somehow manages to get the nomination again, I will vote for him. Can't say I'll work my ass off for him again though. Fool me once.....

[Rockholm]

80. I'll Take A Pass On This One.

I will keep hima a ONE of my Senators, but no thanks on him running again.

[EST]

81. No, thank you.

n/t

[eridani]

82. Diebold stole Georgia in 2002

Kerry and the rest of the Dems flat out refused to take this seriously. NO ONE who does not prioritize voting reform will get my support.

[nomaco-10]

85. NO WAY......

The democratic party is at a crucial crossroad and John Kerry does not possess the the kind of visionary thinking that we need.

"He's defending our country by refusing to allow a war monger becoming the next Secretary of State, John Kerry is fighting for us". (end of quote).

Puleeze! John Kerry voted for the IWR and you can't get any more "warmongering" than that. And who can forget the now infamous "Grand Canyon" fiasco. We need leadership that can restore our party's core values without being compromised by big money and corporate interests.

If Howard Dean manages to pull off the DNC chairmanship with so many "moderates" working furiously behind the scenes to squelch his bid, then we might, just might have a chance to restore our once great party to it's former glory and respect. The Zell Millers and Joe Lieberman's need to go once and for all and our party needs to return to the basic values that made us the party of the people not the party of "Vote for me, I'm just like bush*, but only better.

[Krinkov]

86. count me out

not to shit all over your sincere affinity for the man, i just dont feel the same way.

I've never liked him. He may have been something after 'nam, but the years on the hill sucked all the lead out of his pencil long ago.
I'm not going to go into details and kick a man when he's down, but lets just say there were many reasons i didn't vote for him.


Instead, I voted against bush.

[PresidentObama]

88. Using Kerry As A Scape Goat Is Pathetic

I'm sorry but you all are just using him as a pawn for Democrats horrible performance in November. Kerry lost. He owned up to it, and took the blame. What else do you want? If you don't wish to support him in 2008 thats your business, but stop the Kerry bashing. John Kerry is still a incredible force in the United States Senate, and one of the better men we have in the halls of Congress. He doesn't deserve to be insulted and spit on.

[BamaLefty]

89. Amen!

Well said Kerry2008.

[Krinkov]

91. so not liking him is scapegoating him?

I wasn't using him as my whipping boy to vent my frustrations way back when he won the primary. I was pretty dissappointed then.

I don't like him for his initial support of the iraq invasion, his voting record/general attitude about gun rights, the list goes on. He's a pure politician and a bit of a political opportunist for my taste.

That's why i won't support him in 2008 unless there's absolutely no other choice.

Would you feel better if apologized for having a different opinion than you?

[pauliedee]

108. Kerry crushed Bush in debates

Kerry showed grit and guts. He kicked the livin daylights out of Boy
George in the debates. How quickly you forget...He's the man I want in my foxhole ....I'll be there for in 2008.

[kypper]

90. John Stewart!

He'd roast Bush for every screwup instead of babbling and side-stepping.

I like Kerry, but he doesn't stand up for his beliefs. He believes what he thinks will win.

[politicasista]

92. It's still too early to tell..

Although I think Kerry would have made a good president, it looks like the Dems may want some of their own people in there. :cry: :shrug:

[marlakay]

94. Sorry but I think we need someone else

He is a good man but just doesn't know how to give a clear concise answer. I saw him on tv the other night and they asked him a simple question and he went into this long back and forth answer. Maybe he just doesn't know how anymore to say in simple terms what needs to be said. Until he can he will never win.

[politicasista]

95. Yes, let's nominate a governor, maybe Clark, or Dean

Somebody who will move our souls. Kerry would have made a good president, yet some of us hope 2004 was his only chance. :cry: :cry: :cry:

[pauliedee]

115. Kerry a GREAT leader who'll fight the repugs to the death

He is a not jus a good man but a great man who will be president in 2009! He can and will win in 2008.

[Mass]

137. You're right

Let select a simpleton like Bush. That way we will be sure to be understood.

[Akno21]

96. We can't choose...

the guy who best represents us, or even who would make the best President. Sorry, but we need to go after electabilty right now, and if he couldn't win in 2004, against an unpopular war, huge deficit, loss of jobs, why will he win in 2008?

