Rumsfeld outrage: compares Bush critics (Democrats) to Hitler appeasers

[DeepModem Mom]

CNN/AP: Rumsfeld: Bush foes lack courage on terror
August 29, 2006


Administration critics suffer "moral and intellectual confusion" on terrorisim, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday.

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Tuesday accused critics of the Bush administration's Iraq and counterterrorism policies of lacking the courage to fight terror.

In unusually explicit terms, Rumsfeld portrayed the administration's critics as suffering from "moral and intellectual confusion" about what threatens the nation's security.

In remarks prepared for delivery to the American Legion's national convention, Rumsfeld recited what he called the lessons of history, including the failed efforts to appease the Adolf Hitler regime in the 1930s.

"I recount this history because once again we face the same kind of challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism" he said.

Rumsfeld spoke to an American Legion convention as part of a coordinated White House strategy, in advance of the fifth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, aiming to take the offensive against administration critics at a time of doubt about the future of Iraq and how long U.S. troops must remain there....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/29/rumsfeld.ap/index.html

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. Can't something be done to silence this miserable little *****?

God, I don't know which one I despise more - this ***** or Cheney.

[wordpix]

16. this **** is working hand in glove with Cheney & the only way to shut him

up is get him out of his comfortable air-conditioned office for good. Ditto for Dickwad.

[Skittles]

83. neither hand is gloved when it is up bush's puppet ass

no

[Ian_rd]

40. This is good news. Their rhetoric is getting more and more ridiculous

Sure, there will always be the block of brainless bed-wetters who allow their thoughts to be completely shaped by anything these a-holes say, but the fact that the Right has gotten so ridiculous in their statements is proof that fewer and fewer people are buying their bullshit and its making them desperate.

Can you imagine Rummy saying this in 2001 or 2002? There's no way he would have. These words, like Orrin Hatch's comments about the terrorists hoping for a Democratic victory in November, are just the inevitable progression of a political party that rules with fear and manipulation, upping the ante each time until they will probably be soon claiming that the Rapture is at hand, George W. Bush is Jesus Christ, and liberals are the forces of Satan.

So let them keep talking, I say. Every time they do they lose more respect and support.

Keep talking righties, you're only helping us!

[TheCowsCameHome]

50. Good points. They're digging their own graves.

[immoderate]

53. I agree. They are desperate. Had to play the Hitler card.

He's right about fighting fascism though, just wrong about where it's coming from.

--IMM

[Just-plain-Kathy]

99. I'm thinking ...the GOP had to play the Hitler card...

They want to beat us to the punch. For years now, most of us thought of Bush as a Hitler clone.

The comparison was never used openly and officially as democratic talking point. They want to use the Hitler reference on us, before we use it on them -in the "main stream media".

[immoderate]

115. Welcome to DU Just-plain-Kathy

:hi:

An interesting thought. Nobody said these people were competent. I think they are playing with fire. Who is our Hitler? We know who theirs is.

--IMM

[4_TN_TITANS]

125. Excellent point... thank-you!

The article got my blood boiling and I was ready to spew into a rant, but you put it into the proper perspective. Dumsfeld's comments are so out of the park at this point that they only help us. Keep it up Rummy!

[NVMojo]

2. the fuckwad is campaigning on the taxpayer's dime again ..was just in Reno

yesterday flapping his lying jaws. Also went out to Fallon NAS and spoke to about 40 troops there. Lying piece of shit.

[CJCRANE]

3. Except "Hitler"

keeps changing every week. First it was bin Laden, then Saddam, then Zarqawi, then Nasrallah. Who's next?

The reality as always is the opposite. Rumsfeld and co are the rising tide of global fascism.

[rfranklin]

8. Who's Hitler?

Wasn't he a Civil War general?

[rrasile]

38. Hitler

No but if you check deep enough you'll see that old George's family had some real close ties to the Nazis. Hell any dumb ass can see who in modern times are most like the Nazis.
As for the press, they are so fair that this morning I watched or more like listened to a CNN reporter going to the bathroom while GW was on the air.

[burf]

97. Wasn't Venezuela President Hugo Chavez

Hitler a while back? There are so many, it's hard to keep track!

