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Corey_Baker08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:27 PM
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Poll question: Who Do You Support for DNC Chariman?
The Candidates for national chair include:

Howard Dean-Former Governor of Vermont,

Donnie Fowler-Campaign stragetist

Tim Roemer-Former governor of Indiana,

Martin Frost-Former congressman from
Texas

Simon Rosenberg-Head of the Moderate New Democratic
Network

Wellington Webb-Former mayor of Denver.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:29 PM
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1. YeeeHawwww, !
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:29 PM
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16. Webb's the most liberal ,the most pro-environment most pro -civil rights
Edited on Sun Jan-23-05 10:29 PM by genius
I like him a lot and he's a great organizer.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:22 AM
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18. I'll have to take a good look at him, Liberal ,and Pro-environment
but for now Dean is the One for me, Kerry rode on Dean's wake and did a face plant on the beach. Dean now calls himself a Centrist, which makes me think twice. Thanks for the heads up.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 06:17 PM
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41. And now he's withdrawn and endorsed Howard Dean
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Bush on crack Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 07:53 PM
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26. Dean all the way!
I think we should all support Dean because he will not bow to the wacko Bush administration. He will let the Americans know that Bush is going to take their checks and SS, and their proscriptions drugs. I also think Barbera Boxer or Barbra Lee should run in 2008! It's time to let the chicks get in there and bitch out that fascist congress. Augh! Bush makes me sick!
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eg101 Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:30 PM
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2. None of the above. They all suck
Why not a nonpolitician?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 04:02 PM
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8. The next time you're having surgery you want an accountant to do it?
Like it or not, it's a political job.
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Bush on crack Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:02 PM
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27. Dean
Dean is a man of the people! He to me is less of a politican than anybody! Ugh! I hate what the media did to him. I think we were going to lose at least Dean would have exposed all of his lies and attempts to ruin this country.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:31 PM
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3. Dean is OK, but at this point
I would support Quasimodo if he floaed to the top. We still need to grapple with a dumbed - down American Public that can be stampeded with phobias and inflamatory rhetoric.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:03 PM
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35. I was going to support Dean all the way, can't now...
Just can't swallow his followers at Kos... and that is his supposed base. I have never seen such absolute almost violent hatred toward people who might slightly have another opinion. Nope... am done. Now what? Can we have Gore back? Or, let's just get Boxer to be President, she has more balls then all of them put together.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:32 PM
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4. I voted Dean
because I'm not familiar with the others at all.

Though I supported Edwards in the primaries, I always had a soft spot for Dean. He stayed on message. Go Dems!
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:57 PM
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5. kickin this
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:59 PM
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6. Dean in a landslide!
Not even a contest.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 03:59 PM
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7. Roemer was not a governor
And God...who cares who the chairman is. Was it Ed Gillespie that won re-election for Bush? Of course not.

It's all about candidates...not about who the chairman is. Everybody is geting all worked into a lather over who becomes the new head cheerleader. Who cares?????
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 04:25 PM
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9. It matters because the Dems needs leadership and organization
Which is something McAuffie lacked. Even Tom Roachlay noticed it.

I picked Dean because he is the "fuck it with left and right! let's just do what works!" kind of guy.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:54 PM
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14. What is needed is a candidate with broad appeal
a presidential candidate who can build a coalition larger than 50.01% (which is the strategy both parties are currently employing).

The Democratic party is better organized now (and has more more money) than it's ever had. So what?

These party chairmanships are adminstrative positions. It is not like the party chair sets policy and picks candidates...not by a longshot. The superstars are the elected officials, not the party chair, who basically is the fundraiser- and cheerleader-in-chief.

I just don't think it matters who gets this, at least not to 99.9% of us.
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Democrat Dragon Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 08:21 PM
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15. But it still needs a backbone and good leadership
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:57 PM
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24. me.
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 01:01 PM by mahina
I care.

Jeez only a couple guys actually make touchdowns, what do you need those
other guys on the field for?

