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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:50 PM
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I'm confused....Obama and Clinton say they will support the
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 02:05 PM by mac2
Constitution and Bill of Rights if they are elected as President (might I remind everyone they didn't while in office). Actually they should be doing them now as Senators.
Then why are they saying as President they will "re-negotiate" trade policy? Trade policy is not their duty under the Constitution. Trade belongs to the people and Congress. No meetings by the President's unelected trade representatives behind closed doors is Constitutional.

Did they say they would declare the Constitution and Bill of Rights the law of the land? It is a sacred contract between the people and their government if we are to have a democracy. They'd do this on the first day like President Jefferson negating the Sedition Act by President Adams.

Habeas Corpus must be restored and torture policies denied.

We should also Withdraw our troops from any country not asking for our help? Rev. Moon is getting protection for his lakes is just plain fraud with our military lives and funds. Even if they are Blackwater they are getting public funds.

Any "signing statements" would be declared illegal since the President does not make law or change law under the Constitution. The Congress does that with the consent of the people. Did they say they would change those?

Executive Priviledge is just plain declaring the President king. It is against the Constitution since the people rule not one man. He is our employee not we his. He answers all questions by us. No secrets behind closed door discussions, etc. without our knowledge or input by elected officials. Are they going to oppose that?

No President can make the decision to dissolve our borders or territory without the Congress and the people. NAFTA as trade policy (although illegal by the Executive office) can not be world corporate government. How about the global plan (WTO/PNAC)being wrong and illegal candidates?

Any candidate who negotiates or follow other unelected people's agenda (Bilderberg Group, CFR, PNAC) for our countries goals is a traitor. It is also against the law since we never gave them to power to do so.

All the above have been done against the Constitution and Bill of Rights. To support any of these bills and agenda are not following and supporting the Constitution. Just the opposite. How can they explain away these things to us voters?

ETC.!

Explain that to me would you please candidates? Why should I trust you with my country when you have shown little to protect and defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights in the past?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:53 PM
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1. The executive negotiates treaties. The congress ratifies treaties. Read your constitution.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:55 PM
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2. A treaty is not trade or borders...or negating our Constitution
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 02:05 PM by mac2
NAFTA and WTO are not treaties they are trade policy. Global government is not a treaty or trade policy. It is a treason. Changes in our borders is not a treaty or trade.

Treaties can not be against our Constitution. The people have a say about any branch of our government and what they do in our name. They work for us.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:18 PM
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4. NAFTA was a treaty. As in "The NAFTA treaty."
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:40 AM
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5. The NAFTA "treaty"
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:31 AM by mac2
violates our Constitution since the people did not vote for it. They were in the street opposing its passage. One after the other CAFTA, etc. It removes all previous law and borders.

The people control trade through their representatives in Congress. It was a coup to remove our power over trade. Those trade reps meet behind closed doors making secret trade deals. They are unelected trade representatives who don't answer to Congress or the people.

Congress gave away their duty to control trade to unelected officials. It is not a treaty if it is trade and our borders...or our say and violates our Constitution.

Congress and the President had no right to do that unless the Constitution was ratified. NAFTA was undemocratic no matter what our government tells us.

Today they are using trade to form new government unions. It is treasonous.

I agree with the Constitution Party on these trade agreements although I won't vote for any of the candidates for President, etc.

"Tariffs and Trade

Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations." Congress may not abdicate or transfer to others these Constitutional powers. We oppose, therefore, the unconstitutional transfer of authority over U.S. trade policy from Congress to agencies, domestic or foreign, which improperly exercise policy-setting functions with respect to U.S. trade policy.

We favor the abolition of the Office of Special Trade Representative, and insist on the withdrawal of the United States from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), the World Trade Organization (WTO), and all other agreements wherein agencies other than the Congress of the United States improperly assume responsibility for establishing American trade policies.

Article I, Section 8 provides that duties, imposts, and excises are legitimate revenue-raising measures on which the United States government may properly rely. We support a tariff based revenue system, as did the Founding Fathers, which was the policy of the United States during most of the nation's history. In no event will the U.S. tariff on any foreign import be less than the difference between the foreign item's cost of production and the cost of production of a similar item produced in the United States. The cost of production of a U.S. product shall include, but not be limited to, all compensation, including fringe benefits, paid to American workers, and environmental costs of doing business imposed on business by federal, state, and local governments.

Tariffs are not only a constitutional source of revenue, but, wisely administered, are an aid to preservation of the national economy. Since the adoption of the 1934 Trade Agreements Act, the United States government has engaged in a free trade policy which has destroyed or endangered important segments of our domestic agriculture and industry, undercut the wages of our working men and women, and totally destroyed or shipped abroad the jobs of hundreds of thousands of workers. This free trade policy is being used to foster socialism in America through welfare and subsidy programs.

We oppose all international trade agreements which have the effect of diminishing America's economic self-sufficiency and of exporting jobs, the loss of which impoverishes American families, undermines American communities, and diminishes America's capacity for economic self-reliance, and the provision of national defense.

We see our country and its workers as more than bargaining chips for multinational corporations and international banks in their ill-conceived and evil New World Order.

We reject the trade concept of normal trade relations (Most Favored Nation status), used to curry favor with regimes whose domestic and international policies are abhorrent to decent people everywhere, and which are in fundamental conflict with the vital interests of the United States of America.

We strongly oppose unconstitutional "Trade Promotion Authority," which transfers the establishment of trade policy from Congress to the Executive branch of government.

In the name of free trade, multi-national corporations have been given tax breaks by the U.S. government which are not available to American businesses, and the money extracted from U.S. taxpayers has been used by the government to subsidize exports and encourage businesses to move abroad. Such improprieties must cease.

The United States government should establish the firm policy that U.S. or multinational businesses investing abroad do so at their own risk. There is no obligation by our Government to protect those businesses with the lives of our service personnel, or the taxes of our citizens.

In the area of national security, foreign interests have been abetted in gaining access to America's high-tech secrets under the guise of commercial enterprise. We propose that technology transfers which compromise national security be made illegal, and urge that all violators be prosecuted. We demand that all weapons systems, military uniforms and equipment purchased for the American military be domestically produced in their entirety along with all their component parts.

We oppose the practice of any officer of the United States government, or spouse thereof, who, subsequent to Federal government employment is employed to represent a foreign government or other foreign entity, public or private, for purposes of influencing public opinion or policy on matters affecting U.S. trade with such foreign government or entity."

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php




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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:02 PM
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3. Bush has ignored all treaties.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 02:08 PM by mac2
He and the Executive branch make their own law or lawlessness without support of the people or Congress.

Are they going to impeach Bush or even hold him accountable in the future?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:57 PM
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6. You say:
Trade policy is not their duty under the Constitution. Trade belongs to the people and Congress. No meetings by the President's unelected trade representatives behind closed doors is Constitutional.

I did not know this,butknowing it makes me pleased.

However, I doubt that something like NAFTA being Unconstitutional matters- once an agreement like NAFTA is signed, the Constitutional is superseded. In fact that is the whole point of these agreements - to make the people in the affected countries as powerless as possible.
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