[ms liberty]

105. Amadinajhad (sp?)...you know, that "new" Nazi country - Iran! n/t

[JuniperLea]

4. He's right!

"we face the same kind of challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism"


Oh my! Has he forgotten which side he's on? He is absolutely right! I'm surprised to hear him talk about himself in that manner!

:p

[Thoreau-Ly]

75. Right!

But, rising???!!!

[Kailassa]

129. Not "of", he meant "to". n/t

[Canuckistanian]

5. He's the POSTER BOY for "moral and intellectual confusion"

Hey, Rumsferatu! How many killed, maimed and tortured on your orders today?

[DemInDistress]

6. I don't recall any terror coming from Iraq prior to and after the

Sept. 11 attacks. Except if the BFEE were terrorized by Saddam dumping the Dollar and switching to
Euros in 2000.

[AlinPA]

7. He blatantly claims that Abu Ghraib was a myth and a lie. They have

pictures of what went on there. Trying to pass Abu Ghraib off as a lie.....talk about fascism!

[ComerPerro]

30. sort of like, oh, I don't know, denying the Holocaust?

They aren't the only ones who can do Nazi references

[fooj]

78. Most excellent point, ComerPerro!

[TechBear_Seattle]

9. If we had the gonads to fight terror, we'd impeach the a-hole in the WH!

I get tired of the terrorists running this country constantly shrieking that any criticism of the Figurehead is destroying America. :banghead:

[KamaAina]

10. Secretaries of Defense who live in glass houses...

I'd go easy on the Hitler comparisons if I were them!

[eShirl]

18. good call! (n/t)

[slor]

11. Those that say that shit overlook the fact that...

long before Chamberlain could "appease" Hitler, the German people had surrendered their will to him. Without that, there would have been no Hitler to appease. Well guess what folks...we are the ones that were trying to stop our fellow citizens from giving Hitler the power, so rummy can go suck a donkey d*ck !

[Thoreau-Ly]

82. How About

A Congressional donkey dick around, say, January?

Fucker belongs in prison.

You here me, you FISA criminals? A DUTCH PRISON.

[Pacifist Patriot]

12. Kiss my ass, Heinrich.

Oops, Donald. My bad.

[beltanefauve]

13. And why is

Donny hitting the road these days anyhow? We haven't heard a peep from this heartless, brainless fascist in months and then suddenly he's making comments here there and everywhere. This is an administration that doesn't have policy issues. To them, everything's a marketing issue. Something tells me his sudden visibility is part of some grander, darker scheme.

[ms liberty]

106. Well, we're almost out of August - time to roll out the new product...

and that new and improved enemy is - that's right kiddies, you guessed it! - IRAN!

[GrantDem]

14. Ignore the crazy senile old man...

Maybe he will go away

[grizmaster]

15. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, SHEESH!

apologies to any pots and/or kettles that may have been offended at being compared to rummy.

[Lindacooks]

19. You're right.

And welcome to DU!

This administration is also the poster child for projection - blaming critics for the things that THEY do.

[Blutodog]

86. Chutzpuh!!

This guy has fucking nerve doesn't he? Calling anyone who opposes him and his FASCIST Gang fascists? I hope there is a special place in HELL for these people. Their all beneath contempt.

[Harry Monroe]

17. Hey everyone...

...be a good little patriot and shut yer yap. Take the example of the Germans of the '30's to heart. Don't question your government, just go along with what they are doing. Lie back, relax and just take it. There, there don't you all feel better already (is this necessary??: :sarcasm: )

”What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”
Hitler, Adolf

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials


Note to Rummy: Most of us are not stupid!!!!!!

[wordpix]

21. thanks for your quotes-Rummy's taken a lesson from Hitler's & Goering's

own playbook :puke:

[Harry Monroe]

23. Here's one more...

...“The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus become vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State”

Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister to Adolph Hitler

[gasperc]

26. it takes awhile for your mind to wrap around that shit

how warped, and sad that a majority can still fall for this shit

[Career Prole]

20. Rumsfeld is so insipid...so useless...so obnoxious...

...that even Joe Lieberman thinks he should quit.
It just doesn't get any worse than that.
:evilgrin:

[sidpleasant]

93. The Connecticut Comb - Over didn't want Rummy to quit until 2 weeks ago

Joementum argued that Rumsfeld was doing a swell job until two weeks ago. I guess that poll showing him in a dead heat with Ned Lamont might have helped change Joe's mind?

