Another reason not to nominate Hillary

[Ken Burch]

God help us, she is trying to mold herself into a "Scoop Jackson" Democrat.

That means she's going to be for unlimited and massive defense spending, unlimited war, and cuts in social services(if you can argue that we still have any)to pay for the above.

She will also, it means, defend Israel without question and destroy any hope of justice for the Palestinians.

Nominating another hawk means abandoning everything we stand for.
It means the end of the party.

For the love of god, don't do it.

Unless, of course, you WANT the Greens to wipe us out.

[NJ Democrats]

1. So?

Scoop Jackson wasn't That bad. Also, do you realize what the Palestinians do? Their not victims, there the criminals.

[Deja Q]

3. Two sides of the same coin.

They're all victims of someone else's politics. Both sides are.

[LiberalVoice]

7. Oh fucking please.

Who has killed more innocent civilians every single year since the occupation, Israel or Palestine? A terrorist is a terrorist but dont try to make it out like the Palestinians are ALL bad and Israel is just trying to protect itself.

[Dr.Phool]

8. Scoop Jackson WAS that bad

Vietnam war hawk. And you have criminals on both sides of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

And how did you manage to spell "they're" wrong 2 different ways in the same sentence?

[Ken Burch]

24. And Scoop Jackson helped give us BEN WATTENBERG,

that right-wing scumbag who has been millions of dollars to do show on PBS in which he wages a scorched earth campaign of retribution against anyone who ever wore a McGovern button.

And who now has a lifetime sinecure at the American Enterprise Institute, where he trashes his supposed party every day for the benefit of his corporate masters.

[Frederik]

9. LOL

I's just visitn these sight and usly I's hang out on 'other sight, tho the rules says I caint say the name of the other sight.

[LiberalVoice]

12. lmao nt

[htuttle]

10. A friend of mine got arrested once for spitting on Scoop Jackson

Always been proud of him for that.

[Ken Burch]

15. Scoop Jackson's Senate office was the incubation chamber

of the modern neoconservative movement(and its ancestor, Democrats for Nixon).

Scoop thought it was fine for Vietnamese people and black, brown and working class white American draftees to be slaughtered, because at least it created jobs at Boeing.

Hillary, we can now assume, would be exactly the same.

War without end, amen, amen.

[FightinNewDem]

16. ...which says a lot about your level of sophistication

[Ken Burch]

17. No, the past is a good predictor of the future

And the record of Scoop Jackson warns us about what a future "Scoop Jackson Democrat" would inevitably do.

We don't need another Democratic president who won't listen to dissent. It's just not worth it.

[Ken Burch]

18. Oh, wait a minute. were you responding to me or the guy

whose friend did the spitting?

[Jim Sagle]

25. FNA right.

Last time we repudiated Scoop Jackson as a party we got Ronnie Raygun. Smart move.

[Ken Burch]

26. Wrong. Carter destroyed his popularity and provoked the Draft Teddy

movement by switching to a hawk position on foreign policy after 1978.

He lost because he made it look like he was becoming indistinguishable from Reagan.

And Reagan got reelected because Mondale had all the charisma of a month-old plate of lutefisk.

[Deja Q]

2. Whew boy, time to get the flame-resistant suit.

I'd rather see the Greens win. They're not corporate, and that alone speaks VOLUMES. Especially when the corporate sector doesn't give a damn about the workforce. The disconnect must end.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. I'd rather see the Greens lose

by having ALL their positions co-opted by the Democrats. We have the base, we have the structure; if we only had the ideas, we might win an election or two.

[Lisaben2619]

19. Speaking as a proud Green...

that would make me really happy! I would return to the Dems in a heartbeat if our Green positions were co-opted.

[thegreatwildebeest]

20. You have a base...

You have a base thats mostly reliant on large financial donors and professional politicos, you have a structure that is seeping with Blue Dog Democrats and corporate-crats like Lieberman and Hillary. The Democratic Party, as a national organization, could not adapt half of the Green party platform without having a conniption. I don't even consider the Green Party platform that radical, but then again, I'm pretty out there on a limb anyways.

[Ken Burch]

23. If Hillary is nominated, we can assume

that the Green vote will again go back towards 3 million.

Maybe 10 million.

It will be impossible to hold progressive support for another DLC ticket on another DLC platform.

We'll simply have no convincing case we can make to progressives and people of conscience for backing a Clinton/Warner or Clinton/Bayh ticket like the DLC would insist on.

[Frederik]

4. Amen

Just say NO to political dynasties. Especially when America has been ruled by the Bush-Clinton family since 1981.

Did you read Hillary's speech at the AIPAC convention? The evil Iranians are coming to nuke us if we don't stop them right now, in case you didn't know it.

[bahrbearian]

5. Oh No .. Not the Greens,, Not the Greens.. Why everything would

would, would, be Progressive,

[uppityperson]

6. Patience, no one is going to be nominated soon.

And patience for all the people who are trying to figure out what to do in 2008. While not ignoring 2008 elections, let's keep working on things for right now and for the 2006 elections.

And for those who will now flame me for saying they are obsessing only about 2008 and ignoring now and 2006, that is not what I mean.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

11. I'm sorry, but please, respectfully, with all that is holy and good,

shut up. You evidently think you have mastered the skill of mind reading or you would have posted a link to where you got all of this "insight."

This subject has been talked to death in numerous DU threads. Either Hillary will be the nominee or not but there is so much more to worry about in the next 18 months that what Hillary will or won't do in three years. Getting all postal on us this early in the game is certainly a waste of energy. Things turn on a dime and worrying about who might represent the Democratic party is really futile in June 2005.

I don't want to wipe anyone out, Green or otherwise, but I could certainly use a little peace and quiet on the Hillary histrionics for a while. JMHO

[Katidid]

14. Speaking of 'Scoop Jackson', does anyone know why

the CIA seized and 'scrubbed' his files in February of this year?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/15/201851/101

[libodem]

21. I have a love/hate relationship

with how I feel about Hillary. I don't like how the right bashes her and they love to do it. They seem to be setting her up against Condibot in their fantasy presidential run-off.

[Ken Burch]

22. That would be a contest worthy of Celebrity Deathmatch!