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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 10:50 AM
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Making fun of Lakoffian message-makers ensconced in the Democratic regime
Joshua Green's May Atlantic Monthly making fun of Lakoffian message-makers - as in Howard Dean saying he would "make George Lakoff the Democrats' Frank Luntz."

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"One of the minor ridiculous figures in Washington these days is an Internet entrepreneur named Richard Yanowitch, who is pointing down another path to enlightenment. He has put together a jargony memo and a working group dedicated to 'branding' the Democrats — the thought apparently being that, as if it were a flagging brand of soda, the party can be revived with snazzier packaging and a new sales pitch. And while Lakoff enjoys the sponsorship of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, Yanowitch has set up shop under the auspices of her Senate counterpart, Harry Reid."

"Yanowitch has established what has been described to me as a 'secret messaging group.' Though he rebuffed requests for an interview, a member of this Masonic cabal leaked to me a roster of potential saviors of the Democratic Party even unlikelier than Lakoff. Along with the usual pollsters and strategists it includes the internationally best-selling mystery writer Harlan Coben, creator of the Myron Bolitar series, about the adventures of 'a hotheaded, tenderhearted sports agent' (as Amazon.com describes it). Another member is R. J. Cutler, the reality-TV impresario behind last summer's Showtime series American Candidate (modeled after American Idol), which put the lie to H.L.Mencken's maxim that you can never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. As the show was conceived, viewers would select a 'candidate' to run for president in the serious, if alarming, hope that the winner would actually enter the race. (The show flopped. Given Cutler's political affiliation, it failed on another level, too: viewers chose a thirty-eight-year-old Republican.) The idea seems to be that people like Coben and Cutler, having moved the masses with their art, possess mysterious alchemical skills that can just as easily be applied to politics."

"Of course, buzzwords are not going to rescue a failing party. That so many Democrats have achieved the Olympian state of denial necessary to believe otherwise suggests that the tempting abstractions of language and messaging have diverted them from a truth that ought to be perfectly clear: rather than being misunderstood, they were understood all too well."
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:25 PM
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1. The intention of both these pieces is certainly clear. On message with RW.
Edited on Thu Mar-31-05 01:05 PM by Ojai Person
I have some reservations about the Lakoff craze myself, but they are not the ones Joshua Green and the writer of The Note try to create.

I think Lakoff is absolutely right in that there must be a communicable message that resonates with people's identity and values, and that is inherent in fundamental structures of self-organization, is archetypally coherent, you could say. There is plenty of evidence that the Republicans have done this in a manipulative, calculated way. One only need hear the speeches of DeLay and Frist using the Schiavo case (http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=press_delayfristtranscript),
mobilizing the RW fundies to attack judges and pave the way for the nuclear option of eliminating the filibuster, to see that RW theocratic propaganda capabilities are far more studied and advanced than those of the Dems. These two articles try to hide that fact and destroy the Dem's power here in advance.

The criticisms I have of the Lakoff craze are these:

1) It seems to markedly distract much needed Dem attention from the more crucial issue that election theft is now the number one weapon in the Republican arsenal.

2) This distraction happens because the chosen, identified Lakoff frame for the Dems is incomplete and inadequate. He pits the Dems as "nurturant parent" against the Repubs as "strict father." The strict father as Repub frame is all well and good, but by leaving out the darker elements of the pattern--archetypes are never singular, according to archetypal psychologist James Hillman, whom Lakoff would do well to study--we miss the darker, more powerful elements like election theft, which is not really seen in strict father (although strict father indirectly condones it). Likewise, nuturant parent, although it does carry the Dem core values, is not a worthy adversary for strict father. It is simply a polarized aspect of the strict father, and one which can't help but always get creamed. Nurturant parent never wins, but is more likely to be a victim. Like in that movie "Life is Beautiful".

If Lakoff is going to invoke an archetypal strategy, he would do well to draw in a more clever and wily energy which is well acquainted with dirty tricks, yet has a vision which is compatible with the nurturing parent, and who has the capacity to deal with strict father and his thugs. Who might this be? Odysseus, for starters. That figure from Greek mythology who lived in Homer's Iliad and Odyssey. Hillman wrote back in the 1970's that one of the most dangerous schisms facing our society is that between the puer and the senex (recognizable now as the strict father versus the "liberals".) He said the only way through it was in some kind of figure who had lived both, who had become mature and he identified this as Odysseus. (Read the essay in The Puer Papers, published by Spring.)

We can see this figure operating now only through the most mature men and women of the party...it's not for kids. People like John Conyers and Barbara Boxer, Rep. Lee from Ohio, those figures who, in the words of Hillman, have wounds that have healed over the years. Mervyn Dymally who was the lone Dem to stand up to der Grope yesterday in California. The puers crumble in the face of the vast evil of the RW hatred and certainty. It is only the wily older fighters who have seen it all, Senator Byrd, for instance, who have the sense and the courage to stand up. Age is not the only factor, but it helps. It helps that many in the Senate now, like Reid and Kerry, for instance, may be at the edge of being in the wilderness and beaten down long enough that they may begin to take on some of these qualities. We can only hope.