[gasperc]

22. Hi I'm Donny Rumsfeld and I'm a fucking failure

the same dipshit who said he was surprised by how clever the enemy was.

oh what a fuck wad

[Pacifist Patriot]

24. I could never respect a man responsible for bringing aspartame to market.

[Harry Monroe]

27. We have HIM to blame for diet sodas???

Ugh. I CAN'T STAND the taste of artifical sweetners. But my wife says give it a chance and you'll get used to it. Sorry, I'll never get used to diet sodas. Kinda of like I'll never get used to accepting and trusting my government.

Question it!!!!! Note to Rummy: We're not stupid!!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. It's not just the taste, that stuff is poison.

But I probably just opened up a huge ole can of worms with that pronouncement.

[Felinity]

46. Little known fact

Just before aspartame hit the market, the Company that held the patent (sorry, I forget which drug co.) made a significant donation to the University of Texas, in return for which a study about to be published by UT (I would guess biochemistry department) was deep sixed. The study concluded that it was a horrible substance and not fit for human consumption. All the parties involved were gagged. I find out about it because I know someone who had been hearing about it from an acquaintance before the gag.

Now that I know Rumsfield was involved, it makes a lot more sense.

[Pacifist Patriot]

56. Monsanto

Also big into doping up the livestock in our animal husbandry segment of the economy.

[PegDAC]

96. The only advantage

it has over saccharine is that, with saccharine, there's that whole projectile vomiting thing. :puke:

[gasperc]

nor one who doodles in front of the troops

what an EMBARRASSMENT, and not to speak of the thousands of dead, maimed and ruined by this war and the diastourous decisions of this loon. and, and they won't even admit to the necessity to increase troops to put down the insurgency nor of course our position of tactical re-deployment of our troops.

[Harry Monroe]

25. Homegrown facism, that is...

..."I recount this history because once again we face the same kind of challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism" he said.

[Ishoutandscream2]

28. Wow, this must be the new talking point

Last week, a person I work with called me an appeaser and said I would make Neville proud. Then she referred to the Iraqi's we are fighting and Hezbollah as "the new Reich." Must be the Bushbot memo to the faithful.

[DeepModem Mom]

59. I wonder if this is why they started using the word "IslamoFASCISTS"? nt

[theanarch]

101. actually, there's a secondary reason...

...to invoke fascism, Nazi-ism, Hitler, etc; they're wrapping the WOT in Greatest Generation tissue (of lie) paper, a mere rhetorical device to associate their resource-Abu Grahibing militarism with something most Americans have positive feelings towards--defeating the Axis Powers (rebranded/remarketed as the Axis of Evil) and liberating half the planet from their despotism. It's why they said "liberating" Baghdad in 2003 would be a replay of liberating Paris in 1944.

[beltanefauve]

127. Similar use of rhetoric

with 9-11. "Ground Zero" is a 1950's term used during the Cold War to describe the aftermath of nuclear war, and is certainly not lost on the "Greatest Generation". No fear-mongering with that one, is there? :sarcasm:

[madrchsod]

29. no one listens or believes what he says except those

in nursing homes ,mental wards, and those who believe bush is the new messiah.

[ms liberty]

107. True, it's only that 25-30%, but...

it's the repitition in the so-called liberal media that does the real work. If they can create enough uncertainty about Iran, that's all they need. Bingo, we've got us another Republicult majority in Congress, and another war of agression. Damn them to hell.

[humbled_opinion]

118. truth lies here...

The goal of the GOP, as I see it, is to get those sheeple that cannot think for themselves to believe that the terror threat is real and that it effects them directly. They must hype the Brush policies i.e., if it was not for Brush's policies (subverting FISA, Torture, Detention) that we would cetainly have been attacked by now since OBL is still on the loose and the Al-Qeada chaps have permeated the world like a cancer and now we must fear the Hezbollah group because that too is trying to kill all of us led by the Shiite Iranians just like the Nazi's tried to kill the Jews in the 1930's...

There is method to the madness... just hope that enough wake up to end this nightmare quick.

