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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:26 AM
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Democrats Vie to Shape an Obama Legislative Agenda
OCTOBER 30, 2008

Democrats Vie to Shape an Obama Legislative Agenda
Advisers, House Caucuses Jockey for Input Should Senator Win the Presidency; Tensions Over How Fast to Move on Big Issues
By JONATHAN WEISMAN
WSJ


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"It's better to let things evolve than to revolve. Revolutions are dangerous," cautioned Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, the House Majority Whip, who advises a pragmatic approach to governance that would begin with items that have proven bipartisan support before tackling ambitious elements such as universal health care."He's a national leader, Clyburn," House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel of New York snapped back, embodying the views of liberals who want to move fast on the most ambitious version of Obamanomics possible. "I'm thinking of his constituents, and he doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about."

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On Capitol Hill, three main factions are emerging with very different advice.

The first group, led by "old bull" liberals, wants to move fast on big-ticket issues such as universal health care and weaning the nation off Middle Eastern oil and on regulatory and labor issues, such as allowing unions to organize by getting would-be members to sign cards backing collective bargaining instead of submitting to secret ballots. Rep. Rangel argues that a President Obama would face a narrow window after the election to move on those big items, as well as his tax plan. That would raise the top two income-tax rates, raise capital-gains and dividend tax rates on upper-income families, and cut taxes on the middle class. Democrats need to have faith that a strong showing in the election indicates broad political backing, Rep. Rangel said. They should be emboldened by the $700 billion Wall Street bailout that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson secured. And he doesn't want to hear talk of containing the deficit. "For God's sake," he said, "don't ask me where the money will come from. I'm going to the same place Paulson went."

A second faction of more-conservative Democrats is focusing on fiscal discipline. With this fiscal year's deficit potentially approaching $1 trillion, these Democrats say the money for Sen. Obama's ambitious agenda simply isn't there. One of the first acts of the next Congress should be approving a bipartisan commission to tackle the deficit and the growth of entitlements, such as Medicare and Medicaid, argue the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Democrats, who say they will have the numbers to make the demands. "We've got 49 Blue Dogs, maybe 61 after the election," said Rep. Mike Ross of Arkansas. "We don't need much persuasion. We've got the votes." Earlier this month, Sen. Obama called three prominent Blue Dogs, including Rep. Ross, to reassure them of his commitment to pay-as-you-go rules, which hold that any spending increases or tax cuts must be offset by equivalent spending cuts or tax increases. He also pledged to meet with the Blue Dog leadership shortly after the election.

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The third group of Democrats could be labeled the middle-ground pragmatists. They embrace the activist agenda but are wary about going too far too fast. This camp, which includes the party's top congressional leadership, argues that Sen. Obama should move quickly on a few items with proven bipartisan support -- an economic-stimulus package, an expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program funded with a tobacco-tax increase, and funding for federal stem-cell research. They would then regroup and build bipartisan support for the new president's bigger-ticket items -- health care, energy, education and regulatory changes. Former Clinton White House Chief of Staff John Podesta, the head of Sen. Obama's transition team, is studying the missteps of Bill Clinton's first years in office to avoid a repetition of the hubris that swept Democrats from power for 12 years starting in 1994.

"We moved fast in the 103rd , and what did it get us?" Rep. Clyburn said.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, head of the House Democratic Caucus, who has discussed this pragmatic approach with the candidate, says Sen. Obama remains firmly behind his full agenda -- but is flexible on timing and pacing. "He is more than willing to have a discussion on different policies but not on whether or not we do health care and energy. That's not what he's flexible on." Senior Obama advisers say the senator has given no commitments to any of the camps. Without a chief of staff, without a formal policy apparatus to make such decisions, he can only take in the different arguments and await Election Day, they say. After that, however, he won't have the luxury to put off decisions: If elected, his budget plan will be due by early February.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122532312630982163.html (subscription)
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:30 AM
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1. I think they're about to discover that the only one really shaping ANY Obama agenda...
...is Obama himself. He listens, he evaluates, he factors in what he learns, he negotiates and accommodates sometimes, but the final strategy is Obama's and only Obama's.

He'll be nice, he'll listen intently and respectfully, he'll discuss and get clarification, and then he'll make up his mind and THAT will be the agenda.

prognosticatorially,
Bright
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:34 AM
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2. HAHAHA! Good luck with that, guys.
Fools.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:52 AM
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3. He better listen to Group One
People are voting to get big things done. To hell with the damn Blue Dogs.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:34 AM
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4. Here's a suggestion
Why don't you follow his lead and shut the fuck up for a while. Y'all don't deserve to set the agenda anymore. You didn't lead, so follow or get out of the way.
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angryfirelord Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 07:14 PM
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5. Doesn't matter who leads...
...because the buck stops at the President. At the end, Obama will be the final judgment of what legislation is passed and what is rejected.
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11vie Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:50 AM
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6. RE: Democrats Vie to Shape an Obama Legislative Agenda Posted by question everything
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 04:51 AM by 11vie
wonderful! thanks for the info..
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