Having pontificated at length here, I must say I have not read Lakoff, but I heard him speak not long ago. He does have some good vision for the Dems. He advocated coming up with a dramatic proposal like heavily investing in alternative energy, for instance. But this would never succeed just because the nurturtant parent says it would be good. No, it would need to come about in some other way, with other things attached, even with the cooperation of the Repubs, who would have to be tricked into it. Odysseus was a master strategist and trickster, he and the deity Athena came up with the Trojan horse. He outwitted the giant cyclops. He is an everyman who hung out with the troops, not off in his elite tent like Agamemnon. The Dems would be well advised to start listening to us, for starters.



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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 02:33 PM
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2. In the parental model,
The Dems are currently playing the role of "helpless battered wife." Our leaders are curling into a ball when they should be fighting back and dialing 911. All the messages in the world won't help if our own leaders keep voting against us.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:02 PM
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4. Yes, and they keep thinking if they just keep quiet
it will be okay.

The California Dems did this yesterday when they didn't allow a peep of resistance over a Republican taking over as Secretary of State, thinking, "this is different," and "this time he has integrity," and "this time if we are quiet, the beast won't hurt us!"
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 02:53 PM
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3. A Great Post - Odysseus (and commentary) will be my summer read!
!

Thanks for some great References!

:-)
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:05 PM
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5. Please post what you come up with!
Check out the Robert Fagles translation of Odysseus, and don't forget to read James Hillman in The Puer Papers, his essay on Odysseus.

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 06:07 PM
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6. Will do - but we are getting into the short term memory phase of life
so any post will be quick and dirty - so to speak.

Indeed one of the joys of this age is the lack of a need to buy much new fiction - as one forgets it in a year or two and it is again a good read!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:49 AM
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7. emailed Comments on Lakoff's work- as quoted by ABCNEWS
From "Cyberian":

"I think the Dems' awakening to message discipline is long overdue. Lakoff's work is not "theories", it's "Message 101", a skill mastered by the GOP long ago. The author of the article I just read seems to believe, as do most arrogant Rethuglycans, that the reason for their "mandate" is that they are more "in touch with mainstream American values". The "mandate" is an opiate pipe dream, and as the private-account and Schiavo debacle prove, they have lost whatever touch they once had with mainstream values. They can be had. But Dem ideas have stopped resonating; since Ronald Reagan's legacy and the creation of the Right-Wing media machine, the GOP has been much more successful at framing debates and issues to Americans on their terms. Lakoff's contribution is crucial to a new and rising Donkey; he focuses on and brings the power of totems, icons, associative words, and subliminal messages to the task of communicating to Americans a basic, essential message: "Elect the Democrat" for WHATEVER post is at stake. The GOP takes this message framing for granted; their structure takes care of framing, issue ID, and message delivery at a very fundamental level (pun intended). But as Bill Bradley showed in his remarkable Op-Ed in the NYT yesterday, it is a skill sadly lacking in the upside-down pyramid Dem model he posited."

From Keith Powers, University of Dayton:

"After reading Lakoff's book, I found myself in disagreement with many of Lakoff's ideas — big and small. In fact, I disagreed with his entire premise that linguistics can save progressives. I did, at times, agree with some of his smaller points though. Nevertheless, four months later I find myself in some agreement with his linguistic principles."

"The effect of these 'framings' won't be apparent right away, if they work it will take years. It IS a total reconstruction of peoples ideas. Also, as a young person with state-level campaign experience, I've realized that many campaigns begin with your base and end with the middle. This is what I see happened in 2004. The Democrats may have been hurt by the Christian conservatives, but they lost in the middle. The Republicans, after years of work, convinced middle America that their values were correct, it's absurd to think otherwise, and portrayed themselves as strong and organized. The Republicans used language and arguments to trivialize outside beliefs. I think your typical middle class mother can be swayed left or right, she can identify with family values but she also might have attended a liberal college and is a pro-choice. The way to win these middle Americans is to use all tools — including language."

"Anyways, I think the Democrats are fools if they think Lakoff will save their party. They need organization, money, and direction. But, I think its the kind of forward thinking the party needs and a step in the right direction. Anyone who's played a game of darts (or who actually knows the game) knows something: always stay on offense, never play defense. That is what the Democrats are finally doing. It might take years, it might not work as they expect, but it will do something . . . eventually."

"So, I think its important to consider Lakoff's ideas, not as the platform for the Democrats, but as a tool for change."

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chomskyite_naderite Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 10:54 AM
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8. oh boy, more rich and famous people who will save us
yawn

When will we learn that rich and famous people cannot be put in charge of the rest of us. Our slogans and buzzwords should be created through egalitarian software taking input from the people on the internet.

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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 12:49 AM
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10. Reading 'The Note' or root canal?
I think I'd choose root canal.

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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 04:25 PM
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11. nt
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 04:25 PM by cestpaspossible
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