[PresidentObama]

97. Amen, Lets Stand Up For Kerry

.....He's still standing up for me, I'm standing up for him. Even if only 48% of DU still wants him to run in 2008. If you wish to join me in my efforts I own a pro-Kerry 2008 site.

johnkerryforamerica.com

[SLJ1992]

98. Support Kerry 08 Wristbands

We just found a great website http://www.supportkerry08.com. They are selling Support Kerry 08 wristbands and bumper stickers for just $1.00. They are awesome! Let's push this movement and let's see people on every street corner wearing these just like the Lance Armstrong band. KERRY '08!

[MindoverPolitics]

99. Wake up and smell the Conspiracy!

Party is over people.....democratic party that is!

Or that is how it seems.
Like everyone else I was crushed after re-selection '04.

But even more horrible was that John Kerry didn't lift an eyebrow to investigate the massive reports of voter fraud in various key elections despite having tens of millions of dollars left in his political campaign chest. He conceded the election faster than you can say Brown Brothers Harriman! I'm talking about the Skull&Bones gang here!

This election was a fraud wrapped inside an enigma colorized by Ted Turner. Red States! Blue States! Ra! ra! ra!

It's divide and conquer, the fun electoral game that keeps everyone guessing!

Up untill that last minute before his concession I still held out a vain hope that Kerry was an Illuminati plant inside the Skull and Bones order meant to bring it down...but no, of course not.

Fool me once, shame on, shame on.............

PS: Check out this interesting post on this same site!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1589943

[pauliedee]

109. I got Kerry wristbands!

Kerry plastered bush in the debates, raised more money then ever, energizied the Democratic party, and won a impressive 55 million votes with the republicans cheating. John Kerry still kicks serios ass in my book....

KERRY 2008!!!!

[welshTerrier2]

100. my litmus test: NO MORE PNAC MONEY

i will not support under any circumstances any candidate who votes any additional funds to enable bush to continue his PNAC agenda in the Middle East ...

ABB is DEAD ...

it's time to call on ALL Democrats to stop authorizing money for bush's war ... those who don't "get it" do not deserve our support ... let's support Democratic candidates who do ...

Kerry has said he will vote for bush's $81.9 BILLION supplemental to continue the "war" in Iraq ... while it's true he's has emphasized the importance of "supporting the troops" and improving benefits to veterans, the bottom line is that funding for PNAC must be terminated now ... you either fund PNAC or you don't ... there is no middle ground ...

i hope Kerry ultimately decides to vote against more funding ... if he doesn't, i will never again be voting for him ...

[wisteria]

110. Yes! I agree with you.

I will vote for him again if he runs in 2008. No doubt in my mind, he was and will continue to be president worthy.We may not always agree with the decisions our leaders make, but if they honestly make their decisions based on the safety and welfare of the people and the country they have been elected to protect how can we fault them entirely? No doubt, John Kerry is looking out for and fighting for us!

[foreverdem]

111. I'd vote for him again

John Kerry was and still is the best man for the job. I'd vote for him again with no problem. He did not lose - the Dems could have put Jesus Christ personified up against the shrub and the shrub would have won. As for Kerry not protesting the election fraud, I guess he should have run into congress on January 6, screaming no, no, no, mine, mine, mine.

[Hippo_Tron]

112. Nope, Kerry hired Bob Shrum, he doesn't deserve my trust

He had the best ready to work for him and he chose the mediocre. Had he made the right decission he would be POTUS right now and I would be intending to vote for him in 2008 when he would've been running for re-election.

[PresidentObama]

113. Who cares about Bob Shrum?

Once again people lame excuses to bash Kerry. Get over it! Cahill wasn't the best choice in the world either, but I'm not going to yell at Kerry for that. He didn't know she would be that horrible.

[Hippo_Tron]

114. Bob Shrum had an 0 for 7 record in presidential elections

Carville, Begala, and Lockhardt got Clinton elected, they know what they are doing. It is ENTIRELY Kerry's fault for not hiring the right people which in a close race like that, would've probably been the difference between him winning and loosing. Sorry, Kerry obviously made the wrong choice and for that I refuse to trust him.

[pauliedee]

117. We'll win in 2008 with Kerry

Carville, Begala, and Lockhardt will help Kerry in 2008. Schrum is now teaching so he's out of the picture.


Carville would have squashed the swiftboat liars right away. Mary Beth Cahill was no tstrong enough.

[marcologico]

119. Wasn't Cahill his campaign chair?

He had half a dozen close advisors. Hard to see how any particular one can be blamed for 04.