To win goddamn it. And not for the sport of it, for the future of the country and to end this criminal death squad's grip on power.

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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:36 AM
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37. I think this chair means a lot.
We want someone who will finish the shift from corporate driven fundraising to people driven fundraising. I'm getting tired of both parties being pro-massive-corporation.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 04:51 PM
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10. Dean! nt
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 05:59 PM
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11. Bad Blood With Joe Trippi?
It was my understanding that when Joe Trippi left the Dean campaign during the primaries, exhaustion was the main reason. That makes me wonder why he didn't endorse Dean for this job.
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 12:43 AM
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19. Dean fired Trippi
and it was a bad break up. Some charge him with all kinds of malfeasance which I won't repeat since I know of zero evidence to support their charges. I've seen him support Dean publicly since he left the campaign, but I'm not terribly surprised he is backing another candidate (Rosenberg).
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:43 AM
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20. Trippi likes Rosenberg because he's more net savvy but also
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 02:45 AM by GettysbergII
I believe Trippi feels that Dean will always be the outsider to the core of the DNC. That's probably why we like Dean so much but campaign pros like Trippi think in terms 'winnability' first.

I'll be very surprised in Dean wins the Chair unless he alters his antiwar, anti-NCLB, etc stance.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:01 PM
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34. hmmm
I like Trip though... i do.
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Cozmosis Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 06:21 PM
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12. Dean for the win.
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I_equals_PRT Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 07:00 PM
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13. only dean can keep me in the party, if it's anybody else, i go green n/t
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:31 PM
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17. The Greens won't have Dean either. The Libertarians might.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 09:33 PM
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32. He's already got a good start on his own party --
whether he knows it or not or thinks about it in those terms. But obviously I sure as hell do!!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:04 PM
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36. Why don't the greens?
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:13 AM
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43. I've sure been thinking along those same lines .....
If Dean does not get the nod, I would love to see him start a new party. I think a big chunk of his base would follow.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 12:08 PM
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44. This was discussed last year after Dean lost the primaries
Dean said he'd never do that.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 02:01 PM
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46. bye
"only dean can keep me in the party, if it's anybody else, i go green n/t"

Maybe you should just take your ball and go home. If that's your attitude it sounds like you are to flakey to be reliable anyway.

This is why the party is moving to the center. It knows it cannot count on its base.

If Dean wins, I'm for him 100%. For now, I am liking Donnie Fowler.
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warphead Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:13 AM
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21. Protect the Party from the centrists and conservatives
First of all; I'm very shocked and disappointed in both Bill and Hilary Clinton. I knew they were 'New Democrats' which means centrist/conservative, but to oppose Dean for both substance and style ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6857146/site/newsweek/ ) and join with the entrenched democrat conservatives that want to attract the 'red' states...?
Wait a minute! The Democratic Party didn't do as well as it did this time IN SPITE of the left-wing of the party...it did as well BECAUSE of the LEFT! The age of consensus and compromise is over. The excesses of capitalism, the environment, the increasing friction between cultures and class...and Hilary talks about "prayer in the public square"?
Dean isn't even that 'left'. He's (in my humble opinion) a populist, and strikes me as an old-style 'new-deal' liberal. I could be wrong here, but I don't see a wobbly when I look at Dean. Which I wouldn't mind. In any case; in the poll here, I voted for Dean. And if the DNC succumbs to the will of the Clintons and stays centrist/conservative; I'll be re-registering Peace and Freedom in California and supporting their candidates. (That is another issue I have with the so-called "new Democrats" and the Democrat Attorney General that knocked off the Peace and Freedom from the voter registration cards calling us an anachronism from the '60's.)
Anyway; I see Dean as a way to protect us from the age of 'republicrats' and the death of the Democrat party. It's up the the Democrats to make the decision to play for power or remember it's roots, stick to it's original principals and give a damn about the world and people living in it...or just winning. The latter will be their demise.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:47 AM
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23. Dean said we have to be more centrist
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 07:51 AM by MaineDem
I'll find the thread. It was in the LBN forum from Saturday.

