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jfkraus Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:45 PM
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A liberal is...
A right-wing friend's quote...

"I ran across a notebook from my Grandfather: 'A liberal is someone who loves his fellow man... ... and hates all those who don't feel the same way...'"

and my reply...

"A conservative is someone who loves only himself...and hates all those who don't feel the same way."


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:55 PM
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1. Good comeback
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ffellini7080 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:32 PM
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2. hahahaha
Fantastic comeback dude.
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derekabraham Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:12 PM
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3. ...
So true. :D
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:17 PM
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4. ...hopelessly outnumbered.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:23 PM
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5. Heh
Good one - K&R for that.
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reverend roy Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:45 PM
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6. Haha
So true!
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:51 AM
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7. A Couple More:
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

-- James Kenneth Galbraith


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

— John Stuart Mill


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clarence swinney Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 12:09 PM
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8. PAYS HIS WAY
tax & spend is raise revenue to pay your way
spend and borrow let kids pay tomorrow

1980=1000B of Debt
1980=600B Budget

20 years "conservative presidents"

11,500B of Debt 4000B of spending for 2009 Fiscal year of Bush Budget

deduct about 100B for obama stimulus

what a conservative group?

Cut government=biggest increase in history

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:32 AM
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Ukonkivi Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-08-09 08:10 AM
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10. Uncommon knowledge: Republican = Liberal
Edited on Tue Dec-08-09 08:11 AM by Ukonkivi
A liberal is a person who believes in Liberty.

Honestly, the Republican party uses this term WAYY too much synonymously with the concept of Social Liberalism.
Most Republicans are Liberals to some degree. They're far too Capitalist to not be considered liberals.

Subject/Post edited for a better header.
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dcsmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:02 PM
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11. nice
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Ihaterush Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-10-10 03:13 PM
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12. Every heard about the cows
My civics teacher told me somthing like this but the jokes were about cows.
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ONE PUNCH Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-14-10 04:47 PM
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13. agreed
VERY TRUE,...
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dawgSib Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-04-10 05:47 PM
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14. one more...
Good One!

I tend to think of George Will as a relatively rational, pragmatic conservative. More thoughtful & intelligent than hateful. Anyway he had a similar definition on 'This Week' a while back.

"A conservative loves freedom more than fairness. A liberal loves fairness more than freedom."
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cadeyrn Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 12:30 PM
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15. So True
Edited on Wed Apr-07-10 12:30 PM by cadeyrn
When you have "freedom" (read- no taxes) taking precedence over fairness ( helping our fellow man- as the Good Book admonishes) then you have basically made a case for selfishness over compassion.
Doesn't really seem like a family value.
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David West Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 09:16 PM
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18. Not everyone who is anti-tax is selfish and heartless.
In fact, I'm anti-tax because I view coercion as the very opposite of compassion. Just because I'm against taxes doesn't mean I'm against private charity.
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MarshalltheIrish Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-15-10 02:35 AM
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16. John Lorenz, I think, puts it most satisfyingly
Progressives tend to deal more likely with facts, things that require education to think about them, curiosity of intellect and innovative research. The American public in its majority has been anti-intellectual for centuries, as evidenced by the quote from H.L. Menken, “nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public” And that is why books such as "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life" by Richard Hostettler have been written. It is a longstanding, documented phenomenon that stupidity sells and intellectual pursuits are more limited to better educated, more intelligent seekers. So liberals tend to be better educated, more intellectually honest and investigative, and have a greater sense of compassion and social justice (fairness). .


Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to be reactionary and bound up with rigid traditions. Hence they tend to be authoritarian, wanting to dictate to others or have a polarizing leader dictate to them, what is moral, who the country’s enemies are and what social policies they should accept or reject. They want to be told what to believe by alpha-reactionaries. Conservatives also tend to be much less intellectual in their personal beliefs, tastes and politics. They tend to hate intellectuals and imply they are either seditious or effeminate. Conservatives, rather than social fairness or personal compassion, tend to look down their noses at people they consider to be inferior to their ideal of selfish profit taking, arrogant mean spiritidness, reactionary patriot baiting, politically disingenuous sloganeering and elitist, anti-poor put down of the lower classes as somehow lazy and taking money away from people who ‘work hard’ (which of course is the opposite of the truth). Conservatives opt for emotionalism, selfish pursuit of money for its own sake, anti-minority elitism and hatred of anyone who doesn’t share their prejudices. They tend to be characterized by moralizing and are often blind to their own guilt, thus also engaging in rank hypocrisy and smug self-righteousness. These emotions and defects tend to prevail among conservatives. And that is why Rush Limbaugh and people like him have such a rich field to mine. There is plenty they can do to whip up such sentiments. It takes no intellect, no fairness, no integrity and no truth to appeal to a right winger.
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pgarrison Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 07:27 AM
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17. lol
Good one
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martinojacko Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:58 AM
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19. A liberal is a person who cares for others
Especially the poor and less fortunate. that's my definition.
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marketbreakaway Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-10 05:15 AM
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20. Liberals vs Libertarians
Personal Freedom is the exact opposite of Collectivism.

National health care is collectivist and is thus the opposite
of personal freedom.

Cap and Trade is a collectivist attempt to control carbon
emissions for the greater good and thus is the opposite of
personal freedom.

Chinese child birth regulations; global control of
chlorofluorocarbons, the clean water act, regulation of tail
pipe emissions, anti-discrimination laws are all examples of
the collectivist controlling central authority restricting
personal freedom in favor of a collectivist good.

The problem comes when there is not general agreement on when
crimping personal freedom is justified.

Examples?

There are some who believe that the drug abuse laws in the US
do more to create criminals than control them.  Therefore the
collectivist good would be better served by increasing
personal freedom.

How about immigration?  There are those who believe that the
collectivist good is better served by very tight control of
the border but also served by very loose immigration laws.  

How about unions?  There are those who believe that being
forced into a collectivist organization like a union is the
loss of a personal freedom that, in the long run, hurts the
collectivist good of the country.

It seems to me that liberals who want their own personal
collectivist agenda to be made law are willing to sacrifice my
personal freedom for their agenda.  I consider that the path
to totalitarianism.

Does that make me conservative?  Does that make me
libertarian?  Should my credentials as a Democrat be revoked?

Sorry, but the Obama/Pelosi/Reid show has me very scared. 
Once we had the hated wars and economic mismanagement of the
Bush administration.  Now we have the hated wars, extreme
economic mismanagement plus a HUGE threat to our freedom.
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TexanRudeBoy Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:29 PM
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21. Sensible Liberalism
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Fuerfrei Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 04:37 PM
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22. That's not true.
Liberals and Conservatives BOTH love their fellow men.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 08:53 PM
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23. Funny how some threads just lure them in.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 09:52 PM
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liberaltalkingpoints Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:59 PM
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25. Not bad, but there is more to it than that.
Please read my Liberal Maxims to help define the principles held dear by liberals.

LiberalTalkingPoints

Regards,
Joe Blunt
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