[PresidentObama]

120. Cahill was his campaign manager right? A horrible one at that.

[wisteria]

122. I have said it once and I will say it again,

John Kerry for President 2008.

[Silverhair]

123. He had his shot, and blew it! Clark for '08. NT

[woosh]

124. kerry failed miserably

no thanks, I'll wait to see how things play-out with Dean at the helm. No doubt there will be some surprise choices by the time the primaries roll around.

[pauliedee]

127. Kerry won popular vote in swing states

Will win presidency in 2008

[Cascadian]

125. No thanks.

John Kerry gave up to quickly after the election. He should have had the brass to stand up and fight Bush (proverbially) and raise the question of voting irregularities in Ohio. He also should have never tried to go along to get along on the issue of Iraq. He should have also not been afraid to call himself a liberal. His candidacy was rather flawed. You may not like what I say but that's the truth.


John

[Phoenixblade444]

126. I stand with you

I agree.. Kerry is the way to go. We need another Kerry/Edwards ticket.

[daninthemoon]

129. Our true nominee has yet to reveal him/herself

Kerry is not the one.

[PresidentObama]

130. DU is too anti-Kerry

DU members stop blaming your problems on Kerry. Kerry's a good man, a good Senator, and will make a GREAT President. Give up the act, JK doesn't deserve blame for every one of the woes from the 2004 campaign season. AND STOP BRINGING UP SKULL AND BONES...WHO CARES!?!?!?

[pauliedee]

141. Kerry a GREAT leader who'll fight the repugs to the death

Stop whining...Hillary sucks

[frustrated_lefty]

131. NO, thanks anyway.

[Obviousman]

132. I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. I had something CRAZY in my ear

are you serious?!

[demcatholic95]

133. In 2008 we need someone who can connect with the "moral values" people

John Kerry is a great man, and possibly would have been one of the greatest presidents ever. But in 2008 we need someone who can interact with all the people, espescially the christian voters. In this past election abortion and gay marraige were the top issues. Even though John Kerry came out and said he was personally against abortion, this was not enough for many people. Abortion is a horrible practice, and Hilary Clinton made a very strong media move when she said it was horrible. John Kerry should not be our nominee in 2008 because he did not connect with the christian voters. Since I am myself a catholic, I know many people who voted for Bush because they think he will stop abortion, which is of course not true. But in 2008 the democrats need someone who is pro-life and can stand firm in his stance that he or she has moral values and respects all human life.

[karynnj]

143. Good Luck finding a prominent Pro-life Democrat

Hillary is pro-choice. Even if you find a pro-life Dem, they will not win in the primary. Kerry (and Hillary and any Democrat I can think of) do have moral values and respect human life.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

192. And if the Dems were to...

abandon their pro-choice stance and nominate a true anti-choice candidate, I can promise you that there would be ten of thousands of pro-choice Dems who would walk away from the Democratic Party and not look back.

And I would be one one them.

[Splinter Cell]

134. Idiots

It's the dumb people that blame Kerry for "losing", by saying he "blew it", and "had his chance" that pull this party down.

I can't believe so many of you people want to throw away John Kerry, a man that won the presidency, then did the right thing for the party and the country when he was screwed, and could win the presidency in 2008.

Then you turn around and talk about people like Hillary Clinton and Barbara Boxer and Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich. Let's grow up guys. Kerry can win. Period.

We've lost all hope when we start throwing away our leaders and blaming them for the fraud and bullshit pulled by the Rethuglicans. Stop being fair-weather sailors and start backing people we know can win and more importantly do a great job. People like John Kerry.

[Eloriel]

135. I'm sorry, Corey. I just find a post like yours

delusional.

Either that, or we are living in alternate realities.

[inthebrain]

136. Im passing on Kerry

I hope Kucinich runs again.

I dont care is he's not television friendly. His politics harken back to the days of FDR with some Eugene Debs mixed in.

In terms of actually winning we need to take on the corporate media. I am now a member of Freewayblogger.com.

http://www.freewayblogger.com/

Others should join in the fun. If you find yourself screaming at the BS in the news this is a great way to fight back!!!!

[Mass]

139. I'm all with you

but you probably post that in the wrong place.

[Mairead]

140. No. He devolved into a poor senator and was a lousy nominee.

I live in Mass, I helped put him into office to begin with and, til 2002, helped to keep him there. Now I'm going to work to get him back out, so that he can windsurf and ski as much as his little over-privileged heart desires.