[acmejack]

31. I resigned form both of those organizations some time ago in protest.

They made there comments about how me should comport ourselves in order to be patriotic, which I figured I had proved that I knew to everybody's satisfaction already. To hell with them and to hell with their choice of speakers. I have no need of these groups, the Veterans For Peace are now there only Veterans group that I belong to.

I only liked the other groups for cheap drinks, fraternity and the gambling anyway. I don't miss a bunch of rightwing wardogs that much all.

[ComerPerro]

32. Weren't some of Hitler's biggest supporters in the US conservatives?

[jmowreader]

35. One of Hitler's biggest supporters in the US was W's grandfather!

It seems that one Prescott Bush, grandfather of the village idiot, was an officer in the Union Banking Company--which was seized by the United States Government under provisions of the Trading with the Enemy Act for financing the Third Reich.

[ComerPerro]

47. I know, that's what I'm saying. Crazy, isn't it?

[TankLV]

116. and the assets were siezed THREE TIMES!

They just didn't "stop" when ordered to do so, so the NAZI bush* family continued to FUND HITLER while my father and uncles were fighting them TWO MORE TIMES!

[dapper]

34. Wow, everyone must be confused....

See it was I who felt Bush was very much like Hitler, I am not trying to appease Hitler and I am far from appeasing Bush.

Maybe it is Dumbsfeld, I mean Rumsfeld who is confused. We need to get these fuckers out of office and the sooner the better.

Dap

[snappyturtle]

36. Definition of fascism:

www.m-w.com/dictionary/fascism


Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality


Doesn't this sound like the United States? What in the hell does rummy think WE are?
Am I reading this definition incorrectly??? i hope so.

[Bob3]

37. we are in absolutely no confusion about who threatens

the nation's future and Security.

You do. You and your boy-thug of a president and walking corpse of Vice President. It was on your watch 9/11 took place. You still have not caught or confirmed the death of Osama Ben Ladden. You abandoned Afghanistan leaving to the war lords and the reborn Tali-ban. You are the ones that invaded Iraq country that had, as the president has admitted, noting to do with 9-11 for reasons we can still only guess at because you refuse to tell the truth. You are the ones, who once the bad idea of invading Iraq was finished, botched the occupation by a mind boggling combination of corruption, greed, fear and arrogance. Because you mistaken small minded ill tempered stubbornness for will you are the one insisting that the US military keep pouring blood, equipment, and treasure into the sand trap that iraq has turned into, badly damaging the ability of the military to respond to another grout conflict should it arise. You are the ones waging war on something you call Islamofacisim in which you lump the Sunni, Al Queda, The secular Baath party, Shiite Iran, Hezbollah and Humas an alliance so unlikely that it should be exhibited next to the Unicorn. You are the ones obsessed with internal enemies and spent much time accusing your opponents of being in league with this country's enemies. Your arrogance has damaged our relationships with the outside world. You have shrugged your shoulders at the killing of civilians and the use of torture. You are ones waving and empty saber case at Iran, hinting in your madness that you would use Nukes. You are why America arouses fear and loathing world wide. Yes they hate us, they hate us because we are monsters. You are the ones who have drained our Treasury with tax cuts to those who already had most but who wanted more and you payments to corrupt insider companies who see a government contract as nothing more than a feed trouth allowing them to suck down our damn tax dollars.

You refuse to acknowledge mistakes or even the actual reality of events. you've increased the gap between rich and poor, black and white north and south and have set people against people merely to suit your own needs. You've shown contempt for the idea of a nation of laws and representative democracy the two founding principles of our nation.

You are swine. You should be tarred, feathered, beaten,whipped and driven from the land.

[The Wizard]

88. Walking corpse

I like that. Seen him lately? Looks very bloated like he's retaining fluids. He leaves office for health reasons and Bush appoints McCain VP.
The whipping part works too, a public whipping. Hey. I wouldn't piss in his mouth if his throat was on fire. Rummy would pimp his gay lover if he thought no one would find out.

[Clyde39]

39. Let's hope the media won't let him get away with comparing us to Hitler

appeasers. If he wants to make decent Americans really angry, this is the way to do it!