Here's the thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1175578
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 07:43 AM
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22. Howard Dean in a minute!
No more Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys or this third-generation (that I know of) Democrat walks. Only this and nothing more.

:bounce:
dbt
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:19 PM
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25. Tim Roemer-former rep, not governor :)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:10 PM
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28. Dean
I think he's what the DNC needs at this moment. Strong vision, positive energy, not afraid to speak his mind.
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Extremeleftwing Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:14 PM
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29. Dean, Dean, Dean!!
He is the man with the leadership and vision for the job. He can also yell really well.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 05:42 PM
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30. Voted for Howard Dean
We need his energy and his brains right now.

It would make a lot of us feel better about our role in the party, our role as citizens, and our ticket's chances against The Cat Butcher et al.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 08:42 PM
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31. Done, go Dean go.
:kick:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:19 PM
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33. Notlob DTC endorses Dr. Dean!
At its caucus today, my town committee unanimously endorsed Dean and will be sending letters to our electors!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:37 PM
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38. Simon Rosenberg 1/31 CSPAN alert.
09:00 am
0:30 (est.) LIVE
Call-In
Democratic Party Future
C-SPAN, Washington Journal
Simon Rosenberg , New Democrat Network
The beginning and end of this live program may be earlier or later than the scheduled times.

http://www.newdem.org/
"NDN is a powerful, national network of leaders committed to modernizing progressive politics and building a durable Democratic majority. Please join our effort to forge a modern, unified strategy that will help our party win again and help restore the promise of America."

This is a front group for Simon Rosenberg for DNC chair - hotlinks directly to www.simonforchair.org/
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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:01 PM
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42. Way to go Sherlock...
Did you figure that out all by yourself? NDN has ALWAYS been headed up by Rosenberg. Is that a problem? Should Dean be the only one who has front organization?
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specedteacher Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 02:10 AM
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39. Howard Dean For Democratic Chairman
Howard Dean all the way. I supported him for president and support him to be the next chairman of the democratic party. He is just the man to re-energize the democratic party. We need his leadership, his energy and his dedication to liberal ideals.
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MattG Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 05:40 PM
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40. watched the candidates say their stuff on C-Span
I think they all were pretty good. I did however, like Martin Frost a lot. I think he's got a real good attitude and conviction. But, Dean will probably be the winner. Which is OK with me. As long as they plan on sabotaging Hillary's plans for nomination in 08, they're cool ;)
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:57 PM
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45. Fowler
I heard him on Air America this morning. Sounds like he knows his stuff. Wants to clean out all the Washington consultants that have been leading us down the garden path for 30 years. Seems to know that when you are a minority party you cannot be too choosey about ones constituency. This whole left-or-center debate will get us nowhere. We need both. We need the people who are fighting on the local level and know what is possible politically to be directing the party's priotities and strategy.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 09:08 AM
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47. never mind
Apparently Fowler is involved in some campaign finance scandal involving $1.25 million in Kerry funds.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 04:35 PM
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50. just a rumor!
Turns out, that is nothing but rumor. Fowler ran Kerry's MI campaign and now it seems that the Mich. Dems and the DNC are in a pissing contest over finance records. Fowler does not seem to be implicated except that he was in MI last year.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 01:25 PM
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48. GO DEAN!!!! n/t
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 01:59 PM
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49. Howard Dean "gets it"
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:32 AM
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51. Dean, because he won't write off the South, and he's good at
condensing complex issues into meaningful sound bites. He's good at fundraising, and he will provide an institutional backbone to an opposition party that needs to project a principled vision.

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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 02:52 AM
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52. No doubt about it
Dean.

The other choices suck. I wasn't a Dean supporter in the primaries, but I want some excitement and enthusiasm.

The other choices either sound mentally challenged, bore me to death, or are republicans in Dem clothing.
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 11:38 PM
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53. Edwards!
I wish he was running. He definitely needs a place in the party's future...
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