[marcologico]

142. L.A. Times: "Kerry Intensifies Attack on Bush"

The senator continues to criticize the president's choices by disparaging World Bank and U.N. nominations and the proposed budget.

By Ronald Brownstein, Friday, March 18, 2005

WASHINGTON — Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), continuing his sharp attacks on the man who beat him in last year's White House race, on Thursday denounced President Bush's budget and his recent nominations of leading conservatives to two high-profile foreign policy posts. The budget Bush submitted to Congress failed to uphold basic values of "honesty, opportunity and responsibility," Kerry told the Center on National Policy, a Democratic think tank.

In response to a question, Kerry charged that Bush's nomination of Undersecretary of State John R. Bolton as ambassador to the United Nations and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz as president of the World Bank would undermine the administration's efforts to rebuild ties with allies frayed by strains over the war in Iraq.

(snip)

In his speech, Kerry charged that Bush's budget was irresponsible because it would increase debt on future generations, disingenuous because it hid the true size of the deficits, and misguided because it placed a higher priority on tax cuts than on spending initiatives, such as ensuring universal health coverage for children. "As a statement of fiscal responsibility, this budget is a sham," Kerry said. "As a statement of priorities, it fails the test of common sense."

Speaking of Bolton, a frequent U.N. critic who must be confirmed by the Senate, Kerry said, "It is very hard to commence a new initiative in foreign policy … and then somebody to the United Nations who has been so destructive and so clearly dismissive of the U.N. process itself." Kerry said Wolfowitz, whose nomination must be approved by the World Bank board, was "as guilty as Donald Rumsfeld" of major miscalculations about the war in Iraq.

link: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-kerry18mar18,1,5081061.story?ctrack=3&cset=true

[TMA68]

145. Kerry -- and the DLC -- HAD their chance!

For crying out loud, how many more times must these pro-war, pro-Patriot Act, pro-NAFTA, Republican-lite candidates get their butts kicked on election day before rank-and-file Democrats stop blindly supporting them?

http://nuclearfree.lynx.co.nz/kerrylost.htm

As I said in my previous post, if Dems don't stop marching in mindless lockstep to the ideological drumbeat of the Democratic "Leadership" Council, they can count on next year's midterm election being a repeat of 2002.

Todd

[marcologico]

146. You're making way too much out of the DLC.

It's a policy shop, not the World Bank Trilateral Protocols of Zion or some other nutjob whipping boy. You're also forgetting that the 2002 elections came one year after 9/11 and everybody was still slobbering over Chimp's stiff upper lip. Eventually they'll get over it.

[aintitfunny]

149. No, Not Kerry

He was part of the problem. I think he is a good man, but people in general DID NOT LIKE him. Sad but true. Many, Many people I talked to (and I talked to a bunch) who was not rabidly one way or another, said they did not like him. If they did not hate GWB their vote was lost because they disliked Kerry more even though they felt uncomfortable with the devastation generated by the shrub. Why they disliked him does not matter. That there was a right wing swift boat smear campaign does not matter. We need someone likeable, by the general populace who are going to make the decision. Someone who can overcome. GWB overcame all his crap and got elected for the 1st time in '04, our candidate needs to be teflon coated as well.

[pauliedee]

150. Co-sponsor Kerry's Kids First bill S.114

Co-sponsor Kerry's Kids First bill S.114 which provides healthcare to all children in America.

[Timothy]

151. Kerry won popular vote in swing states

I'll support Kerry anywhere anytime!!! He's still strongest candidate!

;-)

[Akno21]

161. If our strongest candidate...

can only get 252 electoral votes against a candidate who's message was "You may not agree with my position, but I have one" , I think the Democratic party is in pretty bad shape.

[imenja]

164. exactly

The idea that he is the best we have to offer tells me people don't think much about the chances of our party for gaining power. I will not be working for Kerry in 2008. He had his chance and he blew it.

[Benson]

152. I dunno.Will Kerry ANSWER the Tough Questions?

He was silent on the swift boat thing. We lost big there.

He wouldn't give an Iraq policy, or even a time table for a pull out.

In Febuary, he promised to sign form 180 that would have shut up the swift boat vet guys...but he has still to do it.

He didn't fight/contest this last election. Why should I think that he will fight in 2008, when he didn't in 2004.

Dang it! I know progressives who SAT OUT the last election because of Kerry. Kerry allowed himself to be defined by *...