[robbedvoter]

45. Of course not! When did the MSM ever cover for this bunch?

:sarcasm:

[sui generis]

41. oh great googley moogley oh my stars and garters

did he actually manage to say something without sounding like his hair was in a bun and he was wearing an apron and baking an apple pie? With apologies to real grannies everywhere, that man out-grannies Granny Clampett.

Isn't it funny how the republican best offense is to accuse everyone else of precisely the deed they are themselves doing. Look, over there, a shiny thing (yawn).

Now we're supposed to debate how terrible it is to be called a fascist and compared to Hitler's legions instead of the real issue.

Rumsfeld, you were a miserable failure in Vietnam, and you are still a miserable failure. You are the one prosecuting this war, and you are failing. You underestimated the cost, the time in occupation, and the strategy for Plan A, much less even a nod to Plan B or C, or utter failure, which is where we are right now.

Go ahead with your pathetic lame-ass (thx again Skinner) name calling - but you're still a failure and you can still talk about fascists and hitler and the diameter of Uranus if it makes you happy but it doesn't change the fact that you are the one who is responsible for failing here.

:rant:

[mnhtnbb]

49. It's called projection. They accuse others of what they are doing.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

42. The only appeasers who bother me are the DINOs

Kissing W's butt.

God, Rumsfeld looks more like Dr. Strangelove every time I see him.

[robbedvoter]

43. From the guy who wanted a blitz krieg? Good one, Rummy!

[young_at_heart]

44. I wish he'd come to my town........we'd show him our "patriotism"

He is outrageous and should be fired!

[chelsea0011]

48. So Hitler and his enormous military machine marching through

Europe compares to a largely underground loosely knit group(s) capable of unleashing terrible attacks. And let's be truthful (something these war criminals are incapable of), when Germany declared war on the US and Japan invaded the country was nearly 100% on board to fight the Axis. Nearly every man and woman sacrificed with all their might including massive lost of life to stop Hitler. I simply don't see that response to what these clowns call the global war on terror. Indeed few, if any, have family members enlisting to go to the illegal war in Iraq. Rummy is simply a disgrace and war criminal. A liar, who should be held accountable for all his crimes.

[Exultant Democracy]

51. DU face it there is a "rising threat of a new type of fascism"

and Rummy is one of it's leaders.

[wisteria]

52. I notice a pattern here. This is their new schick.

They are trying to make us believe we are fighting the new Hitler. from, Hannity, Coulter, Bush, Chaney and now Rummie. However, instead of one man bent on taking over the world, we have a lot of little Hitlers. (They are getting desperate)
Be afraid, they are coming to get us over here, if we don't get them over there. We must continue to deal with them by demonstrating our incompetence, our lack of knowledge on how to properly conduct a war on terror, by our overt concern about their oil and by continuing to continuing the course of this war in a way that makes absolutely no sense. Why, we are even staying on their terms, because, as our leaders' logic goes, if we leave to undertake a smarter path, they will say they won. Who really is in control here?

I say the Democrats truly have the right idea. We need a new direction and a course in order to fight terrorism. These NEOCONS are crazy.

[Bob3]

54. You'd think they'd toss in a new Stalin or something for variety

this "he's the new Hitler" shouting when we find ourselves at odds (not at war mind you, at odds) with another country is getting damn old.

And please stop using 1938. We not about to give osma the Sudetenland so just stop it.

[donco6]

63. I think they're creating a "BoogeyHitler".

They can't even point to "a lot of little Hitlers" - they're painting an invisible enemy . . . one that MIGHT BE RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

It's sickening.

[ms liberty]

108. I agree, wisteria...they've been playing this tune all day...

This is their new meme. Scare everyone about the "new fascism," and fold in the already building "terra threat" from Iran. Mix thoroughly, cook a pre-specified period of time, and voila! election theft explained away, and a new war emerge from the oven.

[Pierre.Suave]

55. I propose it is them that

is suffering from Moral and Intellectual confusion regarding teh CAUSES of the threats to national security...Not to mention that I believe they ARE the biggest threat to national security we got, as well as democracy, freedom, etc...

[femmedem]

57. This is just so ludicrous that I wonder if it's a set-up.

Tin foil hat time: Is he about to be forced to resign?