I WANT SOMEONE WHO WILL ANSWER THE CHARGES, AND FIGHT BACK!

If you can promise me he will fight, then I am with you. But i don't wanna waste my time.

[Timothy]

153. Kerry will fight the repugs to the death

He'll sign the 180 form soon I hear. All the swiftboat stuff was debunked, just a little late. That will not happen next time.

He will be solid in 2008 and has my full support...

[wabranty]

155. What's the message?

Kerry may be a fighter but he doesn't have a chance because he cannot deliver a compelling message. Is he for or against the Iraqi war? What specific domestic policy ideas does he have? What is his plan for fighting terrorism? What does he stand for?

Kerry just comes off as an opportunistic politician who doesn't know how to connect with the people. Like Gore, Kerry just seems to be a combination of poll results and consultant-driven images.

[Corey_Baker08]

156. Kerry does know how to connect with the people...

You have obviously never been to a Kerry Rally. It was one of the greatest times of my life and I have been contacting news station after news station to try to get ahold of a tape.

I respect your opinon but it sounds like your post came straight from the GOP's website.

[wabranty]

158. Thank you!

As an opposition researcher for Democratic candidates, that's my job. I have studied the GOP for years, learned their tactics, and I feel it is my professional duty to prepare Democratic candidates to face the hardest stuff the GOP can throw at them.

Yes, I have been to several Kerry rallies, several Dean rallies, and a few Clark rallies. Sure its great to rally with the rest of the faithful but that doesn't win elections. And from my own observations, the Dean and Clark rallies were more supportive of the candidates while the Kerry rallies weren't so much about Kerry as in just expressing outrage against W.

But energizing the base is only part of the strategy. In any Presidential race, 30% are going to vote Democratic because their parents were Democratic and 30% are going to vote Republican because their parents were Republican. So each candidate starts with 30% of the vote. Then you have 10% of the Independents that usually vote Democratic and 10% of the Independents that break for the Republicans. Now the campaign is down to the undecided 20%.

That is the group that doesn't go to rallies and only spends five minutes a week (during a campaign) thinking of politics. That's why a short, compelling message is so vital. This group does understand nuances but you first have to get them to pay attention before you can deliver the whole message. Kerry may be able to connect with the Democratic faithful but he couldn't connect with the majority of the undecided 20%.

And thanks again for the compliment! :hi:

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[Deja Q]

162. He had his shot and his actions after Nov 2 prove himself

I don't think he's fighting for us and I've yet to see proof. He's chimed in lately, but it's 5 months after the election when he started discussing rigged paperless machines; an issue that had been discussed by everybody (EXCEPT him) during the electioneering months.

He also announced his standing down about 16 hours after the polls closed. A fighter? That is not proof of fighting. That's quitting.

He also voted for the bankruptcy bill (or if I read that thread backwards, I apologize for my dyslexia). That's pretty depressing too.

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[Sydnie]

188. I'm with you Corey

As far as I am concerned, he IS my President. If he runs again in '08, I'm there with bells on.

He is what we NEED to clean up the mess that blivet** is leaving all around us.

Count me in, Corey, I'm with you 100%.

[Vektor]

189. I'm with you!

Hell yes.

[cosmokramer]

190. HE COULDN'T BEAT THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER...

...and you want him to run again!

No thanks, give me a REAL LIFE-LONG hero...

[tavalon]

191. Actually, he couldn't beat DIEBOLD! n/t

[cosmokramer]

193. Disagree. Yes, the machines are one thing, but this should have

been a BLOWOUT year for the Dem nominee, and Kerry did not cut it. The spread should have been by at least 6%--and even with tampering, it would have been less than 1% one way or another.

With GWB being the WORST ever, Kerry should have smoked him. He didn't, and I won't give him a second chance.

[Corey_Baker08]

194. I Dont think it Would Have Mattered with the South

If George W Bush would have told the whole country he hated it and hoped everyone died, I guarantee you he still would have won the South because he is nothing more than a redneck boy from down south.

Everyone in the south took Kerry to be some northern liberal out to kill babies and take away their guns, I have a feeling the Southern Right Wing extremist just dont get it and never will until there is a Northern state Republican on the ballot.

[TK421]

195. If he decides to run again, he has my vote

This guy has been dragged through the mud, and he's still giving this administration a headache:thumbsup: I voted for him last time, and I'll do it again. I'm just curious who will be up there with him.