[KikiDisme]

58. Senile old fart

I can't believe he isn't booed off the stage...isn't he addressing the American Legion? Is he a veteran? Haven't these bastards cut veterans funding? They must screen the audience because I know my dad and his cronies would have gone off on him. I love watching the news with my dad because every time one of the Repukes talk about the troops, he starts yelling "What do you know, DRAFT DODGER???" He's come a long way...he used to watch Faux News.

And remember: "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag."--Huey Long

[w4rma]

60. Yes. Those who appease *Bush* lack the courage to fight terror. (nt)

[Ikonoklast]

61. Herr Field Marshall Von Rumsfeld is ignorant of history

Chamberlain knew that he was negotiating a temporary peace with Nazi Germany; the British gov't was well aware that war was coming no matter what they did to 'appease' Hitler. Britain at that time could not go toe-to-toe with Germany militarily, either in manpower or modern weaponry, and they knew it. Time was traded for a ramp-up of military production and training.

If the war would have come two years later than it did, the disaster of Dunkirk would not have happened. The British would have been able to at least reach parity in manpower and tactics.

No war= no military contracts= no huge war profits= no Republicans getting donations.
Fortunes are made in chaotic situations. Speculators HATE stable markets.


It's all about the money; always was and always will be.

[StaggerLee]

65. War is a racket

The neocons can't have democracy gettin' in the way of the profits.

Priorities ya know. :mad:

[salinen]

62. Try giving that same speech

in Berkeley instead of Salt Lake City, fucklips.

[Blue Belle]

64. More of the Pot calling the Kettle Fascist...

Last time I checked, it was the Fascists who faulted others for questioning authority... perhaps he's looking at the wrong history book.

[mikelgb]

66. bush admin loves projecting

another classic example

he think's he's looking through the window at his opponent but he is really looking in the mirror

[liberal N proud]

67. Das must protect de Furor

I think this monster is more dangerous that the idiot pretending to be president. He has the keys to the guns.

[NNadir]

68. I hope he and I live to see him in a cell in the Hague.

[LynneSin]

69. Interesting coming from Joseph Goeb...I mean Donald Rumsfeld

:shrug:

http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html

[donkeyotay]

70. Henny penny, Hitler appeasers

A little bit of criticism against a regime that has had no accountability for it's failed policies and even continues to find other countries to invade, and the next thing you know it's "henny penny, hitler appeasers."

DONALD RUMSFELD: The images you are seeing on television you are seeing over and over and over, and it's the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase, and you see it 20 times and you think, "my goodness, were there that many vases?" (Laughter) Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?

REPORTER: Do you think that the words "anarchy" and "lawlessness" are ill-chosen...

DONALD RUMSFELD: Absolutely. I picked up a newspaper today and I couldn't believe it. I read eight headlines that talked about chaos, violence, unrest. And it just was Henny-Penny, "the sky is falling." I've never seen anything like it. And here is a country that's being liberated, here are people e going from being repressed and held under the thumb of a vicious dictator, and they're free. And all this newspaper could do, with eight or ten headlines, they showed a man bleeding, a civilian, who they claimed we had shot... one thing after another. It's just unbelievable how people can take that away from what is happening in that country. Do I think those words are unrepresentative? Yes.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/roundup_04-11.html

[TankLV]

117. Yes - it is amazing how TRUTH gets in the way of their efforts to wish it

the other way round, isn't it rummy!

[Montauk6]

71. Does this mean the "ban" on comparing Bush to Der Fuhrer is now lifted?

[Strawman]

72. You have no credibility on what is a threat, Rummy. You smug f-ing liar

[Thoreau-Ly]

80. Another Punch Line

In the sick f***ing joke that is this Administration.

It's like, this shit is so goddamn ridiculous how can anything like this come out of any rational person's mouth?

Oh...

[The Wizard]

73. Somewhere in all of this

there's a Mel Brooks movie waiting to be made.
"Der Fuerher was kind. Der Fuerher was sweet. Often he would say to me, Franz Ouch........"
with apologies to Kenneth Mars

[alvarezadams]

74. I agree with Rummy

We're confronting fascists, we're appeasing them.

Unfortunately they currently occupy the WH.

-------------

As for the Churchill reference and the vapid palaver regarding "appeasement" plus Churchill references:

"If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable (as Hitler) to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations"
Winston Churchill, in his Great Contemporaries, 1937

[mnhtnbb]

76. An excellent article on the real threat of fascism in the US

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=27509&mode=nested&order=0

[fooj]

77. Projection...

It's what he does best. What an asshole. No...a treasonous rat, bastard is what HE is.

[The Backlash Cometh]

79. Who was Hitler's right-hand man in the military?

That's Rumsfeld's role

[AlinPA]

87. Hermann Goering, I think. He said: "The people can always be brought

to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

--Hermann Goering, Nazi Germany S.S
at the Nuremberg Trials

[The Backlash Cometh]

102. The Bush Administration had good mentors.

[Skittles]

81. this act is getting extremely old and tiresome

bush inc truly is insane

[grytpype]

84. Harry Reid's response from TPM

Secretary Rumsfeld’s reckless comments show why America is not as safe as it can or should be five years after 9/11. The Bush White House is more interested in lashing out at its political enemies and distracting from its failures than it is in winning the War on Terror and in bringing an end to the war in Iraq. If there's one person who has failed to learn the lessons of history it's Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld ignored military experts when he rushed to war without enough troops, without sufficient body armor, and without a plan to succeed. Under this Administration's watch, terror attacks have increased, Iraq has fallen into civil war, and our military has been stretched thin. We have a choice to make today. Do we trust Secretary Rumsfeld to make the right decisions to keep us safe after he has been so consistently wrong since the start of the Iraq War? Or, do we change course in Iraq and put in place new leadership that will put the safety of the American people ahead of partisan games? For the sake of the safety of this country, it is time to make a change.

[Blutodog]

85. Orwellian crap from the real fascists

These folks have been following Orwell's nightmare word for word. In fact they've improved on Orwell and even on the Crazy Gov't in the 80's kult klassix Brazil. These folks have created a truly new form of fascism a 21st century version more complete and more facile then anything that has come before. As VP Henry Wallace FDR's 1st VP said over 60 yrs. ago when Fascism appears in America it will come wrapped in the American flag. The Bu$h family has a long tradition of royalists and fascist thinking that extends back almost a century. The problem now is how do we get their boot off of our collective throats?

[amb123]

89. Wrong, Rummy! GOP = Fascist

The only difference between the Republican Party and the Nazi Party is that instead of shouting "Seig Heil!" they shout "Praise Jesus!"

AND THAT'S IT!

[L0oniX]

90. He's just another huge fascist ass carrot

Stick it way up yer arse Rummy.

[Joe Chi Minh]

91. Remember, up is down and left is right. You have to destroy the

village in order to save it. It all makes sense, once you get that trusty neocon compass out.

[DallasNE]

92. Excuse Me

But the person who like to boast about what is "unknowable" is in no position to talk about "moral and intellectual confusion" about what threatens the nation's security. Unknowable is unknowable --- except to those that correctly predicted what was supposed to be unknowable.

While Rumsfeld may "recall" a string of terrorist attacks and it should be obvious to anyone that terrorists must be confronted, not appeased it really has no bearing on his own record of failure. I certainly have not heard anybody talking about steps that could be considered appeasment when it comes to, say, capturing or killing bin Laden. If anybody is appeasing bin Laden it is Rumfeld in his approach to getting bin Laden, especially after letting him out the back door at Tora Bora.

In fact, I do see a great deal of intellectual confusion and it is coming from none other than Donald Rumsfeld.

[IWantAChange]

94. Relax - his name is Donald

and just like the Duck he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

[Anakin Skywalker]

95. Rummy the Dummy is the Confused One.

Bush IS Hitler, Mr. Donald "Joe Goebbels" Rumsfeld!

[Selteri]

98. Just another Neo-con Republican attack

attacking the traits in others that are better for edescribing themselves in order to make any rteply seem as though the ther side is unable to think creatively.

[Martin Eden]

100. "moral and intellectual confusion"

Those are Rummy's words, and they apply to himself more than anyone.

He is either confused, or a propagandist.

Perhaps a confused propagandist?

[McCamy Taylor]

103. Nosce te ipsum. Rummie would not recognize fascism if it conspired

to replace the rule of law and the US Constitution with pure executive whim and military thuggery.