[derby378]

196. My main fear about Kerry for 2008: Will Kerry choke again?

We all loved Kerry when he testified about the Vietnam War in the 70s. The Kerry that ran for President in 2004 was a much different, more conciliatory, and less focused than the younger John Kerry.

If Kerry really wants the Presidency, he has to act like he really wants it. Last year, he wasn't quite convincing enough.

[impeachthescoundrel]

197. Reading these posts

makes me wonder about the Democratic party as a whole. Is this what we call sticking together?

I have always had confidence in John Kerry. I voted for him in 04 and will be proud to do it again in 08. And those who say he had no message weren't listening very carefully.

[Splinter Cell]

206. Uh, what?

Kerry choked in '04? You mean getting half the country(a little more if the truth were told) to vote for him in a time of war and only losing because Bush stole a 2nd election, is choking?

It's funny how some folks think a candidate "choked", when in fact they won the election. That amuses me.

[splat@14]

199. My problem with Kerry is....

First, I voted for Kerry. The problem is that my vote was "against Bush" not "for Kerry". And I bet a bunch of others were the same. I liked Kerry but I hated Bush more. The problem is that the other side really likes Bush and doesn't care if its Kerry or whomever and thats why they voted for him. They really wanted Bush/Cheney over anyone. We'll never win a contest where voters have to de-select someone by selecting someone else. We have to have someone that voters will select over the alternative. I mean no disrespect to Kerry. I listened to both he and Edwards and I know we would be much better off with them now. They didn't get their message across. Kerry and Edwards are sharp and know the details. Why they didn't hand those two their asses, the idiot & the crook (read Bush & Cheney), is beyond me. They should have wiped the floor with them during the debates. Thats when they had their opportunity to demonstrate it to the public, or at least a portion of it. The American electorate doesn't give a shit enough about finding out anything on their own...it has to be spoon fed to them. Kerry and Edwards missed that opportunity. A 5 point jump in the polls, post debate, means nothing....they needed big scores and they could have had them.

Maybe not, just my opinion. Some people I know voted for Bush for single issues like abortion, gun control, etc. When I press them for details, turns out they didn't really "know the issues", or voted on "parental guidance", or "9/11", some didn't even care and still voted just so they could feel that they filled their obligation....all kinds of shit. Rove sold them a bill of goods that was easy to take. Americans like it that way - thats whats needs to change!!!!

Kerry is smart enough, but I doubt he'll have the resolve. Especially after the loss. I'd vote for him again, but it would be for the same reason which is why I don't think it would work.

[PresidentObama]

201. About Kerry Choking in 2004....

....while I don't agree with that statement, I know what you meant. I do think the Kerry we saw in 2004 wasn't the Kerry we all know. He seemed focused, and all. But he also seemed out of it at times. I hope when and if he runs in 2008, he becomes that focused John Kerry you said we saw in the 70's when fighting for Vietnam veterans.

If you look at Kerry now, he's more determined then ever. He sends out weekly e-mails, has been really busy with proposing and backing bills, and keeping his name in the hat for 2008. I think John Kerry's more focused then he was in 2004, which is a good thing.

GOP feared John Kerry in 2004, they will fear him again in 2008.

:) I can't wait to see a re-energized John Kerry in 2008.

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[CaptainTypho1967]

209. ???

No. He had his chance. He was unsuccessful. Let someone else have a go next time.

[ndcohn]

204. But what really matters?

Is it electability or Principle?

I cant decide which outweighs. I love John Kerry, but how much of a shot does he have? Could I vote for Hillary Clinton and get both, even if i don't like her as much? Mark Warner probably would be elected president... as would Mike Easley, maybe i should vote for them.

In short, its way to early for me. Kerry and Clinton are definitely moving to reposition themselves for 08, and anyone who has been watching C-SPAN can tell Kerry has been working on his speaking. But I'm not convinced that they can win. Nor am I convinced that I can get myself to vote for Warner or Easley.

[belladonna]

205. AA

get a new sponsor at AA and say no to crack.

[Corey_Baker08]

207. Keep ur stupid ass opinion to yourself hillbilly

I could imagine who you are. Your the hillbilly sitting in your living room with your gun in your hand saying "all that dang all kerry wants to take away our guns"

[Akno21]

208. EC

Give Kerry an extra 5%, and he still doesn't crack 300 EV's. He doesn't bring enough states to the table.

[Oversea Visitor]

210. Gee

Hope there wont be another sorryall.com or was it wesosorry.com