[pinto]

104. I find it hard to put into words how offensive this is.

[onehandle]

109. Somebody give this guy a gun and send him to Iraq.

Sack of shit in a suit.

[ms liberty]

110. I've already responded several times to comments in this thread!

I'm so effing pissed off at these people! I've been hearing this fascism meme all day; THIS is their new product, and they're rolling it out now. I think they'll fold it into the whole Iran story. They want us scared, they want to keep power, and they want war with Iran. This is part of their plan, IMHO.

Thanks for posting this, DMM; even though it's driven my blood pressure up, it's one of those need to know kind of things. We need to be vigorously knocking this one down, ASAP, and as often as possible. The 25-30% who are total effing idiots already believe this steaming pile of doo, but the others are the ones I'm worried about. You know, the ones who will believe it once they hear it repeated a gazillion times in the so-called liberal media.

[slay]

112. Big Republican tactic - accuse your opponent of what you are - ie fascists

They are the fascists - or at least well on their way:

fascism - "A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong, centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism." (From The American Heritage Dictionary)

[slay]

111. Rumsfeld and Bush ARE THE TERROR we should be fighting!

They do nothing other than promote fear and hate at every turn, manipulate religious people, get our soldiers killed in Iraq over oil, give all our tax money to Haliburton, cut taxes for the rich, and run up the biggest deficit in history! Thanks alot assholes! :mad:

[BlueJac]

113. I say bring it on!!

Come to my house you little piece of shit and say that, you fucking asshole. I am 56 and would like to see you. These people are garbage and not worthy of leadership. A jail cell is waiting for most of them!!


IMPEACH the entire fucking bunch of them!

[TankLV]

114. As opposed to BEING a NAZI and having a stellar NAZI pedigree

like bush* and his fellow WAR CRIMINALS.

Should we dare mention bush*s grandfather PRESCOTT?

Not to mention his CRIMINAL siblings...

[guruoo]

119. Courage is easy when it's somebody else's kids on the line

[specimenfred1984]

120. Torture Camps: Nazis had them, Bushies have them

Scumsfeld didn't seem to mention that little tidbit.

[LibertyorDeath]

121. How old is this Fucker

Die already you fascist pos!

[Zambero]

122. This is the same man that once shook hands with Saddam?

Who was being appeased back then?

[Harry Monroe]

128. "Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein"

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index.htm

[sofa king]

123. Pro. Jec. Tion.

A couple of months ago I had to toss Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich behind the bed because the similarities between what his people were doing and what these people were doing was driving me crazy. I'll bet you every one of those bastards has a copy of that book locked up in a desk somewhere.

What's even crazier is how these fools consistently back history's biggest losers. They emulate the foreign policy and diplomacy of the Athenians, who were destroyed by the Persians and the Spartans. They emulate the military campaigns of Napoleon, who led his country to the brink of ruin twice and killed off two generations of men. And they adopt the absurd rhetoric, media control, and streetfight politics of the Nazis. Toss in their attempts to parrot the economic brilliance of an Argentinian military dictatorship and the religious extremism of the very people they're trying to fight and you've got a nation turned to shit, headed for the fan of a turbojet at takeoff--the most spectacular self-destruction history has ever known.

[Felix Mala]

124. To quote Gore Vidal (speaking to William Buckley):

"As far as I'm concerned, the only sort of proto- or crypto-Nazi I can think of is yourself."

[PurgedVoter]

126. This to Rumsfield, or was that Renfield?

I KNOW you are, but what am I?

[redqueen]

130. He's saying most people are morally and intellectually confused.

Does it really not occur to him that maybe it's him and the rest of the idiotic minority who agree with him that have it wrong?

[Sentath]

131. "moral confusion"

Haven't I seen that coded language elsewhere?
Like when "compassionate" conservative right wing faux Christians talk about gay people?

I think he just called * critics gay....

[d---mad2]

132. Keith Olberman just gave it to Rummy!

Yes folks there's a voice lurking out there primetime land, who is not in Bush's pocket
MSNBC's Countdown/Keith Olberman just delivered a KO punch to Rummy.
Finally someone with the cajones in the right place at the right time, to go after these low-life scumbags. Could this be "The start of something big?"-----------KUDOS TO YOU KEITH